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#2983772 - 10/16/12 08:16 AM Re: Shooting the Savage this afternoon [Re: EastTNHunter]
Andy S.
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 Originally Posted By: EastTNHunter
Many people shoot a foul shot with smokeless centerfire rifles to clean out the oil and leave that first coat of carbon residue. The gun shoots far more consistently thereafter. My MLII is very similar, along with several other of my centerfire rifles.
My line of thinking exactly. This has been my experience over the years.
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#2983824 - 10/16/12 08:47 AM Re: Shooting the Savage this afternoon [Re: FULLDRAWXX75]
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With a stainless barrel ive never used oil or seasoned the barrel so the first shot should be like the last as long as you keep the plastic out of the barrel. When i go to the woods my rifle is clean along with the breech plug and i still dont beleive you foul the the barrel on a stainless barrel.
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#2983853 - 10/16/12 09:03 AM Re: Shooting the Savage this afternoon [Re: barkscraper]
Andy S.
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How does a "stainless barrel" relate to my story and pics above?
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#2983863 - 10/16/12 09:13 AM Re: Shooting the Savage this afternoon [Re: FULLDRAWXX75]
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I beleive you said you shot a foul shot and i had never heard that with a smokeless stainless barrel muzzleloader before. I think it would be like shooting your stainless 25-06 a couple shots to foul the barrel. I know there a small difference just not enough to see a difference. Sorry got off track i guess . Nice rifle
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#2984531 - 10/16/12 03:58 PM Re: Shooting the Savage this afternoon [Re: Andy S.]
Wes Parrish
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Andy,
Thanks for posting your shooting experience.
I've got a good bit of shooting to do myself with my Savage.
Am trying out the Harvester Scorpion PT Gold bullets in both the .260 and .300 gr versions, using the red crushed rib sabots (which Harvester said was designed specifically for these bullets in a Savage smokeless).

 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
 Originally Posted By: HMHunters75
Hope that lead sled doesn't cost you a scope.
Please elaborate. I have heard people say this repeatedly over the years, but I am not sure exactly what they are referring to. I do not anchor the gun down, more like just sit it in there, thus the gun still has plenty of vertical mobility for recoil, all within reason. I have sighted/shot ALL of my guns off of this setup for the last decade (numerous rifles, MZers, shotguns, etc), along with some of my friends' guns, and we have never encountered any problems that we are aware of. Maybe I am missing something?

I'm using a similar set-up, but have backed off on some of the weight due to concerns too much weight MIGHT shift your point of impact will a bit. Try shooting your guns with just sandbags, gun butt on your shoulder and see if POI is same.

The concern about the sudden "stop" in recoil by using the weights on a "Lead Sled" should be more for the rifle than the scope, imo, since it's the rifle's action and butt stock that is suddenly under much greater stress.

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#2984706 - 10/16/12 05:57 PM Re: Shooting the Savage this afternoon [Re: FULLDRAWXX75]
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Andy- The gun must be strapped down to cause damage. As long as the rifle can have some "bounce" all should be well. I should have included this information.
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#2984958 - 10/16/12 07:56 PM Re: Shooting the Savage this afternoon [Re: HMHunters75]
Andy S.
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That is good to hear as that was what I was thinking as well. Thanks for clarifying.
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#2989069 - 10/19/12 12:41 PM Re: Shooting the Savage this afternoon [Re: Andy S.]
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I shoot the same powder. 43 gr and a 250 gr bullet you should be getting 100 to 200 fps better than that. Do you have a loose bore?
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#2989098 - 10/19/12 12:58 PM Re: Shooting the Savage this afternoon [Re: tasaman]
Andy S.
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 Originally Posted By: tasaman
I shoot the same powder.
Are you shooting old tin can 4759 or new plastic jug 4759? I shoot the plastic jug and it is not as hot as the old tin can 4759. Furthermore, unless we are comparing exact lot numbers, I would still think even two different cans of plastic 4759 could produce different velocities at the same charge. I have always been told powder can be different from lot to lot. With that said, I basically assume every jug is a new animal until I chrono it.

I would not describe my bore as overly loose, but it is not tight either. I would think it would fall somewhere in the middle. I can tell you that loading the 250 grain SSTs after numerous shots (5-7) is fairly easy, at least it seems that way to me.

FWIW, I loaded up 47 grains (plastic jug 4759) that day just to check the velocity and it only chronoed 2240fps at 15 feet from the barrel, so maybe 2250fps tops. I only shot that charge through one time, so that is the only data I have at the moment. I know there have been numerous guys that have got 2250-2300 fps out of 43 grains of the old tin can 4759.


Edited by Andy S. (10/19/12 01:01 PM)
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#2989113 - 10/19/12 01:07 PM Re: Shooting the Savage this afternoon [Re: Andy S.]
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Could be a little difference in your cronies, too. \:D
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