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#2993219 - 10/22/12 01:07 PM Re: Finding Mature Bucks [Re: Relentless]
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 Originally Posted By: Relentless
That being said, if there are deer in your area, there could be a trophy show up any time.


To a certain extent, that is true. And the most likely times for "new" older bucks to suddenly show up on a property are exactly a month before your local peak breeding starts, about 10 days before peak breeding starts, then during the 7-10 days of peak breeding. Over a 10-year span, photo censuses of individual properties across Middle and West TN have shown these same patterns.
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#2993231 - 10/22/12 01:13 PM Re: Finding Mature Bucks [Re: BSK]
tasaman
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Saw a map of some radio collared deer and could not belive the range of some of the bucks. Some stayed within 2 miles of home and others made a 20 mile loop two times during the breeding period. I'd say right now, hunt where the does are feeding and don't shoot does. Just wait and see what comes along. You might be very surprised.
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#2993545 - 10/22/12 03:59 PM Re: Finding Mature Bucks [Re: tasaman]
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I've been running cameras on 1000 acres since 2005 and 1650 acres since 2008. We only have about half the mature bucks (4.5+) this year as we have had in the past years. If you count back a 5.5 year old would have been born in 2007, the year of the late freeze, a major drought that summer, and the worst EHD outbreak most had ever seen. During 2007 we had near 0% fawn survival and only about 10% to 15% fawn recruitment in 2008 in my area. All that adds up to there not being many mature bucks 4 or 5 years later.

Edited by 8 POINTS OR BETTER (10/22/12 04:00 PM)
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#2993557 - 10/22/12 04:04 PM Re: Finding Mature Bucks [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
I've been running cameras on 1000 acres since 2005 and 1650 acres since 2008. We only have about half the mature bucks (4.5+) this year as we have had in the past years. If you count back a 5.5 year old would have been born in 2007, the year of the late freeze, a major drought that summer, and the worst EHD outbreak most had ever seen. During 2007 we had near 0% fawn survival and only about 10% to 15% fawn recruitment in 2008 in my area. All that adds up to there not being many mature bucks 4 or 5 years later.


DEFINITELY seeing a decline in the number of mature bucks in my area as well.
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#2997346 - 10/24/12 05:20 PM Re: Finding Mature Bucks [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
I've been running cameras on 1000 acres since 2005 and 1650 acres since 2008. We only have about half the mature bucks (4.5+) this year as we have had in the past years. If you count back a 5.5 year old would have been born in 2007, the year of the late freeze, a major drought that summer, and the worst EHD outbreak most had ever seen. During 2007 we had near 0% fawn survival and only about 10% to 15% fawn recruitment in 2008 in my area. All that adds up to there not being many mature bucks 4 or 5 years later.





DEFINITELY seeing a decline in the number of mature bucks in my area as well.


I don't think we have a buck that is 4.5 or 5.5. I think we have one or two 6.5 that are the result of high grading, and the rest are 3.5 or less.
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#2998058 - 10/25/12 06:34 AM Re: Finding Mature Bucks [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
I don't think we have a buck that is 4.5 or 5.5. I think we have one or two 6.5 that are the result of high grading, and the rest are 3.5 or less.


This is the craziest year I've ever seen. I'm non-plussed in explaining it. Our summer buck population was the lowest it has been in 12 years, and contained no older bucks. We have seen a big surge of new bucks as we transitioned from summer to fall patterns, but none of those new bucks are mature. In fact, just one might be 3 1/2. Unless we pick up some 3 1/2+ year-old bucks in the surge of new bucks that normally occurs just before the rut, this will definitely be the worst year we've had since the late 90s. I can't imagine going into a deer season with only one buck on my target list, and that buck is definitely nothing special.
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#2998086 - 10/25/12 07:04 AM Re: Finding Mature Bucks [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
Andy S.
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 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
.....in 2007, the year of the late freeze, a major drought that summer, and the worst EHD outbreak most had ever seen. During 2007 we had near 0% fawn survival and only about 10% to 15% fawn recruitment in 2008 in my area. All that adds up to there not being many mature bucks 4 or 5 years later.
I agree 100%. I have been saying all along that the residual effects of 2007 were really going to put a dent in available bucks 4.5+ in out years, at least for a couple of years. That time is here.
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#2998136 - 10/25/12 07:39 AM Re: Finding Mature Bucks [Re: Andy S.]
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 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
.....in 2007, the year of the late freeze, a major drought that summer, and the worst EHD outbreak most had ever seen. During 2007 we had near 0% fawn survival and only about 10% to 15% fawn recruitment in 2008 in my area. All that adds up to there not being many mature bucks 4 or 5 years later.
I agree 100%. I have been saying all along that the residual effects of 2007 were really going to put a dent in available bucks 4.5+ in out years, at least for a couple of years. That time is here.


And it's not just 2007. I observed very low fawn recruitment across my region in 2008, 2009 and 2010. We may be seeing the results of that now.
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#2998318 - 10/25/12 09:14 AM Re: Finding Mature Bucks [Re: BSK]
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I'm not familiar with the word "recruitment" in this context...
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#2998354 - 10/25/12 09:32 AM Re: Finding Mature Bucks [Re: Coach]
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This is some interesting info guys. Thanks for the input. I am happy to report that at least one mature deer has moved into range for me, though to date, he is the only one.

I passed 6 times on this deer in 2010 and had a hard time aging him. I would love some opinions. His antler characteristics were awesome. They are white as snow and he is extremely wide but his tines were all pretty small. Mainframe 10. Didn't see him at all in 2011 and figured someone got him. Last week at about 5:45 pm he followed 3 does out into the grassy bowl of our ridge line where dad was turkey hunting.

He is definitely on my shooter list, see video from 2010.

https://vimeo.com/52155186
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