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#3016776 - 11/05/12 10:58 AM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: BMan]
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#3016856 - 11/05/12 12:09 PM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: ]
BMan
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 Originally Posted By: Tony(D)
Most companies I have been involved with use Union workers at some point. These are some of this state's largest employers and some are NON UNION as well. That alone goes against the thought that Unions just drive up cost.
The companies use Union because of their trades and because of their flexibility. This is a big plus for companies that want good work done and done on time. Not saying non Union can't compare on some levels but overall Unions must be doing something right if these big name companies are using them as much as they do.

That must explain why the steel and textile industries are doing so well in this country.

Oh, THAT'S RIGHT, they've virtually shut down due to high union cost for low productivity.

HISTORY proves they drive up cost; all the spin on earth can't change that fact.
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#3016890 - 11/05/12 12:33 PM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: BMan]
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 Originally Posted By: BMan

That must explain why the steel and textile industries are doing so well in this country.

Oh, THAT'S RIGHT, they've virtually shut down due to high union cost for low productivity.

HISTORY proves they drive up cost; all the spin on earth can't change that fact.


It also explains why there's no NHL season this year. \:\)
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#3017033 - 11/05/12 01:47 PM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Tony(D)
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Tony(D)
Most companies I have been involved with use Union workers at some point. These are some of this state's largest employers and some are NON UNION as well. That alone goes against the thought that Unions just drive up cost.
The companies use Union because of their trades and because of their flexibility. This is a big plus for companies that want good work done and done on time. Not saying non Union can't compare on some levels but overall Unions must be doing something right if these big name companies are using them as much as they do.

That must explain why the steel and textile industries are doing so well in this country.

Oh, THAT'S RIGHT, they've virtually shut down due to high union cost for low productivity.

HISTORY proves they drive up cost; all the spin on earth can't change that fact.





There is much more to the decline of both the textile and steel industries than organized labor. It is very easy to say that Unions were the cause but if anyone did their homework on this subject they would find plenty of blame to go around from lack of innovative technological advancements to lackluster management practices and blind eyes to what the world was doing.
Homework skills are lacking.

Isn't that odd. The unions are always bashing businesses moving jobs overseas to save money; but you say that's not it.

You're right, your homework skills ARE lacking. May want to check in with the union steward and get the right talking points.

As I said before - and it is uncontestable FACT - HISTORY proves unions drive up cost. Bob and weave as you may, you can't change the truth.
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#3017363 - 11/05/12 04:58 PM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Tony(D)
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Tony(D)
Most companies I have been involved with use Union workers at some point. These are some of this state's largest employers and some are NON UNION as well. That alone goes against the thought that Unions just drive up cost.
The companies use Union because of their trades and because of their flexibility. This is a big plus for companies that want good work done and done on time. Not saying non Union can't compare on some levels but overall Unions must be doing something right if these big name companies are using them as much as they do.

That must explain why the steel and textile industries are doing so well in this country.

Oh, THAT'S RIGHT, they've virtually shut down due to high union cost for low productivity.

HISTORY proves they drive up cost; all the spin on earth can't change that fact.





There is much more to the decline of both the textile and steel industries than organized labor. It is very easy to say that Unions were the cause but if anyone did their homework on this subject they would find plenty of blame to go around from lack of innovative technological advancements to lackluster management practices and blind eyes to what the world was doing.
Homework skills are lacking.


No, comprehension skills are missing. Unions are a front for socialism, communism. You, and your dues are just the tools to accomplish their agenda. I've worked around unions for 25 years, and am not too blind to see what they stand for.
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#3017406 - 11/05/12 05:24 PM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: ]
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Can one of you Pro-Union guys please explain to me how market recovery works and exactly why it is needed?

Thank you.
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#3017414 - 11/05/12 05:29 PM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Tony(D)
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Tony(D)
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Tony(D)
Most companies I have been involved with use Union workers at some point. These are some of this state's largest employers and some are NON UNION as well. That alone goes against the thought that Unions just drive up cost.
The companies use Union because of their trades and because of their flexibility. This is a big plus for companies that want good work done and done on time. Not saying non Union can't compare on some levels but overall Unions must be doing something right if these big name companies are using them as much as they do.

That must explain why the steel and textile industries are doing so well in this country.

Oh, THAT'S RIGHT, they've virtually shut down due to high union cost for low productivity.

HISTORY proves they drive up cost; all the spin on earth can't change that fact.





There is much more to the decline of both the textile and steel industries than organized labor. It is very easy to say that Unions were the cause but if anyone did their homework on this subject they would find plenty of blame to go around from lack of innovative technological advancements to lackluster management practices and blind eyes to what the world was doing.
Homework skills are lacking.

Isn't that odd. The unions are always bashing businesses moving jobs overseas to save money; but you say that's not it.

You're right, your homework skills ARE lacking. May want to check in with the union steward and get the right talking points.

As I said before - and it is uncontestable FACT - HISTORY proves unions drive up cost. Bob and weave as you may, you can't change the truth.





"..you can't change the truth."

I just did.

LOL. This from the guy who says Dick Morris is a conservative. Your above line now ranks as expose' #2.
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#3017775 - 11/05/12 08:18 PM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Tony(D)
Most companies I have been involved with use Union workers at some point. These are some of this state's largest employers and some are NON UNION as well. That alone goes against the thought that Unions just drive up cost.
The companies use Union because of their trades and because of their flexibility. This is a big plus for companies that want good work done and done on time. Not saying non Union can't compare on some levels but overall Unions must be doing something right if these big name companies are using them as much as they do.


Flexibility? What are you talking about? Unions are the most inflexible and inefficient work forces on earth. There are endless rules, restrictions, and stipulations when working with unions and I can assure you that none of them have to do with getting the job done efficiently. Work done on time with unions? Surely you jest. There are countless examples of exactly the opposite. Start with any public construction project and go from there.

Unions and union-friendly labor laws are crushing Europe economically. I know - I work for a global company with headquarters in France and we may not make it because our union contracts and the union-friendly European labor laws won't allow management to get our cost structure in line with the business. Don't believe me? Watch the news. Greece, Spain, Portugal, France, Italy - all in a economic death spirals due to public sector unions.

How may US airlines have gone into bankruptcy in large part because of their unsustainable union contracts? I've lost track. GM, Chrysler, Hostess (yes, the Twinkie company) the States of California and Illinois - all sent into bankruptcy or an economic abyss by their union contracts.

I work with several clients that have unionized work forces. They would get rid of the union tomorrow if they could. Likewise, my clients without non-union work forces will do anything they can to keep the unions out.

AT&T and Verizon just went to war with their unions. They must really love them. On a related note, let me tell you about the ridiculous experience I had when the AT&T union guy showed up to connect my phone service to my new house a few years ago. I ended up doing half the job myself because he wouldn't finish the job. He said I needed to call AT&T and request a second house call because he wasn't able to run the cable to my house AND also screw the wires to the connectors in the box because that would cost the union an extra job. I went to my garage and got a screwdriver and proceeded to connect the wires myself right in front of him. He told me to stop and I told him to get off my property. I have so many stories like this from working with unions in the telecommunications industry over the years. I have no use for today's unions. In my opinion, their motto ought to be "minimum work for maximum pay".

My next truck will be a Toyota Tundra built by non-union American workers in Texas (a right to work state).
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#3018019 - 11/06/12 12:42 AM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Tony(D)
"..I can assure you that none of them have to do with getting the job done efficiently"

Then what do you attribute their using Union workers? Surely you must know the reasoning behind some of why the companies chose Union to either build their assets or to staff them since you have an "assurance."


What are you talking about? These companies don't have a choice. These unions organized years ago and their existence is protected by labor laws and the NLRB. If the unions weren't protected these companies would dismiss them tomorrow. Walmart has been fighting for the past several years to keep outside unions from organizing Walmart workers. AT&T and Verizon would break their unions tomorrow if they could. No company says to their employees - "hey, why don't you unionize because that would be great for our business". I am currently working with two clients that are both fed up with their union labor forces and are skirting the rules to hire outside contractors to get the job done efficiently and at a competitive cost. The unions at both companies have filed complaints with the NLRB.

I am not aware of one company that wouldn't rejoice if they could get their workforce out of whatever union they're in.
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#3018283 - 11/06/12 07:55 AM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: Vermin93]
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Flexibility? What are you talking about? Unions are the most inflexible and inefficient work forces on earth. There are endless rules, restrictions, and stipulations when working with unions and I can assure you that none of them have to do with getting the job done efficiently.



Agreed.

Much the same with government.
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