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#3009572 - 10/31/12 04:29 PM Re: Ridge top plots [Re: BSK]
Quailman
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
How would we plant in fall without breaking ground? A grain drill will not penetrate the ground's surface.


Glad you asked!! It just so happens that I have been experimenting over the last month with a couple of scenarios for planting fall plots without tillage and without no-till planters.

It will take me a few days to get some pics and explain what I did, but so far the results have been very promising.
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#3009584 - 10/31/12 04:42 PM Re: Ridge top plots [Re: Quailman]
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Sounds fascinating Quailman. Can't wait to hear more about it.

For years we just broadcast seed right onto unbroken ground. It worked--sort of. The smaller the seed, the better the germination (such as clover or brassicas), but anything with a seed larger than a cereal grain experienced very low germination rates.
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#3009595 - 10/31/12 04:58 PM Re: Ridge top plots [Re: BSK]
smstone22
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I have a dandy plot this year that was done by letting the weeds get up to about 3-4 feet high and thick, broadcasting my seed into the living vegetation(without any mowing), then applying a high volume of 2 qt/acre of glyphosate on the high weeds. Weeds die down on top of seed, provides mulch, helps with moisture retention, etc. I call it the dirty plot.
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#3009602 - 10/31/12 05:13 PM Re: Ridge top plots [Re: smstone22]
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Interesting smstone22. I wonder if it would work with grasses, as my plots often fill in with a dense growth of foxtail in late summer.
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#3009608 - 10/31/12 05:19 PM Re: Ridge top plots [Re: BSK]
smstone22
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I dont see why not as long as you kill them but my situation is mostly broadleaf weeds. It just takes more water in the sprayer to get good coverage. Another advantage to doing it this way is that with all of that mess in the field and mess falling down on the seeds it makes it alot harder for turkey to steal very much seed because it is well hidden unlike in a mowing situation.
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#3009756 - 10/31/12 07:42 PM Re: Ridge top plots [Re: smstone22]
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 Originally Posted By: smstone22
I dont see why not as long as you kill them but my situation is mostly broadleaf weeds. It just takes more water in the sprayer to get good coverage. Another advantage to doing it this way is that with all of that mess in the field and mess falling down on the seeds it makes it alot harder for turkey to steal very much seed because it is well hidden unlike in a mowing situation.
That sounds like a good plan,most of my stuff is grasses too.Hate feeding turkeys.
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#3010121 - 11/01/12 05:06 AM Re: Ridge top plots [Re: Football Hunter]
richmanbarbeque
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Some of my past best plots have been from a harrow on the 4-wheeler just scratching the ground. I have also done several plots with success like Steven suggested. Sometimes the less equipment we have the better.

On my place before any tilling and mowing I had vey little invasives in my plots. I find I have more unwanted grasses than ever before. I have thought about going back to the way I started. The last few years I have my dirt chiseled so I might just start leaving it alone.

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#3010179 - 11/01/12 06:14 AM Re: Ridge top plots [Re: richmanbarbeque]
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My major concern with not breaking ground is root growth. When the ground is not broken, roots can't penetrate beyond just the surface.
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#3010412 - 11/01/12 08:40 AM Re: Ridge top plots [Re: BSK]
Bayou Buck
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
My major concern with not breaking ground is root growth. When the ground is not broken, roots can't penetrate beyond just the surface.


One thing that can help with this is mixing some forage radishes and other brassica with long roots into your seed mix. The roots generally work there way below the bulb fracturing the soil.

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#3010768 - 11/01/12 11:56 AM Re: Ridge top plots [Re: Bayou Buck]
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Not only do brassica/turnip/radish bulbs grow UP out of the ground in my plots, their tap root runs horizontally 4-feet sideways an inch under the surface!
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