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#3031656 - 11/13/12 04:34 PM Re: Savage and 325 gr FTX [Re: fullstream]
Tar12
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 Originally Posted By: fullstream
Thanks for the data sir. I would like to get a chrono soon. I believe I'm gonna try some Barnes originals for next year. Although the exp certianly does a very nice job on deer.

That XTP will kill you a truckload of deer! BUT here is the catch with the XTP and most thin skinned pistol bullets they are designed to open in the 1600-1800 fps range. They do a excellent job there but it is when you really start to push them that they "frag". I personally do not care for that.If pushed to fast they will "varmint bullet' on you and you have a wounded deer on your hands or a long recovery job.This is not a problem to a lesser degree with 300 grn bullets in general absolutley no problem with the .458 Barnes (BO)or all copper bullets.Another excellent deer killing machine is the 250 grn TEZ if it will shoot for you.

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#3031841 - 11/13/12 06:23 PM Re: Savage and 325 gr FTX [Re: holstonangler]
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 Originally Posted By: holstonangler
lol where are you getting that data? I guess you are unaware of the well known misfires with h4198.

Funny. No misfires here and I supplied much data for Doug's. Maybe I'm still an idiot?
For 250's- 4759, N110, 4198, 10x
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#3032042 - 11/13/12 07:51 PM Re: Savage and 325 gr FTX [Re: holstonangler]
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 Originally Posted By: holstonangler
 Originally Posted By: Deer Assassin
worse powder ever made

i wouldnt use it for nothing my buddy came over with his new savage and that powder (new can) barnes 300 gn

700-900 fps with 43 grains
bullets tumbling

loaded same bullet and sabot 68 gns h4198
cutting holes 2350 fps



lol where are you getting that data? I guess you are unaware of the well known misfires with h4198. The powder is not the cause of tumbling bullets. I use RL7, 10X, and 5744, and they all cut holes at 100 yards using the 325 ftx.


from a chronograph


never a misfire with h4198 killed probably 20 deer with it

some folks get all defensive

i hate that powder the results are the results the bullet tumbled cause it was subsonic

the only thing changed was the powder and it was cutting holes

hey like i said it could of been a bad batch it could of been exposed to temp changes i dont know but it was not my powder

thanks to him listening to me he killed 2 deer dead and that would not of happend with his powder
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#3032221 - 11/13/12 09:28 PM Re: Savage and 325 gr FTX [Re: Deer Assassin]
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I really need to chrono my load, the 13 pt i killed thursday was at about 75 yds and quartering to me. The 300 gr. Xtp. Entered right behind the shoulder and stopped behind the skin at his last rib, maybe even clipping the rib? Should i be concerned about no pass through?
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#3032304 - 11/13/12 10:40 PM Re: Savage and 325 gr FTX [Re: Rockhound]
holstonangler
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 Originally Posted By: Deer Assassin
[quote=holstonangler] [quote=Deer Assassin]
some folks get all defensive


maybe because the data you post is inaccurate. There is so much posted data on 5744, you would have to know that you had a bad batch of powder as soon as you saw the chrono readings.

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#3033638 - 11/14/12 08:21 PM Re: Savage and 325 gr FTX [Re: holstonangler]
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 Originally Posted By: holstonangler
 Originally Posted By: Deer Assassin
[quote=holstonangler] [quote=Deer Assassin]
some folks get all defensive


maybe because the data you post is inaccurate. There is so much posted data on 5744, you would have to know that you had a bad batch of powder as soon as you saw the chrono readings.


and that is why i changed powder in his ml and it worked fine

besides the powder produces low fps compared to several other powders
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#3033901 - 11/15/12 06:18 AM Re: Savage and 325 gr FTX [Re: Tar12]
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 Originally Posted By: Tar12
 Originally Posted By: fullstream
Thanks for the data sir. I would like to get a chrono soon. I believe I'm gonna try some Barnes originals for next year. Although the exp certianly does a very nice job on deer.

That XTP will kill you a truckload of deer! BUT here is the catch with the XTP and most thin skinned pistol bullets they are designed to open in the 1600-1800 fps range. They do a excellent job there but it is when you really start to push them that they "frag". I personally do not care for that.If pushed to fast they will "varmint bullet' on you and you have a wounded deer on your hands or a long recovery job.This is not a problem to a lesser degree with 300 grn bullets in general absolutley no problem with the .458 Barnes (BO)or all copper bullets.Another excellent deer killing machine is the 250 grn TEZ if it will shoot for you.


Actually shoot the Barnes 300 exp. I tried xtp but couldn't get good groups. I recovered a bullet from a frontal shot this year (after it tore up 7 ribs) and it mushroomed beautifully. That was the first non pass through I've had with this this bullet.

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#3035023 - 11/15/12 04:17 PM Re: Savage and 325 gr FTX [Re: fullstream]
Tar12
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OOOps! I misread what bullet you were using! Thats a killer for sure!

Edited by Tar12 (11/15/12 04:18 PM)

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#3037628 - 11/17/12 12:49 PM Re: Savage and 325 gr FTX [Re: Tar12]
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I took an 8pter this morning with the 325ftx, boiler room shot, ran maybe 70 yards before taking the dirt map. Complete pass through, both lungs had golf ball sized holes through them. Awesome bullet, my third buck since starting with them last year. I used 44 grains of 5744 on the first two, both having pass throughs and traveling 50 yards or less, and this past one i was using 63 grains of Reloader 7. Both powders are producing .75-1.00" groups with my stock savage.
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#3098872 - 12/28/12 10:51 AM Re: Savage and 325 gr FTX [Re: CR500AFX]
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 Originally Posted By: CR500AFX
Decided to try the 45/70 325 gr FTX in my savage smokeless ML. MMP orange sabot with 44gr 5744 at 1925 FPS. The groups at 120 yards are just ok at 2 inches. However, the bullets are tumbling at that range, as evident keyholes in the target. None of the sabots are blown. I have tried different charges and it loads too tight with BCR sabots(bending ramrod}. I really wanted this combo to work, as it would be effective at short and long ranges. BTW, this gun is a tight shooter with 300gr XTP's, hornaday .458 300gr HP and .458 barnes original using the same powder load and a BCR sabot. I experimented with N120 early on but did not have good accuracy, but never tried it with these bullets. I would rather not change to a powder that is not as reliable. Secondly, I realize the Barnes original takes a lot to expand. Does anyone have experience using them on boiler room shots at ranges of 50 to 200 yards? Blood trail, after shot run distance, etc. Any suggestions?


If your last question was on the 300 gr. Barnes Original, then I can tell you it has been a GREAT bullet on big IL deer. A friend and I have killed several (bucks and does) with it up there with ranges from 20 yds to 200+ yds. I can't remember a single blood trailing job as all have either dropped in their tracks or taken a step or two. I shot an 11pt at 20 yds this fall and was a little concerned with the initial reaction as the deer flinched but didn't immediately go down. But, it only took two steps before hitting the ground.

They group well in my rifle, but are a bear to load in my tight barrel. I'm looking for an easier to load alternative for that rifle. In my other Savage they load well and will remain my bullet of choice for that gun.
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