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#2996214 - 10/24/12 12:23 AM Re: Just ordered a Savage! Need advice... [Re: S.vitreum]
tasaman
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 Originally Posted By: S.vitreum
 Originally Posted By: Tenn.Guy
I am headed off to dougsmsg board just thought I could get some quick info here.

Best thing you can do. Guys here are nice. However, for the most part, they are readers/listeners not shooters - guys on Dougs are experts. Look for 2,300 fps and you are there.
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I wasn't going to even acknowledge your comment about those on this board not being shooters but you really got under my skin with that. First, I don't know you which in turn means you most likely don't know me. Therefore you don't know what I know. Please refrain from assuming the contributors here don't also contribute on Doug's. I started out lurking for a while but have been a member and a smokeless shooter since 2006 or 07. I spent this past weekend shooting 3 ML-IIs. Others on this board are also well expirenced in smokeless muzzleloading as well.

When you learned to drive did you go get a professional race car driver to teach you? Didn't think so. You got someone with experience to show you what to do. That is what this fellow asked for that's what he got. Strait and to the point info.

By the way, don't expect 2300 fps with 4759. 2200 is prob more realistic.

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#2996225 - 10/24/12 02:57 AM Re: Just ordered a Savage! Need advice... [Re: tasaman]
Rockhound
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 Originally Posted By: tasaman
 Originally Posted By: S.vitreum
 Originally Posted By: Tenn.Guy
I am headed off to dougsmsg board just thought I could get some quick info here.

Best thing you can do. Guys here are nice. However, for the most part, they are readers/listeners not shooters - guys on Dougs are experts. Look for 2,300 fps and you are there.
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I wasn't going to even acknowledge your comment about those on this board not being shooters but you really got under my skin with that. First, I don't know you which in turn means you most likely don't know me. Therefore you don't know what I know. Please refrain from assuming the contributors here don't also contribute on Doug's. I started out lurking for a while but have been a member and a smokeless shooter since 2006 or 07. I spent this past weekend shooting 3 ML-IIs. Others on this board are also well expirenced in smokeless muzzleloading as well.

When you learned to drive did you go get a professional race car driver to teach you? Didn't think so. You got someone with experience to show you what to do. That is what this fellow asked for that's what he got. Strait and to the point info.

By the way, don't expect 2300 fps with 4759. 2200 is prob more realistic.


That got me to tasaman
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#2996349 - 10/24/12 07:13 AM Re: Just ordered a Savage! Need advice... [Re: Rockhound]
Tenn.Guy
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Registered: 09/17/07
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Lol i appreciate everyone's help.

Here's what im looking at.

300gr xtp
Mmp hph-24 short (ordered)
Accurate arms or 4759 whichever i can find first

Primers CCI or federal? Not sure those make much of a difference.

Quick loads dont to be.so."quick". Going to order lmclab.com vials for.powder.

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#2996395 - 10/24/12 07:46 AM Re: Just ordered a Savage! Need advice... [Re: Rockhound]
TN Larry
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Registered: 09/17/03
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 Originally Posted By: Rockhound
 Originally Posted By: tasaman
 Originally Posted By: S.vitreum
 Originally Posted By: Tenn.Guy
I am headed off to dougsmsg board just thought I could get some quick info here.

Best thing you can do. Guys here are nice. However, for the most part, they are readers/listeners not shooters - guys on Dougs are experts. Look for 2,300 fps and you are there.
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I wasn't going to even acknowledge your comment about those on this board not being shooters but you really got under my skin with that. First, I don't know you which in turn means you most likely don't know me. Therefore you don't know what I know. Please refrain from assuming the contributors here don't also contribute on Doug's. I started out lurking for a while but have been a member and a smokeless shooter since 2006 or 07. I spent this past weekend shooting 3 ML-IIs. Others on this board are also well expirenced in smokeless muzzleloading as well.

When you learned to drive did you go get a professional race car driver to teach you? Didn't think so. You got someone with experience to show you what to do. That is what this fellow asked for that's what he got. Strait and to the point info.

By the way, don't expect 2300 fps with 4759. 2200 is prob more realistic.


That got me to tasaman


There is some good information and definitely people in the know here. I am looking at converting an Encore 45/70 and started here with Howa. He recommended me to ask at Doug's as well.

Reading all the smokeless posts here along with Howa's conversion last year has got me on the band wagon. I won't be nowhere near ready this year but will next year, good Lord Willing. Thanks for all of the help and information here!!!
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#2996539 - 10/24/12 09:14 AM Re: Just ordered a Savage! Need advice... [Re: tasaman]
S.vitreum
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Registered: 10/03/07
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 Originally Posted By: tasaman
I started out lurking for a while but have been a member and a smokeless shooter since 2006 or 07. I spent this past weekend shooting 3 ML-IIs. Others on this board are also well expirenced in smokeless muzzleloading as well.

When you learned to drive did you go get a professional race car driver to teach you? Didn't think so. You got someone with experience to show you what to do. That is what this fellow asked for that's what he got. Strait and to the point info.

By the way, don't expect 2300 fps with 4759. 2200 is prob more realistic.


Well, where to begin? First off, I said "FOR THE MOST PART". If you are offended by my assessment, sorry. It is the truth. Most guys here find a single load that works for them and go hunt - never changing a thing for years on end and shooting their savage maybe 5-10 times a year. That is a fact with their muzzleloader, their rifle, and (at a lesser extent) their bow. That is the basis of my opinion.

Secondly, in your analogy, I am the "professional race car driver". I gave the OP the best starting information I have. I've been shooting a Savage since 2000 or 2001 (whenever they came out). I was probably one of the first guys on Doug's Board to try 4759 after Toby Bridges emailed me the load in 2002-03. Later in 2003 or 2004, it became a Savage recommended load in the manual that came with the gun. At that time, Savage recommended 43gr which = 2,300. Now remember this part: 2,300 fps with a 250 gr bullet is safe per Savage.

Lastly, I recommended to the OP to find 2,300 fps and he would be done. I told him to START at 43 gr with a 250. Originally, 4759 came in 1/2 pound tin cans. Out of the tin container, 43 grains would net me 2,305 fps. Now starting and finding are two completely different points with the plastic containers. As Andy correctly pointed out, 43 grains out of the plastic container gets you 2,100 or so. You can still work up to 2,300 fps. Same pressure at 2,300 fps with 43 gr of the original tin or 47 grains of the plastic container.

Remember, I said start @ 43, find 2,300. 2,300 fps is the constant.

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#2996548 - 10/24/12 09:21 AM Re: Just ordered a Savage! Need advice... [Re: S.vitreum]
FULLDRAWXX75
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Oh my, do I smell a lock down in the works????

Yikes!!!!!!

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#2996553 - 10/24/12 09:22 AM Re: Just ordered a Savage! Need advice... [Re: S.vitreum]
S.vitreum
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Below is a link to a pressure trace of 4759 by ET. Please notice that it is a 225 gr bullet, not 250.

He shoots from 46-50 grains of 4759. At 50 gr he is still only at 33,000 psi and 2,418 fps.

http://dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=smokeless&action=display&thread=8533

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#2996570 - 10/24/12 09:30 AM Re: Just ordered a Savage! Need advice... [Re: FULLDRAWXX75]
S.vitreum
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 Originally Posted By: FULLDRAWXX75
Oh my, do I smell a lock down in the works????

Yikes!!!!!!

FDXX75


Why would this thread get locked?

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#2996575 - 10/24/12 09:32 AM Re: Just ordered a Savage! Need advice... [Re: S.vitreum]
FULLDRAWXX75
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Loc: Adirondack Mtns, NY

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 Originally Posted By: S.vitreum
 Originally Posted By: FULLDRAWXX75
Oh my, do I smell a lock down in the works????

Yikes!!!!!!

FDXX75


Why would this thread get locked?


It just may get a little hot in here, just sayin'...........ruffled feather syndrome. LOL

FDXX75
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#2996658 - 10/24/12 10:16 AM Re: Just ordered a Savage! Need advice... [Re: FULLDRAWXX75]
Tenn.Guy
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Posts: 1855
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Well i'm just looking to deer hunt this year Lord willing. I can fine tune next year. Would I be better with the 250gr XTP or 300gr. From reading it seems the 300gr is better, but I am use to shooting 250's shockwaves in my CVA now and they do just fine?
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