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#3006833 - 10/30/12 02:32 AM CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for.
XMAN
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Listen to the old saying,we have 3 of these that are rusting within 24hrs. of cleaning. one been shot 2x and now doesn't close back everytime you try to breech it. Hammer doesn't always cock,got to slam it closed to get the hammer to cock!!But the rusting is something i've never seen. No good to talk to cva,thier the only ones who have ever cleaned a gun before. funny thing is they sure going out of thier way NOT to give me a number for the CEO. You can clean these 3 guns and 24hrs later they are growing hair. Had a guy to tell me that he has to clean his,then clean it before he goes hunting. And has to shoot it everytime he hunts because it can't be left loaded no time at all. Hell i remember leaving the old muskets loaded for weeks and never a problem at all. But it's like i said...you get what you pay for and i took the CHEAP way out.
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#3006854 - 10/30/12 04:48 AM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: XMAN]
mike243
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Never seen a gun rust that was cleaned & oiled.maybe need drying out with a hair dryer before appling oil would help
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#3007012 - 10/30/12 07:30 AM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: mike243]
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I left my CVA loaded for 4 or 5 months last year after hunting. Finally got around to shooting it bis summer and there was not any rust in it.
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#3007087 - 10/30/12 08:41 AM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: TWVOLS]
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Hate to hear that. I've only heard good things from them before.
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#3007169 - 10/30/12 09:36 AM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: BigD_625]
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First bad thing I've heard about them
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#3007200 - 10/30/12 09:53 AM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: easy45]
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great guns, poor cleaning IMO if they rust up the way yours has. Ive had mine going on 3 years and never any rust issues. Take a look at your cleaning/oil protection products before blaming the gun.
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#3007206 - 10/30/12 09:58 AM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: FrontierGander]
BigD_625
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I see people that swear by Rem oil. I had issues with guns rusting after using as a protectant. I use Break Free CLP now, and I haven't had any more problems. The stuff has an odor, though...I'll stay off the topic of scents for a while.
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#3007466 - 10/30/12 01:07 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: BigD_625]
wayers
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my wolf does get rusty quick but never had any of the other troubles you mentioned
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#3008178 - 10/30/12 08:18 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: wayers]
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i never oil any muzzleloaders i have, clen with good ole hoppes and never have a problem only clean them once after the season an dont touch them until following season, i believe some just need to learn how to clean gun
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#3008229 - 10/30/12 08:36 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: knightrider]
Killing time
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Just buy a Knight, lol. I used to see recall ads for CVA, in the back of Outdoor Life and Field and Stream every time i picked up an issue. Have 2 Knights, and never had an issue in 14 years.
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#3008283 - 10/30/12 09:04 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: BigD_625]
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 Originally Posted By: BigD_625
I see people that swear by Rem oil. I had issues with guns rusting after using as a protectant.


I've had the same experience using Rem Oil in a couple of my muzzleloaders. I had bought one with a rusty and pitted bore. After cleaning it and using Rem Oil I kept finding rust on the patches afterwards. I thought maybe it's pulling rust out of the pits that were in the bore. I found out otherwise when I used it on a rifle that had no rust in the bore at all, as a protectant
it doesn't work for me.

I don't know why I even tried it when Hoppe's #9 was working so well.
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#3008364 - 10/30/12 10:13 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: TennesseeJed]
FrontierGander
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use jb bore paste and follow up with montana xtreme bore conditioner.
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#3008392 - 10/30/12 10:35 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: FrontierGander]
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CVA Accura...no rust issues
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#3008488 - 10/31/12 01:46 AM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: UTGrad]
XMAN
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i've cleaned a many of them and never this problem,and yes i use hoppes to. rusts after 24hrs. done the boiling water clean to. Maybe i just need one of you pros to show me something i have't tried in the past 32 years.
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#3009172 - 10/31/12 12:08 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: XMAN]
FrontierGander
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if you are using pyrodex or t7 you need to clean with soapy water, dry patch, use some carb cleaner or alcohol swab the bore to remove all traces of moisture and then oil. Dont use bore butter crap.

Maybe you need to be thankful for the help rather than being hard headed.

Do the jb bore paste to remove all traces of rust/corrosion and then oil it good.

where is the gun stored?

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#3009174 - 10/31/12 12:09 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: XMAN]
Tenn.Guy
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Had a CVA Optima pro nickle barrel. Forgot to clean it at the end of the season next year only had a couple small pits. That was my fault. I am very maticulous at cleaning them, however I thought I had.

Have a CVA Accura stainless no problems notta. Best shooter so far.

As far as a pro and something you havent tried, how about a bore snake to make sure it is extra dry out after cleaning.

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#3010114 - 11/01/12 05:01 AM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: FrontierGander]
XMAN
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 Originally Posted By: FrontierGander
great guns, poor cleaning IMO if they rust up the way yours has. Ive had mine going on 3 years and never any rust issues. Take a look at your cleaning/oil protection products before blaming the gun.



Maybe if you didn't come across as a smart... i wouldn't be a hard head. just saying your aproach is non to wanting,if you cant say it nicely just don't bother to say it at all.

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#3010213 - 11/01/12 06:48 AM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: FrontierGander]
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[quote=FrontierGander]if you are using pyrodex or t7 you need to clean with soapy water, dry patch, use some carb cleaner or alcohol swab the bore to remove all traces of moisture and then oil.[quote]

And the reason you use water is that pyrodex and t7 contain potassium chlorate which is water soluble. Regular solvents will not remove it. This compound will hide in the very pores of your barrel's bore and it reacts quite readily, in a harmful way, with steel. I've even heard some suggest muptiple cleanings over several days to assure complete removal of this stuff.

I have used pyrodex in the past but only real black powder now. For what it's worth, my cleaning is with a soapy water mix, wipe dry then douse with wd40 to displace the water, wipe out the wd40 then follow will oil. I've never had an issue with rust following this procedure.
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#3010287 - 11/01/12 07:37 AM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: Wobblyshot1]
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I had a knight in-line(american knight) that had the same issues. It seemed, no matter how thorough, long or as many times I cleaned it, it still started froming small spots. I have "never" in my entire life seen a gun that horrible to keep rust off of.

I was more than glad to get rid of it on a swap deal for my TC Omega(SS) I warned the guy that took about the issue with as well, he didn't seem to care much.

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#3010560 - 11/01/12 10:02 AM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: FULLDRAWXX75]
FrontierGander
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when people are up set they tend to be stubborn and not listen to the advice they are getting.

jb bore paste it, oil it heavy and the next time you go shoot, just swab the oil out with an alcohol patch.

Ive had mine going on 3 years and never an issue.

Moisture in your area will affect things, if you have AC in your house, thats can cause issues with your guns.

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#3010715 - 11/01/12 11:35 AM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: FrontierGander]
mike243
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A ac in the house helps correct to much moisture not create moisture,fyi
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#3010805 - 11/01/12 12:15 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: mike243]
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If people would just avoid buying junk guns it would solve a lot of these issues. Wolf=junk
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#3010865 - 11/01/12 12:50 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: wcb]
FrontierGander
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wcb= idgit

AC units rust up guns, Hot/cold = Condensation = rust

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#3010873 - 11/01/12 12:55 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: FrontierGander]
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You obviously don't know what you are talking about. If you are heating and cooling your house in a manner to create enough condensation to rust up a gun then you have more problems then your gun rusting.
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#3010875 - 11/01/12 12:57 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: wcb]
FrontierGander
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guns are sensitive.

Keep them oiled if you live in a high humidity area. I know my brother in laws ac unit rusted up his guns, he had to put a block of gel in his gun safe to help keep it down.



Edited by FrontierGander (11/01/12 01:07 PM)

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#3010885 - 11/01/12 01:00 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: FrontierGander]
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Clean your Muzzleloaders regardless of powder and keep them oiled.
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#3011004 - 11/01/12 02:07 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: wcb]
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 Originally Posted By: wcb
If people would just avoid buying junk guns it would solve a lot of these issues. Wolf=junk
It don't matter if you buy a the most expensive black powder muzzleloader out there,if you don't clean it right,its gonna rust/corrode up...
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#3011023 - 11/01/12 02:17 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: Killing time]
Backstrapcrazy
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I have two cva 's for 5 years now , and have never had any problems mechanic or rust . I keep them in safe with a drier, i would not buy anything else.
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#3011045 - 11/01/12 02:31 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: Killing time]
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We have 2 of them I so far after a couple years still no problems.
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#3011052 - 11/01/12 02:33 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: cecil30-30]
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 Originally Posted By: cecil30-30
 Originally Posted By: wcb
If people would just avoid buying junk guns it would solve a lot of these issues. Wolf=junk
It don't matter if you buy a the most expensive black powder muzzleloader out there,if you don't clean it right,its gonna rust/corrode up...


If I had a Wolf and it rusted up I would just throw it away. Some guns are lower maintenance than others. I don't understand why some just don't spend a couple more dollars and get the Optima with stainless steel and have a way better gun.

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#3011107 - 11/01/12 03:05 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: wcb]
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SS rusts to if not cared for.
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#3011116 - 11/01/12 03:12 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: wcb]
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I just bought a cva wolf myself its a oka gun personally i dont like it has way to much kick but it is a light gun it does not like the power belts the group sucks i went and bought some hornday sst and way better groups now i shot it about 8 times with triple 777 and cleaned it put it up for 2 days and it started rusting so i boiled some very very hot water and put alot of soap in it and cleanes it very good i was very surprised how much junk was still in it so i cleaned it again very very hot soapy water then put bore butter in it let it set and cool off patched it out realy good and went and bought some white hots and shot it and it has not rusted yet but i clean it after ever shot now this gun shots amazing groups for the size of the barrel still wished i would have saved alittle more money and got a ss optima
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#3011137 - 11/01/12 03:27 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: serriaman07]
FrontierGander
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777 is a filthy powder, got to swab between each shot with it and clean it at the end of the day.
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#3011240 - 11/01/12 04:42 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: FrontierGander]
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 Originally Posted By: FrontierGander
777 is a filthy powder, got to swab between each shot with it and clean it at the end of the day.


I'll go along with that.
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#3011294 - 11/01/12 05:18 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: FrontierGander]
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 Originally Posted By: FrontierGander
SS rusts to if not cared for.


You must of missed the one part of my post about some guns requiring less maintenance. Stainless steel requires less maintenance and will go longer without rusting, fact. Will SS rust if not taken care of, yes but it doesn't rust if you look at it wrong like some blued barrels.

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#3011324 - 11/01/12 05:28 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: wcb]
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You want to see rust buy a black mossberg 835 it will rust from dew before you get home from turkey hunting
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#3011331 - 11/01/12 05:31 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: ImThere]
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I'm not really crazy about any of the new finishes. I'm wondering why they seem to be getting away from a nice blue finish or shiny stainless steel.
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#3011464 - 11/01/12 07:00 PM Re: CVA WOLF.. Get what you pay for. [Re: FrontierGander]
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 Originally Posted By: FrontierGander
wcb= idgit

AC units rust up guns, Hot/cold = Condensation = rust


Ac units will not rust guns. They will take the moisture out of the house. Have you ever paid attention to all of the water that will run out of them on a hot humid day? That is moisture they are taking out of the air in the house. They are doing to your whole house what a dehumidifier in your safe would do.
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