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#3005156 - 10/29/12 08:37 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: catman529]
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Normally, bneeches take over an area. I work so hard to kill them out, I can't imagine promoting them. They will dominate a hardwood understory and greatly reduce visibility.
man I don't know what your properties look like but anywhere in the woods I've been, I only see a few beech trees. Much more common in the understory is pawpaw, honeysuckle, privet, etc. from my personal experience. Never paid attention to the beech nuts though.


The difference is probably forest age. Beeches tend to dominate the understory in more mature hardwood stands.

The problem with beeches is they are extremely shade tolerant. They can grow in complete shade, unlike most other tree saplings. Hence, even in a complete canopy forest (no sunlight reaching the ground under the canopy), beeches can germinate and grow quite well, thus they end up growing into an entire forest underneath the much taller canopy of the tall hardwood trees. And worse yet, beeches don't lose their leaves in fall. They hold their dead leaves almost all winter. What you get is so many shorter beeches underneath the tall hardwoods that you have nearly zero visibility even from a treestand. Trust me, you don't want beeches. They are the scourge of deer hunters in more mature hardwood stands, and they aren't that important to wildlife.
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#3006749 - 10/29/12 10:13 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: catman529
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Normally, bneeches take over an area. I work so hard to kill them out, I can't imagine promoting them. They will dominate a hardwood understory and greatly reduce visibility.
man I don't know what your properties look like but anywhere in the woods I've been, I only see a few beech trees. Much more common in the understory is pawpaw, honeysuckle, privet, etc. from my personal experience. Never paid attention to the beech nuts though.


The difference is probably forest age. Beeches tend to dominate the understory in more mature hardwood stands.

The problem with beeches is they are extremely shade tolerant. They can grow in complete shade, unlike most other tree saplings. Hence, even in a complete canopy forest (no sunlight reaching the ground under the canopy), beeches can germinate and grow quite well, thus they end up growing into an entire forest underneath the much taller canopy of the tall hardwood trees. And worse yet, beeches don't lose their leaves in fall. They hold their dead leaves almost all winter. What you get is so many shorter beeches underneath the tall hardwoods that you have nearly zero visibility even from a treestand. Trust me, you don't want beeches. They are the scourge of deer hunters in more mature hardwood stands, and they aren't that important to wildlife.
interesting. I have been in some old growth forest with little understory, and don't recall seeing lots of beech trees. but then I wasn't really looking for them so I may have missed something.

On the subject, here is a pic I took a couple years ago. They are definitely recognizable by the fact they hold leaves through the winter.

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#3006830 - 10/30/12 01:40 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: catman529]
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They are beautiful trees IMO and a hunter can use them for a great cover when tree stand hunting. As far as them taking over an area- I don't know about that since they are a native species and all.
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#3006858 - 10/30/12 04:56 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: Carlos Viagra]
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 Originally Posted By: Carlos Viagra
They are beautiful trees IMO and a hunter can use them for a great cover when tree stand hunting.


If they are rare individual trees.


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As far as them taking over an area- I don't know about that since they are a native species and all.


Ultimately, beeches are the final climax forest species. If you let a hardwood forest go for a couple hundred years, it will become dominated by beeches. As the oldest oaks die of old age and open a hole in the canopy, beeches already dominate the understory and sunlight cannot reach the ground to allow oak sapling regeneration.
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#3007046 - 10/30/12 07:59 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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Very interesting info BSK!
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#3007187 - 10/30/12 09:46 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: Carlos Viagra]
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Yep,they are everywhere at my place,there is almost nowhere on 670+- acres you cant see MANY
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#3007198 - 10/30/12 09:52 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: Football Hunter]
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I eat the little nuts like sunflower seeds. I have some huge ones on my place. I dont think I would ever plant them though.
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#3009085 - 10/31/12 11:04 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: Bayou Buck]
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One property I hunt has a large area dominated by them. As BSK described, the understory is THICK with the buggers, and they won't clear out due to leaf retention.

A few years ago I went crazy on them with a hand saw, and cut 25 or so out of a small area just to open the area up enough to create a few shooting lanes.

The mature beeches are HUGE, and would probably require a ton of effort to remove. I suppose girdling them would do the job, but due to the trees' size, I'm not sure how great that would be in terms of totally blocking off walking access around those beasts.
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#3009361 - 10/31/12 02:11 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: Crosshairy]
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Injecting beeches with Arsenal will kill them.
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#3009374 - 10/31/12 02:17 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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Ive killed a few big ones with double girdling. A single girdle did not work for me. Even double girdling took 3 years to kill.
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