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#3016254 - 11/05/12 02:15 AM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: BMan]
TITANSFAN2104
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Tar12
I have worked both union and non-union over the years and I am currently working union as a Teamster.I have seen people fired in a non union shop just because someone did not like somebody..that is BS. I have seen people hired in and make more money than someone who is equally skilled because he is dating the owners daughter..more BS. It is a historical fact that the wages are driven down in right to work states. Who does this benefit? The employers only is who.How can you argue against a better life and better wages,health care,benefits, and working conditions? Excuse me if I do not understand your logic on this...please explain.....

Maybe you can explain the "fairness" in the dead weight getting paid more than the harder workers who don't have seniority.

THAT's BS. And that's why unions are destructive. They protect the unworthy at the expense of the worthy.

And there's no way you can spin that.

Actually non union promotes this even more than a union. Buddy system works in non union whereas it doesn't in a union shop. Is it right that in a non union that your best friend/family member is boss and let's you get away with murder while putting more of a work load on others and giving them no option but to do it or be fired?? Wal mart is a prime example, for those who know or have family that work there know exactly what I mean. They would greatly benefit from a union as they are treated like dirt. A union is nothing more than q system of checks and balances. You do your job and I do mine,if you can't then you and only you suffer the consequence. Non union will place the burden on other employees without hesitation especially if its their buddy getting out of the work !!
It's amazing how many here don't have a clue what a union does or how the.business of a union is conducted yet they preach against them. O was gonna JUst withdraw from this conversation but the fighting side of me can't JUst sit back and read all the ignorance spewed over this topic.
The best thing any of you can do if you have never worked in,around or with a union is quit advertising your stupidity and stick with whatever it is you "think" you do best because JUst by reading this thread there are only a couple who even have the slightest idea as to how a union works.

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#3016282 - 11/05/12 05:09 AM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: BMan]
Tar12
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Tar12
I have worked both union and non-union over the years and I am currently working union as a Teamster.I have seen people fired in a non union shop just because someone did not like somebody..that is BS. I have seen people hired in and make more money than someone who is equally skilled because he is dating the owners daughter..more BS. It is a historical fact that the wages are driven down in right to work states. Who does this benefit? The employers only is who.How can you argue against a better life and better wages,health care,benefits, and working conditions? Excuse me if I do not understand your logic on this...please explain.....

Maybe you can explain the "fairness" in the dead weight getting paid more than the harder workers who don't have seniority.

THAT's BS. And that's why unions are destructive. They protect the unworthy at the expense of the worthy.

And there's no way you can spin that.

What union shop was is it that you worked at that allows dead weight to stay on? I do not know about other union shops but if you do not perform your duties where I work you are GONE PERIOD!The only dead weight we have is in our non-union management!They can screw up day after day(and they do)and they keep their jobs be damned! No spin here just facts...

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#3016313 - 11/05/12 05:46 AM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: Tar12]
BMan
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 Originally Posted By: Tar12
What union shop was is it that you worked at that allows dead weight to stay on? I do not know about other union shops but if you do not perform your duties where I work you are GONE PERIOD!

Priceless! Delusional, but priceless nonetheless.

I'll give you just one example of first-hand experience with the dead weight effect. First job out of HS, union shop at a manufacturing plant. "Rate" was 33 runs per 8 hours. While I was still TRAINING I was turning out over 40 runs/8 hours with fewer rejects than the "experienced" old timers.

Our shift - 3rd shift, all new guys who didn't understand that unions stood for doing as little as possible and holding the company hostage - started running 45+ consistently and were threatened by the other two shifts.

What were you saying about dead weight?
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#3016314 - 11/05/12 05:50 AM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: TITANSFAN2104]
BMan
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 Originally Posted By: TITANSFAN2104
Actually non union promotes this even more than a union. Buddy system works in non union whereas it doesn't in a union shop.

Do you really believe that? If so, you need a good dose of reality.

Inequity exists everywhere - and unions are just as bad as non-union. Ever throw for a job and the guy who gets it was less worthy than you? Happens every day, doesn't it - but that's too inconvenient for you union drones to admit.

Stupidity is blindly supporting a union who is supposed to make things better, but only lines the pockets of those at the top while they screw the members and the employer. Time for you to put on your big boy undies and accept a few realities of life.
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#3016340 - 11/05/12 06:26 AM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: Tar12]
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 Originally Posted By: Tar12
What union shop was is it that you worked at that allows dead weight to stay on?


IBEW 558 at TVA Muscle Shoals, AL. It always has and always will.
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#3016379 - 11/05/12 06:43 AM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: BMan]
TITANSFAN2104
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: TITANSFAN2104
Actually non union promotes this even more than a union. Buddy system works in non union whereas it doesn't in a union shop.

Do you really believe that? If so, you need a good dose of reality.

Inequity exists everywhere - and unions are just as bad as non-union. Ever throw for a job and the guy who gets it was less worthy than you? Happens every day, doesn't it - but that's too inconvenient for you union drones to admit.

Stupidity is blindly supporting a union who is supposed to make things better, but only lines the pockets of those at the top while they screw the members and the employer. Time for you to put on your big boy undies and accept a few realities of life.

... Seriously...stupidity is defined by your above comment. Like I said the union does make things better where I'm at. JUst look at what you said, the stuff you describe is more rampant in a non union plant. Usually the one that is less worthy always gets the job in a non union simply because of the buddy system whereas if it is a contracted union job ,it goes to the person with the most seniority. What's not right about that ?? You do know a union contract is set forth by the employer and agreed upon by both parties?? So how is the employer getting screwed other than being held accountable for their part of the bargaining agreement ??

.....and have a inferiority complex because you can't make a grown man/woman scared for their job?? I see that all the time and its a humbling experience for bosses to walk through the door thinking they are god then to realize it doesn't work that way. Talk to us as people and not looking down on your employees will get you somewhere. And some people like you can't stand to be thought of as on the same level as someone else. Hope you don't with pro sports cause every one of those guys are union but I guess they don't deserve the money they make as well??

.......You need to open your eyes and do more homework or maybe talk face to face with union members and the way it operates before you get on here making accusations and claiming that you know anything about a union. I could sit here and argue on the internet all day but i don't have time to drive any common sense into your thick skull seeing as that would probably be impossible given your lack of reason or ability to even come with a response that has any legitimate reasoning.


Edited by Crappie Luck (11/05/12 06:53 AM)
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#3016388 - 11/05/12 06:47 AM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: TITANSFAN2104]
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the concepts of a union does not fit witghin the guidelines of a free enterprise system. never has, never will. it turns 10 dollar an hour workers (based on education and skill) into 30.00 an hour workers that the companies (or now tax payers) are forced to pay. they must go. come on romney!
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#3016389 - 11/05/12 06:47 AM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: TITANSFAN2104]
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A union is a "buddy system." No way around that, that's why they call it "brotherhood".
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#3016395 - 11/05/12 06:49 AM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: W C]
TITANSFAN2104
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 Originally Posted By: W C
 Originally Posted By: Tar12
What union shop was is it that you worked at that allows dead weight to stay on?


IBEW 558 at TVA Muscle Shoals, AL. It always has and always will.
unfortunately you do have some of that but I can promise you there are ways of relieving that dead weight if your bosses wanted to. We have dead weight in our facilities as well but as I said earlier , if they ain't doing there job there are more than one way to process and get something done. If that not he case then it sounds like the employer wasnt smart enough to have an escalation process for disciplinary processes. What was your job title at IBEW 558 ??

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#3016410 - 11/05/12 06:54 AM Re: NJ union thugs turn help away [Re: Wildcat]
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[quote=Wildcat]A union is a "buddy system." No way around that, that's why they call it "brotherhood". [/quote
And my question is... How is a non union not more beneficial of the buddy system. Come on guys show that you have somewhat of an education. A lot these comments have no foundation other than its something you have heard or read. Saying a union is a buddy system is again..ignorant. it doesn't matter who your buddies with, you get a job based on your seniority alone and what you make is set forth and agreed upon by BOTH parties. So because the union makes the company good to their side of the contract they are the bad guys all of a sudden.

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