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#2996620 - 10/24/12 09:52 AM Call/Scent or nothing?
ngpirtle
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Quick questions, if you know your hunting the rut in your area do you go prepared with a some type of call and scent, or do you think they are all hoaxs?

Working on the finishing touches to my stand pack for the upcoming ruts hunts and I have never used any scents or calls.

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#2998026 - 10/25/12 06:07 AM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: ngpirtle]
rem270
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during the rut ive had better luck with the "can" call than anything
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#2998085 - 10/25/12 07:03 AM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: rem270]
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I never go in the deer woods without my grunt call. I don't "blind" call very much, but if I can see a buck out of range and he obviously isn't going to come close for a shot I use it. If I can see the buck, I can watch his body language and more times than not bring him in close.
Not saying blind calling doesn't work, in some instances i've had pretty good success doing that as well. I also use the can call in the same scenarios.
Don't sit in a blind and call constantly and expect to have deer running all over you.
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#2998154 - 10/25/12 07:55 AM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: bigtex]
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Yeah not much on blind calling myself. I heard my first snort wheeze several years ago. NEVER would have used that until that sit made me a believer. I saw 5 bucks in one set. They were wheezing all over the place. Last year I had a monster come in. Shot and missed with my bow at 41 yds. I had a call that was one of those 3-in-1 deals. Anyway after i shot and missed he only ran 10 yds.( I was sitting on the side of a steep ridge with open hardwoods.) Well I grunted at the monster and that would stop him as he walked off but not turn him. He would look in the woods but the fact that he didn't see anything didn't do much to spark his interest. So I snort wheezed. This had the same affect. Finally I used the dreaded bleat call which I think sounded horrible. Wouldn't you know at 70 yds it turns him and he came up an adjacent ridge to where I had another 41 yd shot! Unfortunately my calling was better than my shooting that day. lol.Its funny. This is the first time I could tell that story and not feel like throwing up. He was a monster.... Also I didn't mention that he walked up on a 155 lb 7 pointer that had been bedding beside me at 40 yds for over 8 hrs!!! It was a great sit and learning experience. Calls are no gimmick. Just don't go crazy with them. You are liable to do more harm than good.
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#2998639 - 10/25/12 12:30 PM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: Great White Stalker]
jb3
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During the rut I don't use any call. If a buck is after a doe, he really doesn't pay attention to anything but her. At least that's been my experience.
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#2999487 - 10/25/12 09:28 PM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: jb3]
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I tend to have a grunt call and a can call with me and will drag some estrous scent behind me on the way to the stand
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#2999909 - 10/26/12 08:38 AM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: easy45]
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I always carry a grunt call. About 5 years ago I was sitting on a side of a ditch and coughed before I could stop myself.I pulled out my grunt call with the hopes that "maybe" they would not figure out what the cough was all about. After hitting the grunt a few times. this big 8 pt steps to the edge of the ditch looking for a fight. He looked around for a bit then came straight to me all the time looking like he wanted to kick someones butt. Sometimes you just never know what's going to happen.
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#2999913 - 10/26/12 08:42 AM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: WRbowhunter]
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Am I the only hunter on here that has never had even the slightest response from a Buck with the Doe "Can" call? I've even had bucks within eye sight and nothing. Just curious.

Edited by BlountArrow (10/26/12 10:00 AM)
Edit Reason: not "bugs" - bucks
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#2999972 - 10/26/12 09:06 AM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: BlountArrow]
DOC1187
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 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
Am I the only hunter on here that has never had even the slightest response from a Buck with the Doe "Can" call? I've even had bugs within eye sight and nothing. Just curious.
i had an 8 take off running when i hit the can he was at least 150 yards away he got out of dodge in a hurry

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#3001918 - 10/27/12 02:05 PM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: DOC1187]
BlackBelt
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If you use the can call incorrectly you will run off every deer that can hear it.
Most people turn the call over and let it "blaaaaaah" until it quits. They dont realize they have just made whats called an 'alarm bleat' and have put every deer around on high alert for danger.
If you didnt know that, go to youtube and type in "the deer doctor"...which is a guy named peter fiduccia (or something like that) and watch his free video on the 5 different sounds deer make and what each means.

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#3002912 - 10/28/12 07:06 AM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: BlackBelt]
BlountArrow
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 Originally Posted By: BlackBelt
If you use the can call incorrectly you will run off every deer that can hear it.
Most people turn the call over and let it "blaaaaaah" until it quits. They dont realize they have just made whats called an 'alarm bleat' and have put every deer around on high alert for danger.
If you didnt know that, go to youtube and type in "the deer doctor"...which is a guy named peter fiduccia (or something like that) and watch his free video on the 5 different sounds deer make and what each means.


Primos should have included that little nugget of info on the packaging. Guess they just wanted me to buy it, realize it is more suited as a toy for my 3 year old, and then buy some other type of Primos Snake Oil.
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#3007734 - 10/30/12 03:59 PM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: BlountArrow]
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I carry two different grunt tubes(different tones to them) at all times, and I save all my tarsal glands(buck & does) from every deer I take, they get bagged and labeled and frozen. I use them in different areas from which they were taken throughout the entire season. I will hang one off my pack and on stand.
I have had other deer come in to check out the stranger in their area when one is hanging on a tree branch.
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#3015302 - 11/04/12 12:42 PM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: FULLDRAWXX75]
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Any time from now until the end of the season I won't be in the woods without a grunt call and in most cases, an estrous doe call hanging around my neck. I know there are those that have had good success with the can call but it's never worked for me and I prefer the tube calls. In a few instances I may play with scents but the calls are my go to main stay.
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#3083374 - 12/17/12 11:36 AM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: BlackBelt]
deerthug78
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i myself use the can call, primos buck roar, and a lohman 8 to 1 adjustable call throughtout the season and have had alot of deer come into my calling. the lohman is on doe bleat an during the call it changes octives an ive seen it myself an had others with me when it changes octives it just breaks them they gotta see that deer lol the lohman is the 1st deer call i ever got back when i was 16-17 an im 34 now. I've even used it calling bucks chasing does away from me some would stop in there tracks n look some would stop turn an come to me lol just my observations. but i also use tinks 69.
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#3280730 - 07/02/13 02:28 PM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: BlountArrow]
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 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
 Originally Posted By: BlackBelt
If you use the can call incorrectly you will run off every deer that can hear it.
Most people turn the call over and let it "blaaaaaah" until it quits. They dont realize they have just made whats called an 'alarm bleat' and have put every deer around on high alert for danger.
If you didnt know that, go to youtube and type in "the deer doctor"...which is a guy named peter fiduccia (or something like that) and watch his free video on the 5 different sounds deer make and what each means.


Primos should have included that little nugget of info on the packaging. Guess they just wanted me to buy it, realize it is more suited as a toy for my 3 year old, and then buy some other type of Primos Snake Oil.


By Golly, you are right BlountArrow. I did not know that and have been "blattting" full blast as long as the can would go. Thanks for the advice. Here's the video you must have been talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJMGYuEdVmM&list=PLA34757D4C3D562FC

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#3280967 - 07/02/13 07:43 PM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: Hunter 257W]
BlountArrow
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Even more amazing is that bucks "immediately respond" according to the video. I always shook my bleat can a little to make it sound like a doe was getting hammered by a rival buck and REALLY enjoying it. That never worked either though. I guess anything works once in a while, just not for me; must be my technique.
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#3281600 - 07/03/13 01:20 PM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: BlountArrow]
pastorbmp
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I have never had any success with scents, though some hunters swear by them. But, I would never go to the woods without grunt call, can call and rattle horns/bag.
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#3282191 - 07/04/13 09:42 AM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: BlackBelt]
danny1975
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during rut I use a grunt call and had great success with it . But if he is on a doe, its not going to make any difference. and as for scents the only luck I had with them is I had a great day killing yotes.
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#3282669 - 07/04/13 08:59 PM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: danny1975]
Wes Parrish
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My opinion is the majority of deer hunters would kill more bucks if they used no scents whatsoever and no calls whatsoever. That's not to say that both scents and calls don't work sometimes. But I do believe most users are confusing happenstance with a false assumption of cause & effect. Yes, sometimes you grunt, and a buck comes running. But how many times does grunting spook a buck you didn't see, one which might have been coming towards you if you had been quite?

I've also had estrous doe urine bring in a buck. But more often, I've seen it spook a doe, which in turn spooked multiple bucks.

Probably the biggest problem is over-use, and use under the wrong circumstances and wrong times, not realizing the deer are pin-pointing your location, when they otherwise might never have been alerted to your presence.

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#3287559 - 07/10/13 01:40 PM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
My opinion is the majority of deer hunters would kill more bucks if they used no scents whatsoever and no calls whatsoever. That's not to say that both scents and calls don't work sometimes. But I do believe most users are confusing happenstance with a false assumption of cause & effect. Yes, sometimes you grunt, and a buck comes running. But how many times does grunting spook a buck you didn't see, one which might have been coming towards you if you had been quite?

I've also had estrous doe urine bring in a buck. But more often, I've seen it spook a doe, which in turn spooked multiple bucks.

Probably the biggest problem is over-use, and use under the wrong circumstances and wrong times, not realizing the deer are pin-pointing your location, when they otherwise might never have been alerted to your presence.


I agree. I think alot of these products are sold as miracles and you are suppose to use them all the time and you will kill big mature bucks but that is simply not the case. People have been killing deer since before any of this stuff was out. They can be a great tool to have and use but only under the right circumstances. I have learned my lesson on using calls for sure.
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#3289450 - 07/12/13 11:28 AM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: MattR]
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nothing. save the money you would spend it and buy something that will help you kill a good deer- like land
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#3289478 - 07/12/13 12:15 PM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: redblood]
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 Originally Posted By: redblood
nothing. save the money you would spend it and buy something that will help you kill a good deer- like land


Or an apple and a roll of toilet paper so that you can stay in the stand longer.
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#3306773 - 07/30/13 04:35 PM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: Poser]
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What Wes said. I've got a grunt tube in my pack. Never use it anymore though. Don't even know why I still carry it.
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#3323547 - 08/15/13 07:02 AM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: BSK]
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IMO it just really depends on the buck to doe rattio in you area I live in east Tenn. Our buck to do rattio is all messed up average bucks here a small basket rack 4 points and 6 points but there is areas around here that have some good bucks in them I have learned if I hunt near my house rattling is not effective very much it runs ever one of the small bucks off and does too scent was a little different if you got set up on the right spot and crack open a buck bomb with mins there will be a small buck going crazy now if I go and hunt back out in the bon dock in the rough smokey junkshon area I have learned midday late or early post rut rattling and scent only will wake up a buck if it at the right time its all about timing the rut I have used the can one quick tip if you use it don't grunt right after you use it come other bucks think any there buck is after her and he will run off
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#3323566 - 08/15/13 07:24 AM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: serriaman07]
BlountArrow
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#3325018 - 08/16/13 02:17 PM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: BlountArrow]
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I loved this comment to the video:
"Are you kidding me!!!!! I had the buck of a lifetime 40 yards away and wondered why he left when I started with the doe bleat. The whole time I was telling him. " Hey !! danger over here.... guy in a tree that doesn't know how to use the call"........ Thanks for the much needed clarification...lol"
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#3325556 - 08/17/13 08:45 AM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: LanceS4803]
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I'm by no means an expert but I've been using deer calls for 30+ years and have seen some consistency in certain aspects of calling. I think a lot depends on the deer you're hunting. I've seen places where the deer responded to calling on a frequent basis and places where the deer almost never responded...and sometimes there was less hunting pressure in the areas where the deer DID NOT respond to calling. To an extent, it would seem that some deer are almost genetically disposed to be more or less vocal than other deer, and that this trait may be localized.

I call to deer I see and I call blind. Granted you may spook unseen deer but that's just something that you'll never know. Calling to "seen" deer usually gets about an 80% response even if it's only to stop and look in your direction before moving on. The main mistakes people make when calling are in timing, volume, and movement. For instance, you don't estrus bleat opening weekend of archery season 1 1/2 months before the first does even come into heat. You also don't try to blow the reeds out of your call for volume. Wind dictates volume in conjunction with your setup and location. You start out softly and gain volume. The major mistake is movement. Once you make a call any deer within earshot is locked into your location. Dependent upon your location you may not see the deer but they may see you. After calling is not the time to scratch your butt or blow your nose. Watch for movement over the next 15 minutes. Once they hear you and IF they decide to approach they usually don't do so on the run. The exception to this might be during the pre-rut or rut. I've had bucks charge in and almost run over me either looking for the doe calling or to face the other buck in their area.

The best setups for calling have you concealed but give you somewhat of a view of the area the deer may have to travel through getting to your location...and they will cross an open field if they decide to check you out. The worst setups are in super thick areas where the deer have to be right on top of you before you ever know they're there.

The jury is still out on whether spooking a deer by calling will call shy him. If a deer busts you calling does it mean he'll never respond to calling again? If so, then it would seem that he'll live a lonely life and never respond to the real deal again...and deer are vocal. I lean more towards a deer being super wary responding to calls afterward to the point of possibly being unkillable.

I also believe that herd dynamics plays a role in "callability"; particularly concerning bucks. When an older buck has previously intimidated the younger bucks those younger bucks may be very nervous when they hear another buck grunting. This makes for some humorous entertainment calling to them while they're in the vicinity of your stand.

Calling is not for everyone and if you don't have faith in that calling will work maybe you shouldn't try it. It's not a guarantee that it will put a deer on the ground but sometimes it's the thing that can seal the deal. It's just another component in the hunter's arsenal.
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#3442292 - 11/08/13 12:03 PM Re: Call/Scent or nothing? [Re: BlackBelt]
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[/quote]If you didnt know that, go to youtube and type in "the deer doctor"...which is a guy named peter fiduccia (or something like that) and watch his free video on the 5 different sounds deer make and what each means. [/quote]

that Fiduccia does a great calling lesson to me he is a must see because he gives you great insight into calling deer.

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