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#3059122 - 12/02/12 07:04 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: Carlos Viagra]
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Having some beech is fine. Having so many that they begin to dominate the understory is when many of those beeches can go.
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#3059133 - 12/02/12 07:14 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: Carlos Viagra]
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I need to do something with the beech trees on my property. Used to have 3 stand setups here on my 36 acres and hunted according to wind direction. Now I'm unable to hunt 2 of them at all do to the undergrowth of beech trees blocking your view.. Deer continue to use the same area but to get in range you have to get in there lap now... Guess I could go in and cut them down or pick a couple of locations and hinge cut them and bend the younger ones down and tie them to make a thicket...
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#3059142 - 12/02/12 07:21 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: lpo1981]
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Just go in and cut them down. I have had to do that in several of my favorite areas. You can really whip through them with a chainsaw.
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#3059212 - 12/02/12 08:13 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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Do the saplings make a decent sanctuary or do they block too much other undergrowth? I can see gowing in and thinning in hunting areas but my new centrally located sanctuary is loaded with them.
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#3059275 - 12/02/12 09:10 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: diamond hunter]
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They don't make the best cover, but anything that limits visual range is going to increase a deer's sense of security. The best sanctuaries have very limited visibility at a deer's-eye level.
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#3060106 - 12/02/12 07:30 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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One thing Ive noticed is,the Beechs I have cut do not resprout,may be time of year,dont know.
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#3060505 - 12/02/12 10:07 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: Football Hunter]
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BSK? Does your Garlon 3A mixture work on beeches this time of the year? I figure sept/oct would be best but wasn't able to get out to do much work then.
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#3060715 - 12/03/12 07:04 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: primos32]
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 Originally Posted By: primos32
BSK? Does your Garlon 3A mixture work on beeches this time of the year? I figure sept/oct would be best but wasn't able to get out to do much work then.


Virtually no herbicides work in winter. Normally, the tree has to be actively growing for herbicides to be effective.

In winter, if the tree is too big to cut down, I would double-ring the tree with a chainsaw.
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#3063158 - 12/04/12 02:03 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Trust me, you don't want beeches. They are the scourge of deer hunters in more mature hardwood stands, and they aren't that important to wildlife.

Wow! Regional opinions can vary wildly.

I love to see a few Beech scattered throughout a woodlot. I remember one year in early Oct. I watched a doe veer off a deer trail and bee-line to the Beech I was perched in. She must have caught a whiff of the bumper crop of beechnuts we had that year laying on the forest floor. The tight Beech canopy hid me well enough to arrow her and other deer at very close range.

I would rate beechNUTSs high on the list of attractive deer foods, while Beech leaves and buds (woody browse) Iíd rate extremely low. Although, Iíve seen many times where deer repeatedly browse the root suckers in winter for whatever reason.

Iíve heard it recommended to NOT cut Am. Beech because it is such a vigorous producer of stump sprouts and root suckers that it can dominate regen of other species after cutting. And Iíve seen the wastelands (in terms of deer habitat) that result from this cutting. Thousands of acres of thick ďcoverĒ, but no good food or diversity and resultant low deer numbers. The legacy lasting for dozens of years, seemingly to never rectify itself on its own. Around here the beech brush often gets herbicided if it becomes all-encompassing right after or prior-to cutting operations.

Also, I believe acid rain contributes to Beech expanding its presence and dominance since Beech tolerates acid soils, especially on poorly buffered mountainous soils.

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#3063226 - 12/04/12 02:41 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: grundsow]
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grundsow,

A few beeches are a good thing. Turkey love beechnuts, and mature beeches providing an amazing array of holes for other wildlife to nest/live in (squirrels, woodpeckers, etc.). However, as you mentioned, beech saplings can end up dominating a hardwood forest, to the point that any timber thinning just produces a complete beech regeneration forest.

I have places on my property, even underneath 80+ year-old complete canopy white oak forests, where 80+% of of the understory is small beeches. Not only will this prevent an oak forest from regenerating if I thin the oaks, but the leaves of the beech saplings block what would normally be long-distance vision in fall. Some of these big mature hardwood forests should produce 100+ yard views after leaf-fall, but the beech hold visual ranges (at treestand height) to about 15 yards.
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