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#3003388 - 10/28/12 11:51 AM Beech trees
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Is there any benefit to wildlife from beech trees? I saw a small one with lots of beech nuts under it and was considering planting 20 or so. They are beautiful trees, but I didn't know what might eat the nuts. Acorns are scarce in my area and I was surprised that they had not been eaten. They look like a decent sized seed that would be in demand by a large variety of animals.
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#3003573 - 10/28/12 01:39 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: Swampster]
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IMO deer will eat beechnuts but they are not not a prefered food source. Turkeys on the other hand eat the heck out of them.
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#3003643 - 10/28/12 02:28 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: bigtex]
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Deer like them enough for me to focus on beech trees during muzzleloader season. I have killed many deer under beech trees.
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#3003857 - 10/28/12 05:01 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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Normally, bneeches take over an area. I work so hard to kill them out, I can't imagine promoting them. They will dominate a hardwood understory and greatly reduce visibility.
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#3003888 - 10/28/12 05:12 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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I agree with BSK
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#3004265 - 10/28/12 07:58 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: Football Hunter]
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I agree with Diehard.Here I know of two properties that contain large beech trees.The deer really hammer them after the acorns are gone.

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#3004554 - 10/28/12 09:25 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: timberjack86]
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i am going to kill mine out and plant sawtooth oaks back
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#3004708 - 10/28/12 10:33 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
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I have alot of very large beech on one of my places. Deer and turkey love them. But they are inconistent producers. Not worth much for timber and they hold onto leaves pretty long, it gets aggravating when you have beech saplings everywhere. Not very fast growing either. I do like having some large ones around though for mast sometimes and den trees.
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#3004753 - 10/28/12 11:42 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Normally, bneeches take over an area. I work so hard to kill them out, I can't imagine promoting them. They will dominate a hardwood understory and greatly reduce visibility.
man I don't know what your properties look like but anywhere in the woods I've been, I only see a few beech trees. Much more common in the understory is pawpaw, honeysuckle, privet, etc. from my personal experience. Never paid attention to the beech nuts though.
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#3005040 - 10/29/12 07:38 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: catman529]
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Beech trees are good ones to double girdle due to when they reach maturity (at least where I live)they begin to hollow out.Cutting them straight up can be dangerous.
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#3005156 - 10/29/12 08:37 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: BSK
Normally, bneeches take over an area. I work so hard to kill them out, I can't imagine promoting them. They will dominate a hardwood understory and greatly reduce visibility.
man I don't know what your properties look like but anywhere in the woods I've been, I only see a few beech trees. Much more common in the understory is pawpaw, honeysuckle, privet, etc. from my personal experience. Never paid attention to the beech nuts though.


The difference is probably forest age. Beeches tend to dominate the understory in more mature hardwood stands.

The problem with beeches is they are extremely shade tolerant. They can grow in complete shade, unlike most other tree saplings. Hence, even in a complete canopy forest (no sunlight reaching the ground under the canopy), beeches can germinate and grow quite well, thus they end up growing into an entire forest underneath the much taller canopy of the tall hardwood trees. And worse yet, beeches don't lose their leaves in fall. They hold their dead leaves almost all winter. What you get is so many shorter beeches underneath the tall hardwoods that you have nearly zero visibility even from a treestand. Trust me, you don't want beeches. They are the scourge of deer hunters in more mature hardwood stands, and they aren't that important to wildlife.
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#3006749 - 10/29/12 10:13 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
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Normally, bneeches take over an area. I work so hard to kill them out, I can't imagine promoting them. They will dominate a hardwood understory and greatly reduce visibility.
man I don't know what your properties look like but anywhere in the woods I've been, I only see a few beech trees. Much more common in the understory is pawpaw, honeysuckle, privet, etc. from my personal experience. Never paid attention to the beech nuts though.


The difference is probably forest age. Beeches tend to dominate the understory in more mature hardwood stands.

The problem with beeches is they are extremely shade tolerant. They can grow in complete shade, unlike most other tree saplings. Hence, even in a complete canopy forest (no sunlight reaching the ground under the canopy), beeches can germinate and grow quite well, thus they end up growing into an entire forest underneath the much taller canopy of the tall hardwood trees. And worse yet, beeches don't lose their leaves in fall. They hold their dead leaves almost all winter. What you get is so many shorter beeches underneath the tall hardwoods that you have nearly zero visibility even from a treestand. Trust me, you don't want beeches. They are the scourge of deer hunters in more mature hardwood stands, and they aren't that important to wildlife.
interesting. I have been in some old growth forest with little understory, and don't recall seeing lots of beech trees. but then I wasn't really looking for them so I may have missed something.

On the subject, here is a pic I took a couple years ago. They are definitely recognizable by the fact they hold leaves through the winter.

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#3006830 - 10/30/12 01:40 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: catman529]
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They are beautiful trees IMO and a hunter can use them for a great cover when tree stand hunting. As far as them taking over an area- I don't know about that since they are a native species and all.
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#3006858 - 10/30/12 04:56 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: Carlos Viagra]
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 Originally Posted By: Carlos Viagra
They are beautiful trees IMO and a hunter can use them for a great cover when tree stand hunting.


If they are rare individual trees.


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As far as them taking over an area- I don't know about that since they are a native species and all.


Ultimately, beeches are the final climax forest species. If you let a hardwood forest go for a couple hundred years, it will become dominated by beeches. As the oldest oaks die of old age and open a hole in the canopy, beeches already dominate the understory and sunlight cannot reach the ground to allow oak sapling regeneration.
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#3007046 - 10/30/12 07:59 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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Very interesting info BSK!
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#3007187 - 10/30/12 09:46 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: Carlos Viagra]
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Yep,they are everywhere at my place,there is almost nowhere on 670+- acres you cant see MANY
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#3007198 - 10/30/12 09:52 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: Football Hunter]
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I eat the little nuts like sunflower seeds. I have some huge ones on my place. I dont think I would ever plant them though.
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#3009085 - 10/31/12 11:04 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: Bayou Buck]
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One property I hunt has a large area dominated by them. As BSK described, the understory is THICK with the buggers, and they won't clear out due to leaf retention.

A few years ago I went crazy on them with a hand saw, and cut 25 or so out of a small area just to open the area up enough to create a few shooting lanes.

The mature beeches are HUGE, and would probably require a ton of effort to remove. I suppose girdling them would do the job, but due to the trees' size, I'm not sure how great that would be in terms of totally blocking off walking access around those beasts.
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#3009361 - 10/31/12 02:11 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: Crosshairy]
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Injecting beeches with Arsenal will kill them.
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#3009374 - 10/31/12 02:17 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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Ive killed a few big ones with double girdling. A single girdle did not work for me. Even double girdling took 3 years to kill.
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#3009421 - 10/31/12 02:47 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: smstone22]
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Many of what are thought to be understory beeches are Carpinus caroliniana, American Hornbeam, aka "blue beech", or "Ironwood, hold their leaves a long time, not Fagus grandiflora,American Beech.
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#3009433 - 10/31/12 02:58 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: a retrohillbilly]
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Nope, these are Fagus grandifolia, and they do hold their dead leaves most of the winter.

I do see quite a bit of Ironwood. But their trunk shape is destinctly different than American Beech.
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#3009464 - 10/31/12 03:13 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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Plenty of both out there.
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#3028563 - 11/11/12 09:59 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: Swampster]
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Deer/turkeys like them but one thing i have def. noticed about them is the sporadic prodution. Usually in our area they only produce about 1 out of every 3 to 4 years. Sawtooths would be a better investment..............imo.
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#3028965 - 11/12/12 07:57 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: Boone 58]
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Turkeys like them but sawmills dont! One thing I hate the most is walking into a patch of woods and see Beech trees that are 50 years older than the other hardwoods, high grading years ago have made this prevalent in my area.
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#3030013 - 11/12/12 05:27 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: AT Hiker]
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Appreciate the comments. I like to encourage diversity. I have only about six mature beech on 140 acres. I have already planted 500 sawtooth and 2500 other oaks. The swamp chestnut (white oak) and willow oaks are prolific and naturally occuring. I fight tooth and nail with the river birch and the box elder. I also cut as many of the ironwood as I can get to for firewood. I have an outdoor wood heating system so I feed it as much ironwood, birch, sycamore, gum, willow, and box elder as I can. It means I have to feed it more often but is preferable to cutting more desireable trees. There are also bent, broken, or crowded maple, oak, and ash I can mix up with these for heat.

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#3030057 - 11/12/12 05:42 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: Swampster]
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 Originally Posted By: Swampster
I have only about six mature beech on 140 acres.


Wow. Along my creeks, I probably have a mature beech for every acre (and 50 immature beech!).
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#3030085 - 11/12/12 05:58 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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No wonder you feel as you do about them! Along my creek it never really dries out - maybe they don't like wet feet? I know different trees grow in different areas. In middle Tennessee the hackberry is very common as well - I've never seen one in West Tennessee. I don't see as many walnut or black locust here either, though they are here.
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#3030660 - 11/13/12 06:44 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: Swampster]
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We have so many beeches in the bottoms of valleys because traditionally loggers couldn't get down in the valleys. Beeches also tend to like moister soil and shadier conditions than other hardwoods, hence most of the beeches are on the north-facing slopes, very low in topography.
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#3034871 - 11/15/12 02:36 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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so,Im guessing when the timber company comes in to select cut the lease,the Beechs will really take off?Any use for them besides aging Budweiser?
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#3034992 - 11/15/12 03:59 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: Football Hunter]
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Yup, thin the canopy and the beeches take over, shading out new oak sprouts.

I wish there was a market for the wood. The problem is, once the trees get to sawable size, they are often hollow. But if you find a good tree, beech is beautiful wood. I made a gun-rack out of beech when I was a kid in woodshop.
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#3035079 - 11/15/12 04:57 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Yup, thin the canopy and the beeches take over, shading out new oak sprouts.

I wish there was a market for the wood. The problem is, once the trees get to sawable size, they are often hollow. But if you find a good tree, beech is beautiful wood. I made a gun-rack out of beech when I was a kid in woodshop.


when I was in the sawmill business, budweiser would purchase all the beech we had in inventory for their beech wood aged beer, their process might have changed
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#3036937 - 11/16/12 07:35 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: Football Hunter]
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so,Im guessing when the timber company comes in to select cut the lease,the Beechs will really take off?Any use for them besides aging Budweiser?
Only thing I can sell them for is cross ties.
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#3042029 - 11/20/12 11:27 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
so,Im guessing when the timber company comes in to select cut the lease,the Beechs will really take off?Any use for them besides aging Budweiser?



Furniture stock. And Anheuser Busch uses alot of Beech each year.
I was a supplier to AB for 10 yrs. Another interesting fact is that beech only grows East of the Mississippi.
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#3048114 - 11/25/12 12:55 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: beechnut]
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Wow,I checked out part of a farmI recently purchased and Beech trees are all along one side of it,the land was recently cut for timber afew years ago. Many saplings and many mature trees. So do I go in and cut a few hundred of them or just leave the area alone and let it be sanctuary??What I think is funny is my 50 acres connected to this place has basically no beech trees.I will say that the saplings make nice cover and youd think a deer would feel safe in there. I think I may go in a hinge cut a few dozen and just make the place a jungle bedding area.
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#3049140 - 11/26/12 06:48 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: diamond hunter]
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Young beech do make nice visual cover, but I have so many of them, I prefer to make better cover and have less beeches! Many of my best stands locations are limited in visual range because of the massive beech understory. Drives me nuts...
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#3049184 - 11/26/12 07:35 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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Im going to search out desirable trees and hinge cut all beech about 20 feet around them. About 20 acres of that should create good thickets, browse and bedding. All large beech are getting double girdled and possibly poisoned. It will look like a war zone but the deer will love it. Then Im going to cut out a trail that zig zags down to the road that leads to my central food plot.
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#3056513 - 11/30/12 09:10 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: diamond hunter]
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around here almost every scrspe is made under the beech nut tree
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#3056908 - 11/30/12 01:15 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: diamond hunter]
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Beech equals trash imo!
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#3056957 - 11/30/12 01:44 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: Winchester]
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Some of you guys may want to rethink things, afterall every tree can't be a White Oak...;)

The American Beech Tree is a shade tolerant deciduous tree that reaches 60' at maturity. The Beech tree nut is called a beechnut". The beech trees nut contains 20% protein and feeds numerous small and large game animals including turkeys, raccoons, foxes, pheasants and deer. Beechnuts are edible in small quantities for humans but consumption of over fifty nuts can cause mild sickness.The simple leaves of the Beech Shade Tree are toothed during the summer, and waxy leaves turn yellow in the fall and then brown, with many leaves remaining on the tree during the winter. The Beech Tree nut is full of protein and feed many kinds of wildlife, and the fall-colors of the leaves of the Beech Tree, during the Fall months, shine with a golden-yellow color, and can grow easily near water.
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#3059122 - 12/02/12 07:04 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: Carlos Viagra]
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Having some beech is fine. Having so many that they begin to dominate the understory is when many of those beeches can go.
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#3059133 - 12/02/12 07:14 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: Carlos Viagra]
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I need to do something with the beech trees on my property. Used to have 3 stand setups here on my 36 acres and hunted according to wind direction. Now I'm unable to hunt 2 of them at all do to the undergrowth of beech trees blocking your view.. Deer continue to use the same area but to get in range you have to get in there lap now... Guess I could go in and cut them down or pick a couple of locations and hinge cut them and bend the younger ones down and tie them to make a thicket...
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#3059142 - 12/02/12 07:21 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: lpo1981]
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Just go in and cut them down. I have had to do that in several of my favorite areas. You can really whip through them with a chainsaw.
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#3059212 - 12/02/12 08:13 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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Do the saplings make a decent sanctuary or do they block too much other undergrowth? I can see gowing in and thinning in hunting areas but my new centrally located sanctuary is loaded with them.
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#3059275 - 12/02/12 09:10 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: diamond hunter]
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They don't make the best cover, but anything that limits visual range is going to increase a deer's sense of security. The best sanctuaries have very limited visibility at a deer's-eye level.
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#3060106 - 12/02/12 07:30 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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One thing Ive noticed is,the Beechs I have cut do not resprout,may be time of year,dont know.
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#3060505 - 12/02/12 10:07 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: Football Hunter]
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BSK? Does your Garlon 3A mixture work on beeches this time of the year? I figure sept/oct would be best but wasn't able to get out to do much work then.
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#3060715 - 12/03/12 07:04 AM Re: Beech trees [Re: primos32]
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 Originally Posted By: primos32
BSK? Does your Garlon 3A mixture work on beeches this time of the year? I figure sept/oct would be best but wasn't able to get out to do much work then.


Virtually no herbicides work in winter. Normally, the tree has to be actively growing for herbicides to be effective.

In winter, if the tree is too big to cut down, I would double-ring the tree with a chainsaw.
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#3063158 - 12/04/12 02:03 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Trust me, you don't want beeches. They are the scourge of deer hunters in more mature hardwood stands, and they aren't that important to wildlife.

Wow! Regional opinions can vary wildly.

I love to see a few Beech scattered throughout a woodlot. I remember one year in early Oct. I watched a doe veer off a deer trail and bee-line to the Beech I was perched in. She must have caught a whiff of the bumper crop of beechnuts we had that year laying on the forest floor. The tight Beech canopy hid me well enough to arrow her and other deer at very close range.

I would rate beechNUTSs high on the list of attractive deer foods, while Beech leaves and buds (woody browse) I’d rate extremely low. Although, I’ve seen many times where deer repeatedly browse the root suckers in winter for whatever reason.

I’ve heard it recommended to NOT cut Am. Beech because it is such a vigorous producer of stump sprouts and root suckers that it can dominate regen of other species after cutting. And I’ve seen the wastelands (in terms of deer habitat) that result from this cutting. Thousands of acres of thick “cover”, but no good food or diversity and resultant low deer numbers. The legacy lasting for dozens of years, seemingly to never rectify itself on its own. Around here the beech brush often gets herbicided if it becomes all-encompassing right after or prior-to cutting operations.

Also, I believe acid rain contributes to Beech expanding its presence and dominance since Beech tolerates acid soils, especially on poorly buffered mountainous soils.

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#3063226 - 12/04/12 02:41 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: grundsow]
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grundsow,

A few beeches are a good thing. Turkey love beechnuts, and mature beeches providing an amazing array of holes for other wildlife to nest/live in (squirrels, woodpeckers, etc.). However, as you mentioned, beech saplings can end up dominating a hardwood forest, to the point that any timber thinning just produces a complete beech regeneration forest.

I have places on my property, even underneath 80+ year-old complete canopy white oak forests, where 80+% of of the understory is small beeches. Not only will this prevent an oak forest from regenerating if I thin the oaks, but the leaves of the beech saplings block what would normally be long-distance vision in fall. Some of these big mature hardwood forests should produce 100+ yard views after leaf-fall, but the beech hold visual ranges (at treestand height) to about 15 yards.
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#3063432 - 12/04/12 04:23 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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BSK, you have me alittle worried. I hunt a friends place that was just thinned with some large beeches and quite a few beeches in the understory. I believe I have many hack and squirt days ahead in my future helping him out.
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#3064996 - 12/05/12 03:57 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: primos32]
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I guess when someone (who is considering planting Am. Beech trees) asks if Beech benefits wildlife, and then gets the answer “you don’t want Beeches, they are the scourge of deer hunters”, it comes across as an interesting response.

I know at least in PA, in regions with northern hardwoods type forest (beech-cherry-maple-birch, and no oaks), the Beechnuts are really the only mast available to deer. Even when oaks are prevalent, Beech offers diversity. Swampster says acorns are scarce in his area, so for him to plant beech seems like a good idea to me.

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By BSK: I have places on my property, even underneath 80+ year-old complete canopy white oak forests, where 80+% of of the understory is small beeches. Not only will this prevent an oak forest from regenerating if I thin the oaks, but the leaves of the beech saplings block what would normally be long-distance vision in fall. Some of these big mature hardwood forests should produce 100+ yard views after leaf-fall, but the beech hold visual ranges (at treestand height) to about 15 yards.

I guess I would disagree here also.

I don’t believe long sightlines should be present in saw timber (younger pole timber yes, but not older saw timber), but this may be regional or site-specific too. Studies show that saw timber alone can support 40-50 dpfsm overwinter, which means that where these studies were done there must have been a shrub layer limiting views in 80+ old forest.

I cringe every time I see TV hunts with hunters/managers touting their “good resource management” when meanwhile the forest has no understory to speak of and field edges are lined with obvious browselines.

I have a question, is prescribed fire legal in Tennessee? It would seem to me that fire would encourage oak regen especially over beech. Fire is only starting to be used in PA.

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#3065029 - 12/05/12 04:36 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: grundsow]
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grundsow,

Deer will eat beechnuts, but not as a high-priority food. In addition, beechnuts are so small that it would take a huge number of beechnuts to feed deer--far more than the trees can produce. Beechnuts are valuable for other wildlife though, especially turkey. I've seen killed turkeys with crops full of beechnuts.

From a deer "food budget" viewpoint, I don't even consider acorns. They are a very high-value food source in fall, but acorn production can be very "iffy." I do all my winter food budget calculations using only natural browse, and consider acorn production just a "super bonus" food source when they exist.

As you mentioned diversity in habitat is the key, and I do want some of a property in long-visual-range, open-understory mature hardwoods. Visual ranges in these big oak stands can be amazing--well over a 100 yards in the most mature stands. Now I certainly don't want all or a majority of a hardwood property in this habitat, but having some is a good idea.

I want some of a property to look like this. But also notice in this picture the trees with the tan leaves. Those are all young beeches, and this is probably the lowest density of beeches I have anywhere on my property. In many locations, they completely dominate the understory:



Unfortunately, anywhere where sunlight can get under the canopy, especially where timber has been thinned or removed on a hillside, the sun can get under the canopy of the timber on the ridge-top, and beeches rapidly dominate, greatly reducing visibility. One of the habitat tactics I like to use is to create thick bedding cover along steep hillsides, but to leave the mature oaks standing on the ridge-tops. This can draw deer up from their hillside beeding areas to feed on acorns along the ridge-tops, increasing harvestability. But the beech growth eventually chokes out all visibility on those ridge-tops bordered by hillside timber cuttings.

But again, whether or not to recommend someone plant beeches who has NO beeches is very different than promoting beech in a hardwood environment. They absolutely can become a problem over time. Their shade tolerance eventually allows them to serious interfer with oak regeneration in hardwood thinnings and can cut hunting visibility to very short ranges.
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#3066324 - 12/06/12 02:12 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: BSK]
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IMO Beech trees are just eating for free and I cut every one i get a chance to.
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#3066335 - 12/06/12 02:22 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: Winchester]
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Im in there like a hair in a biscuit.
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#3066343 - 12/06/12 02:28 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: Winchester]
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Beech understory is a problem on a good percentage of my mature woodlands also. Unless you climb 30' or higher (which I'm not going to do - I get weak-kneed over 15-18') so you can see over and down through the understory, visibility is limited to 30 yards or less in some of my favorite areas. Basically, take the picture BSK posted and triple or quadruple the beech density and you end up with pretty small and short distance shooting opportunities. I hope to find the time around spring green up to go in with a chainsaw and cut at least some lanes through them from some of my stand sites.
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#3066349 - 12/06/12 02:36 PM Re: Beech trees [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
IMO Beech trees are just eating for free and I cut every one i get a chance to.
me too,in fact I cut 3 or 4 today
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