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#2988756 - 10/19/12 09:19 AM Understand who you are voting for
OHVATN
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Don't be snookered again. How do you really know who you are voting for in this presidential election, like all of ther others? Campaign rhetoric? Promises (from a politician?) The mainstream (corporate) media? Get real. It's money people. Always has been, always will be.

Who's giving the money and who's getting it?

Let's see the top 5 campaign contributors for the candidates this year:

Obama: (1) Univ of California; (2) Microsoft; (3) Google; (4) Harvard; (5) United States Government

Romney: (1) Goldman Sachs (interestingly, Goldman was Obama's #2 in 2008); (2) Bank of America; (3) JP Morgan; (4) Microsoft; (5) Credit Suisse

Now, please tell me where do the candidates' real allegiances lie? Us or them?

By comparison, let's look at the top 5 campaign contributors for that alleged radical weirdo isolationist candidate Ron Paul (really the liberty loving, sound money, dismantle the welfare/warfare state candidate): (1) United States Army; (2) United States Air Force; (3) United States Navy; (4) Google; (5) United States Department of Defense.

Quite a contrast don't you think. Unfortunately, we are again stuck with their choices of candidates, not ours.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contriball.php
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#2988775 - 10/19/12 09:28 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
TennesseeRains
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The U.S. Army, U.S. Air Force, U.S. Navy, and U.S. Department of Defense can contribute to the political campaigns of those running for office?
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#2988786 - 10/19/12 09:33 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TennesseeRains]
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Yes. Our men and women in uniform have the same political (free) speech rights as we and corporations do.
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#2988797 - 10/19/12 09:39 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
TennesseeRains
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 Originally Posted By: NewTN Hunter
Yes. Our men and women in uniform have the same political (free) speech rights as we and corporations do.


Men and women in uniform using their own money to contribute is one thing. Implying that the Dept. of Defense, et. al. are is quite another. Oh, they may have the same rights - but Obama is making every effort that they do not get to cast their votes.
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#2988819 - 10/19/12 09:54 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TennesseeRains]
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Another Paul cult member out to help OBAMA as much as he can.

Ron Paul LOST and will RETIRE for good Dec 31, 2012.

Ron Paul has NO chance of winning one single state, not one.

Every PROTEST VOTE helps Obama.

For the last 9 months on the FAR LEFT web sites they have been telling their members to go out to the different web sites and spread the word to get people to vote for Ron Paul or write Ron Paul in to help Obama.

In 2008 between 10 and 17 MILLION Conservatives did NOT vote because it was between Obama and McCain. THIS is one thing Obama and his supporters are counting on, they are also counting on most of them to write in Ron Paul giving Obama the victory!!!!!

Romney was NOT my first pick but my NUMBER ONE disire is to get Obama out of the White House. Voting for Ron Paul will NOT do it.
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#2988901 - 10/19/12 10:43 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
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The "Whens"...

When’s

WHEN
I FINISHED READING THIS I GOT SHORT OF
BREATH….
Looking
back thru the past 4 years, many "Whens" pop up. Read them all to
better understand where we are going as a
country….

WHEN
- he refused to disclose who donated money to his election campaign, as
other candidates had done, people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN
- he received endorsements from people like Louis Farrakhan, Muramar
Kaddafi and Hugo Chavez, people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN
- it was pointed out that he was a total newcomer and had absolutely no
experience at anything except community organizing, people said it
didn't matter.

WHEN
- he chose friends and acquaintances such as Bill Ayers and Bernadine
Dohrn who were revolutionary radicals, people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN
- his voting record in the Illinois
Senate and in the U.S. Senate came into
question, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN
- he refused to wear a flag lapel pin and did so only after a public
outcry, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN
- people started treating him as a Messiah and children in schools were
taught to sing his praises, people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN
- he stood with his hands over his groin area for the playing of the
National Anthem and Pledge of Allegiance, people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN
- he surrounded himself in the White House with advisors who were
pro-gun control, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage and wanting to
curtail freedom of speech to silence the opposition, people said it
didn't matter.

WHEN
- he said he favors sex education in kindergarten, including homosexual
indoctrination, people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN
- his personal background was either scrubbed or hidden and nothing
could be found about him, people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN
- the place of his birth was called into question, and he refused to
produce a birth certificate, people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN
- he had an association in Chicago with Tony Rezco - a man of
questionable character and who is now in prison and had helped Obama to
a sweet deal on the purchase of his home - people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN
- it became known that George Soros, a multi-billionaire Marxist, spent
a ton of money to get him elected, people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN
- he started appointing White House Czars that were radicals,
revolutionaries, and even avowed Marxist /Communists, people said it
didn't matter.

WHEN - he stood before the Nation and told us that
his intentions were to "fundamentally transform this Nation" into
something else, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - it became
known that he had trained ACORN workers in Chicago and served
as an attorney for ACORN, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he
appointed cabinet members and several advisers who were tax cheats and
socialists, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he appointed a
Science Czar, John Holdren, who believes in forced abortions, mass
sterilizations and seizing babies from teen mothers, people said it
didn't matter.

WHEN - he appointed Cass Sunstein as Regulatory
Czar who believes in "Explicit Consent," harvesting human
organs without
family consent and allowing animals to be represented in court, while
banning all hunting, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he
appointed Kevin Jennings, a homosexual and organizer of a group called
Gay, Lesbian, Straight, Education Network as Safe School Czar
and it became known
that he had a history of bad advice to teenagers, people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN - he appointed Mark Lloyd as Diversity Czar who
believes in curtailing free speech, taking from one and giving to
another to spread the wealth, who supports Hugo Chavez, people said it
didn't matter.

WHEN - Valerie Jarrett, an avowed Socialist, was
selected as Obama's Senior White House Advisor, people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN - Anita Dunn, White House Communications Director,
said Mao Tse Tung was her favorite philosopher and the person
she turned
to most for inspiration, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he
appointed Carol Browner, a well known socialist as Global Warming Czar
working on Cap and Trade as the nation's largest tax, people said it
didn't matter.

WHEN - he appointed Van Jones, an ex-con and
avowed Communist as Green Energy Czar, who since had to resign
when this
was made known, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - Tom Daschle,
Obama's pick for Health and Human Services Secretary could not be
confirmed because he was a tax cheat, people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN - as President of the United States , he bowed to the King of
Saudi
Arabia , people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN - he traveled around the world criticizing
America and never once
talking of her greatness, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN -
his actions concerning the Middle East seemed to support the
Palestinians over Israel , our long time ally,
people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he took American tax dollars
to resettle thousands of Palestinians from Gaza to the United
States , people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN - he upset the Europeans by removing plans for a
missile defense system against the Russians, people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN - he played politics in Afghanistan by not sending
troops early-on when the Field Commanders said they were necessary to
win, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he started spending us
into a debt that was so big we could not pay it off, people said it
didn't matter.

WHEN - he took a huge spending bill under the
guise of stimulus and used it to pay off organizations, unions, and
individuals that got him elected, people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN - he took over insurance companies, car companies,
banks, etc., people said it didn't matter.

WHEN - he took away
student loans from the banks and put it through the government, people
said it didn't matter.

WHEN
- he designed plans to take over the health care system and
put it under
government control, people said it didn't
matter.

WHEN
- he claimed he was a Christian during the election and tapes
were later
made public that showed Obama speaking to a Muslim group and 'stating'
that he was raised a Muslim, was educated as a Muslim, and is still a
Muslim, people said it didn't matter.

WHEN
- he set into motion a plan to take over the control of all energy in
the United
States through Cap and Trade, people
said it didn't matter.

WHEN
-
he
finally completed his transformation of America into a Socialist
State , people woke
up--- but it was too late. Add these up one by one and you get a
phenomenal score that points to the fact that Barrack Hussein Obama is
determined to turn America into a
Marxist-Socialist society. All of the items in the preceding paragraphs
have been put into place. All can be documented very easily. Before you
disavow this do an Internet search. The last paragraph alone is not yet
cast in stone. You and I will write that
paragraph.

Will
it read as above or will it be a happier ending for most of America ?

Don't
just belittle the opposition. Search for the truth. We all need to pull
together or watch the demise of a free democratic society. Pray for
Americans to seek the truth and take action for it will keep us FREE.
Our biggest enemy is not China , Russia , North
Korea or Iran . Our biggest enemy is a
contingent of politicians in Washington , DC . The government
will not help, so
we need to do it ourselves.
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#2988917 - 10/19/12 10:50 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: MUP]
stick1
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Im surprised anyone would support Ron Paul, When Hell freezes 6ft thick RP will win the potus election.
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#2988932 - 10/19/12 10:58 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: stick1]
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BREAKING:

Wealthy companies give the more to Presidential candidates that those with less money!!!!!
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#2988935 - 10/19/12 11:01 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TennesseeRains]
OHVATN
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 Originally Posted By: TennesseeRains
 Originally Posted By: NewTN Hunter
Yes. Our men and women in uniform have the same political (free) speech rights as we and corporations do.


Men and women in uniform using their own money to contribute is one thing. Implying that the Dept. of Defense, et. al. are is quite another. Oh, they may have the same rights - but Obama is making every effort that they do not get to cast their votes.


Because of campaign contribution limits, the organizations do not contribute. These are contributions, "bundled" so to speak, by the employees or members of these organizations. In other words, it is not the United States Department of Defense that is/was RP's 5th largest campaign contributor. Rather, it was the DoD civilian employees and their immediate family members. Likewise, it was not the United States Army as an organization who was RP's 1st largest campaign contributor, rather it was the soldiers and their immediate family members.
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#2988950 - 10/19/12 11:12 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
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Google has always been a LBERAL supporter and has given millions of dollars to the Democrat Party and Obama.
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#2988951 - 10/19/12 11:12 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
OHVATN
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Gotta back a winner. That's what matters huh.

It's still a free country. Vote for the elitist or the banker. Two sides of the same coin. One and the same.

I'll cast my vote for liberty knowing that most will vote for Wall Street one way or the other.

I am, however, very worried about the reaction of the losing side in this election and wonder whether this Republic will endure.
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#2988965 - 10/19/12 11:24 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
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Romney is not the solid conservative that I would prefer, but to say they are one and the same is completely ridiculous.
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#2988973 - 10/19/12 11:31 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
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 Originally Posted By: NewTN Hunter
Gotta back a winner. That's what matters huh.

It's still a free country. Vote for the elitist or the banker. Two sides of the same coin. One and the same.

I'll cast my vote for liberty knowing that most will vote for Wall Street one way or the other.

I am, however, very worried about the reaction of the losing side in this election and wonder whether this Republic will endure.


All you have done here is bring up the cult again, nothing more.

You worry about the reaction of the losing side????? In a very close race when the count is so close they cannot call it offically on election night then EVERY SINGLE VOTE COUNTS. Every vote Paul gets will make it that much closer and you darn well know it. So by votingf for Paul you are HELPING the reaction of the losing side.

The only way to stop any reaction on the other side right at the very begining is for a landside.

Go ahead and HELP cause the riots by wasting your vote.
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#2989030 - 10/19/12 12:19 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
Another Paul cult member out to help OBAMA as much as he can.

Ron Paul LOST and will RETIRE for good Dec 31, 2012.

Ron Paul has NO chance of winning one single state, not one.

Every PROTEST VOTE helps Obama.

For the last 9 months on the FAR LEFT web sites they have been telling their members to go out to the different web sites and spread the word to get people to vote for Ron Paul or write Ron Paul in to help Obama.

In 2008 between 10 and 17 MILLION Conservatives did NOT vote because it was between Obama and McCain. THIS is one thing Obama and his supporters are counting on, they are also counting on most of them to write in Ron Paul giving Obama the victory!!!!!

Romney was NOT my first pick but my NUMBER ONE disire is to get Obama out of the White House. Voting for Ron Paul will NOT do it.


Couldn't have said it better.
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#2989038 - 10/19/12 12:22 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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And WHY stir up this crap again now? Paul is gone. By the very fact that he's retiring tells me he probably wouldn't give the presidency his all.

I agree with about 80% of what Paul says but he doesn't have a chance. Romney wasn't my choice but the alternative is Obama- and that's what your voting for.

Good Lord!!!!
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#2989096 - 10/19/12 12:56 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
OHVATN
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Not stirring anything up. Just pointing out who the money is backing. Don't be surprised by the outcome, whatever that may be.

I would also hazard a guess that most, if not all of you, have far more in common (and economic self interests, not to mention moral principles) with the one set of contributors than the other guys' elites and bankers. Just sayin.
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#2989122 - 10/19/12 01:11 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
TennesseeRains
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 Originally Posted By: NewTN Hunter
Not stirring anything up. Just pointing out who the money is backing. Don't be surprised by the outcome, whatever that may be.

I would also hazard a guess that most, if not all of you, have far more in common (and economic self interests, not to mention moral principles) with the one set of contributors than the other guys' elites and bankers. Just sayin.


Sure we do...however, we KNOW that any "protest vote" for Ron Paul will mean assisting Obama to get 4 four more years. To believe otherwise is naivety.
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#2989135 - 10/19/12 01:20 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TennesseeRains]
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I understand. Tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. Maybe I will undergo a voting booth conversion. But I agree with Steven Colbert that it's a choice between a man who ate a dog v a man who strapped his dog to the roof of his car. The only thing I know for certain is I'm not voting for any dog eater.
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#2989150 - 10/19/12 01:28 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
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 Originally Posted By: NewTN Hunter
I understand. Tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. Maybe I will undergo a voting booth conversion. But I agree with Steven Colbert that it's a choice between a man who ate a dog v a man who strapped his dog to the roof of his car. The only thing I know for certain is I'm not voting for any dog eater.


Oh, but a vote for Paul is exactly 1 vote closer to Obama's reelection.
So in essence it is a vote to put Obama back in office.

I'm not going to tell anyone how to vote but if you don't want your vote going toward putting Obama back in office then I would vote Romney.

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#2989156 - 10/19/12 01:30 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: huntinkev]
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The election won't be won or lost in Tennessee. Romney will win the state. If voting for Paul makes you feel better, go right ahead.
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#2989166 - 10/19/12 01:34 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: SES]
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I think there are.much more important issues to decide this election than what they have done with dogs 20 years ago.

It's what they are doing with America NOW that matters
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#2989171 - 10/19/12 01:36 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I think there are.much more important issues to decide this election than what they have done with dogs 20 years ago.

It's what they are doing with America NOW that matters


Yep!

Besides...dog is a fine meal!
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#2989173 - 10/19/12 01:36 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: SES]
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 Originally Posted By: SES
The election won't be won or lost in Tennessee. Romney will win the state. If voting for Paul makes you feel better, go right ahead.


You missed my point.

He talked about being worried about the losing supporters and what they would do.

A landslide election would put a stop to that right then and there. A CLOSE vote where they still don't know who won before daylight the day after election day will be another 2000 election and they will riot for sure. With a clear majority of votes nationwide as well as the Electoral College then they will know they were beat and nothing much will happen.

If that's what you want then by all means vote for Ron Paul with a protest vote.
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#2989183 - 10/19/12 01:40 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Wildcat]
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/money-men-top-5-donors-083936891.html

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donors-dollars-top-5-fundraisers-obama-083932698--election.html
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#2989265 - 10/19/12 02:27 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TennesseeRains]
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 Originally Posted By: TennesseeRains
 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I think there are.much more important issues to decide this election than what they have done with dogs 20 years ago.

It's what they are doing with America NOW that matters


Yep!

Besides...dog is a fine meal!


[sigh]. It was a joke. "Steven Colbert" <---- comedian.

By the way, Obama admitted eating dog. You must be a closet Obama supporter <------ good natured ribbing
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#2989323 - 10/19/12 03:00 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
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It doesn't matter who supported Ron Paul.

He's not on the ballot.

A vote for Paul at this stage of the game is a vote for zerO plain and simple.
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#2989930 - 10/19/12 10:07 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: SES]
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Unbeleavable, Sure does prove the cult mentallity of many paulys. As there are Romney and Obama cult like follwers also.

No one else will do, no one else is good enough,whats better doesnt matter, reallity,facts dont matter, they turn thier back on family and friends and country to be loyal to thier cult leader.they make up things in thier mind, so they can beleave what they do. Thats is,what cult followers do.

you have no proof, no one does, if Ron Paul could or would do what he says,just campaign rhetoric, and promises from a politician.

IF It were Obama vs Paul, Paul would have some of those same top 5 campaign contributors backing him. lol

"Gotta back a winner. That's what matters huh."

It's still a free country. Vote for the elitist or the banker. Two sides of the same coin. One and the same.

I'll cast my vote for liberty knowing that most will vote for Wall Street one way or the other."


Its reality,that simple, nothing to do with any of that.



"I am, however, very worried about the reaction of the losing side in this election and wonder whether this Republic will endure"

The only loosers from any side that we need to be worried about are the ones who dont live in the real world and worship and follow these mortal men as if they were the all mighty.Like a cult.

There's a couple in the primaries I much rather had than Romney, but i understand how things really are and work, I understand i dont always get what or everything i want and i understand that a vote for one of them could cause me to end up with 4 more of Obama, which i take any of the republicans who ran, over Obama.
Its clear, you dont care if Obama wins.
I'd hated for it to been between Obama and Paul,but i sure as heck would have pulled it for Paul, and it not have ANYTHING to do with the reason you gave, ONLY because i be praying he beat Obama. the very same reason i'll be voting for Romney as i would have Paul!
I dout theres one single person on this forum who supporting Romney for ANY one of the reasons you gave, very few in this country for that matter.
Those reasons are what you made up for yourself to beleave and justify your voting for Paul.

Vote for paul, feel good about it, but if you need to make up such BS reason as why others are voting for Romney as what you gave,and wrap yourself in words like liberty and Constitution, maybe you need to second guess yourself.

We've got TWO reason we're voting for Romney

1. this country cant take 4 more years of Obama
2. Romney not perfect, but way better than Obama, and the only REAL chance we have to make sure, we have a shot to take care of the #1 reason

P.S. I saw a billboard this week,"Obama or America, you cant have both" that was AWSOME


Edited by Dale3 (10/19/12 10:15 PM)

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#2989934 - 10/19/12 10:11 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Dale3]
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My two main reasons for voting for Romney:

1- Romney is not an Anti-Colonial America hating Marxist gun grabbing liBeRal Kenyan.

2- Supreme Court Justices.
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#2989940 - 10/19/12 10:17 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
My two main reasons for voting for Romney:

1- Romney is not an Anti-Colonial America hating Marxist gun grabbing liBeRal Kenyan.

2- Supreme Court Justices.


Heck, 1 was reason enough

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#2990239 - 10/20/12 09:22 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Dale3]
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 Originally Posted By: Dale3
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
My two main reasons for voting for Romney:

1- Romney is not an Anti-Colonial America hating Marxist gun grabbing liBeRal Kenyan.

2- Supreme Court Justices.


Heck, 1 was reason enough


I think your reasoN to vote for Romney is that he's not Obama.

By "not an Anti-Colonial America[n]", I guess you mean you are voting for Romney because he IS a colonial American or what Obama's Chicago buddies would call an imperialist. Never understood that being a colonialist was any sort of an American value. I might also add that, while Romney is not Kenyan, he most certainly is "gun grabbing," at least that's what I consider a governor who signed an assault weapons ban. Whether he's a "liBeRal" is open to question.

F rating by the NRA.
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#2990278 - 10/20/12 10:02 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
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All or nothing usually ends up being nothing.(
If it wasnt for protest votes and not voting be because of higher standards, we woukd not have gotten obama in the first place
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#2990291 - 10/20/12 10:25 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Obama is a communist. He is the worst thing to happen since Lincoln and Wilson. The three of them are the biggest enemies of our individual liberties this country has ever seen. I will vote for Romney even though I truly believe he is a socialist. His record as governor proves that. However, he is a far cry better than Oblamer.
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#2990532 - 10/20/12 02:57 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
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 Originally Posted By: NewTN Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Dale3
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
My two main reasons for voting for Romney:

1- Romney is not an Anti-Colonial America hating Marxist gun grabbing liBeRal Kenyan.

2- Supreme Court Justices.


Heck, 1 was reason enough


I think your reasoN to vote for Romney is that he's not Obama.

By "not an Anti-Colonial America[n]", I guess you mean you are voting for Romney because he IS a colonial American or what Obama's Chicago buddies would call an imperialist. Never understood that being a colonialist was any sort of an American value. I might also add that, while Romney is not Kenyan, he most certainly is "gun grabbing," at least that's what I consider a governor who signed an assault weapons ban. Whether he's a "liBeRal" is open to question.

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Watch "Obama's America 2016" and you will understand what he's talking about.

As for the NRA are you talking about Romney getting an "F"????

I have the NRA American Rifleman Nov 2012, the election issue right here in front of me. On the cover it says in big bold red letters, DEFECT OBAMA.

Below that it says, "Vote for these candisates on Nov 6",

President/Vice President
Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan

You are either so far up the Paul cult that you don't know anything that's been going on in this election outside the Paul cult or you are a liberal Obama supporter trying to get some conservatives to wirte Paul in to help Obama.
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#2990557 - 10/20/12 03:21 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
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 Originally Posted By: NewTN Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Dale3
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
My two main reasons for voting for Romney:

1- Romney is not an Anti-Colonial America hating Marxist gun grabbing liBeRal Kenyan.

2- Supreme Court Justices.


Heck, 1 was reason enough


I think your reasoN to vote for Romney is that he's not Obama.

By "not an Anti-Colonial America[n]", I guess you mean you are voting for Romney because he IS a colonial American or what Obama's Chicago buddies would call an imperialist. Never understood that being a colonialist was any sort of an American value. I might also add that, while Romney is not Kenyan, he most certainly is "gun grabbing," at least that's what I consider a governor who signed an assault weapons ban. Whether he's a "liBeRal" is open to question.

F rating by the NRA.

One thing for sure, we know exactly what Romney's nationality is. I still have doubts as to what country Obama was born in.
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#2990564 - 10/20/12 03:26 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
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 Originally Posted By: NewTN Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Dale3
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
My two main reasons for voting for Romney:

1- Romney is not an Anti-Colonial America hating Marxist gun grabbing liBeRal Kenyan.

2- Supreme Court Justices.


Heck, 1 was reason enough


I think your reasoN to vote for Romney is that he's not Obama.

By "not an Anti-Colonial America[n]", I guess you mean you are voting for Romney because he IS a colonial American or what Obama's Chicago buddies would call an imperialist. Never understood that being a colonialist was any sort of an American value. I might also add that, while Romney is not Kenyan, he most certainly is "gun grabbing," at least that's what I consider a governor who signed an assault weapons ban. Whether he's a "liBeRal" is open to question.

F rating by the NRA.



I voted for Ron Paul in the Primary but I am intelligent enough to know Obomber getting re-elected will be the end of America as we know it.
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#2991086 - 10/20/12 09:45 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: NewTN Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Dale3
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
My two main reasons for voting for Romney:

1- Romney is not an Anti-Colonial America hating Marxist gun grabbing liBeRal Kenyan.

2- Supreme Court Justices.


Heck, 1 was reason enough


I think your reasoN to vote for Romney is that he's not Obama.

By "not an Anti-Colonial America[n]", I guess you mean you are voting for Romney because he IS a colonial American or what Obama's Chicago buddies would call an imperialist. Never understood that being a colonialist was any sort of an American value. I might also add that, while Romney is not Kenyan, he most certainly is "gun grabbing," at least that's what I consider a governor who signed an assault weapons ban. Whether he's a "liBeRal" is open to question.

F rating by the NRA.



I voted for Ron Paul in the Primary but I am intelligent enough to know Obomber getting re-elected will be the end of America as we know it.


Thank you very much Fltennhunter.
Most all us had someone else in mind as thats what a primary for, but then you got to live in the real world,like it or not, realize you dont always get what you want in life, and put on your big boy britches, get real knowing that its one or the other at this point, and of those two who would you rather see as POTUS?

Like I've said, vote for Paul, Rosey or whoever, and feel good about it, but if your having to make up reason in your own mind as to why others are voting for Romney, then your the only one who beleaves that and needs to beleave it, so you can feel good about wasting your vote on them.

To me this election just like that billboard, "Obama or America, you cant have both"!

All i can do is throw my money,my support and most of all my vote, behind who has the best chance to make sure its America.

I wouldnt waste a vote on my own blood bother this election. to much at stake. I be backing whoever had the best chance to make sure obama gone and America still here.


Edited by Dale3 (10/20/12 09:50 PM)

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#2991584 - 10/21/12 12:03 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: MUP]
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#2992209 - 10/21/12 08:10 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: bassinbrian]
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The purpose of the post was not an attempt to persuade anyone to vote for Ron Paul. I'm not voting again for Ron Paul. That campaign is lost. Money talks. That is the point of the post. And you better start listening and better yet, preparing.

No, I am not a cult member (although some of your pastors may consider Mr. Romney to be). Perhaps I am a Don Quixote tilting at windmills, but should my vote be one of the many that happen to be the margin of difference between the prevailing party and the losing party, then maybe, just maybe, a message to power will have been sent. A message that at least a substantial enough segment of the American people refuse to vote once again for the lesser of two evils, as they perceive them to be. A message that only faith to the best interests of all of the American people, not just the monied and powerful, will get you elected and that there must be true change. This election reminds me of 1856 and I shudder to think of 2016 and where this nation will find itself, regardless of which puppet is elected.

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#2992320 - 10/21/12 08:53 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
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For God's sake vote for Abraham Lincoln. You might as well and that will be your protest vote. All protest votes HELP Obama and the Democrats ARE COUNTING ON IT. That is why they send out their supporters to try to get as many people to make as many protest votes as possible, each and everyone of them help Obama.

I don't believe you ever know much about Ron Paul. There are several of Paul supporters on here and they are far more informed than you. Some of them went to Romney once it was clear he was going to win. you don't know what the flim Obama's America 2016 is about. I'll bet you really are or have already voted for Obama and are now trying to turn some people off Romney.


Unless the message is a clear MAJORITY they will laugh at the wasted protest votes. Look at history. The ONLY REAL protest votes came in after they had been worked on for several YEARS not 2 weeks before the election. Between 10 and 17 MILLION conservatives did NOT vote in 2008, they protested the two people running. THEY got us Obama.
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#2992350 - 10/21/12 09:06 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Wildcat]
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I voted for Ron Paul in the primary and being a gracious loser I am staunchly supporting Romney. The choice is clear in 2012.

Further, Romney has earned my respect because he has flat taken it to Obama in these debates.

He'll be 10 times the President Obama has been.
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#2992409 - 10/21/12 09:36 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
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 Originally Posted By: NewTN Hunter
The purpose of the post was not an attempt to persuade anyone to vote for Ron Paul. I'm not voting again for Ron Paul. That campaign is lost. Money talks. That is the point of the post. And you better start listening and better yet, preparing.

No, I am not a cult member (although some of your pastors may consider Mr. Romney to be). Perhaps I am a Don Quixote tilting at windmills, but should my vote be one of the many that happen to be the margin of difference between the prevailing party and the losing party, then maybe, just maybe, a message to power will have been sent. A message that at least a substantial enough segment of the American people refuse to vote once again for the lesser of two evils, as they perceive them to be. A message that only faith to the best interests of all of the American people, not just the monied and powerful, will get you elected and that there must be true change. This election reminds me of 1856 and I shudder to think of 2016 and where this nation will find itself, regardless of which puppet is elected.

"The time is coming when men and women will not accept the whole of the gospel. They will want things that please them, and they will collect teachers who will tell them what they want to hear. They will no longer listen to the truth, but will wander off after man-made fictions. For yourself, stand fast in all that you are doing, meeting whatever hardship this may involve. Witness to the word and fulfill the work that God has given to you." 2 Timothy 4:3-5.


I shudder to think of 2016 and where this nation will find itself, regardless of which puppet is elected.

Commen sense would tell you,your better off with the leser of two evils as you call them and find yourself in a much better place in 2016, where you stll have a much better chance to get to where and how you want things to be

Your making up excusses, to try to assure your way of thinking. So you need to ignore commen sense and reality to do so.

Trust me your not persuading anyone here. It was Ron Paul supporters as yourself, that turned many off for Ron Paul.

Ron Paul himself would be turned off by your way of thinking.

Have yourself a blessed day my friend




I think Romneys best line in the 2008 primarys was when he was asked about his religion. His reply, I beleave im the only one on stage who had just one wife!


Edited by Dale3 (10/21/12 10:29 PM)

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#2992949 - 10/22/12 09:54 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Dale3]
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Thanks NTH for bringing Ron Paul back up. Several of the usual Ron Paul bashers haven't had the opportunity to retype their same posts and were probably needing a their liberty bashing fix.


 Originally Posted By: Dale3

Trust me your not persuading anyone here. It was Ron Paul supporters as yourself, that turned many off for Ron Paul.

Ron Paul himself would be turned off by your way of thinking.


Yes, Ron Paul supporters do heinous acts like compare his policies, principles, and voting record to the other establishment candidates. It's despicable to bring facts to a political debate and a huge turn off!




 Originally Posted By: Dale3

I think Romneys best line in the 2008 primarys was when he was asked about his religion. His reply, I beleave im the only one on stage who had just one wife!



How many wives do you think Ron Paul has had? He's been married to the same woman since 1957.
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#2993030 - 10/22/12 10:53 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: de novo]
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Thanks NTH for bringing Ron Paul back up. Several of the usual Ron Paul bashers haven't had the opportunity to retype their same posts and were probably needing a their liberty bashing fix.


 Originally Posted By: Dale3

Trust me your not persuading anyone here. It was Ron Paul supporters as yourself, that turned many off for Ron Paul.

Ron Paul himself would be turned off by your way of thinking.


Yes, Ron Paul supporters do heinous acts like compare his policies, principles, and voting record to the other establishment candidates. It's despicable to bring facts to a political debate and a huge turn off!




 Originally Posted By: Dale3

I think Romneys best line in the 2008 primarys was when he was asked about his religion. His reply, I beleave im the only one on stage who had just one wife!



How many wives do you think Ron Paul has had? He's been married to the same woman since 1957.


Novacaine, its a fact, many Ron Paul supporters were his biggest problem and turn off.
Paul had supporters, but he also had Paulys. Theres a BIG differents, and the Paulys cost him and turned people off. Paul supporters will tell you themselves, paulys hurt him and turned people off.
What you said is NOT what i was reffering to and you know it. You just proved it for me,thanks.

Wow, yes Paul has had only one wife, BUT he was not on the stage that night! \:o

Point was they went after Romney for his religion, and he stumped them with his response.
It would have been a great line for "anyone" due to question and where they were taking it.

It was funny, a great come back line that stumped them.

I was no Romney supporter in 2008, but i can appreciate a good line/comeback regaurdless of who says it. Good zingers are good zingers. Something Paulys cant do, thier to closed minded

Sorry you couldnt see it or get it, or appreciate it for your blinders.


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#2993099 - 10/22/12 11:42 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Dale3]
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Watch out Novocaine. You will soon be branded a cult member.

You are obviously uninformed as you also obviously do not get your information solely from Faux News (or MSNBS).

Your critical and independent thinking and understanding of what really is a fiscally responsible and constitutionally limited government simply has no place among modern political discourse.
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#2993134 - 10/22/12 12:12 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
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iF yOur a PuB, TheN
vOte yOU'rE COnScIeNCe.

iF yOuR A LiBTArd, ThEN
bE SUrE TO vOtE (D)!!!!!
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#2993140 - 10/22/12 12:15 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
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THAT is exactly what is wrong with most Ron Paul voters.
Because the truck they chose to hitch their wagon to doesn't have the gas to finish the trip, they call every one else who pulled out ahead "sell outs" or not true conservatives.

It's not that we don't understand limited government. It's that we understand that goal and a long road it will be to get there. There is no instant solution or one-step process.

You would rather call it quits when your guy doesn't make the cut. We will take the tools we have to work with and make steps towards returning this country to it's founding principles. It won't happen in one election. Too many people are not ready for it.

You go ahead and cast your protest votes and insult your fellow conservatives who recognize your non-starter of a candidate as a dead horse and we will keep on keeping on with our candidate who is within striking distance of the White House.

Romney may not be the beat all conservative that we'd prefer, but he's a heck of a lot closer to making some needed changes than Ron Paul.
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#2993164 - 10/22/12 12:26 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Bravo, CL !!
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#2993194 - 10/22/12 12:49 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Greg .]
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Faux news? Good grief.

Another libtar(D) pretending to be something else.
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#2993226 - 10/22/12 01:11 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Greg .]
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I really know who I'm voting against.
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#2993645 - 10/22/12 04:55 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
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 Originally Posted By: NewTN Hunter
Watch out Novocaine. You will soon be branded a cult member.

You are obviously uninformed as you also obviously do not get your information solely from Faux News (or MSNBS).

Your critical and independent thinking and understanding of what really is a fiscally responsible and constitutionally limited government simply has no place among modern political discourse.


Wrong again.

Novocaine has already been though this all year. he's the one that said that Paul's supporters were the "only true conservatives" and that made for the "Only True Conservative Cult"

By posting stuff like being the "only true conservative" it was easy for him to turn people off. He was looking down his noxe at other conservatives like they were nothing, that is what trie members of a cult does.

Paul LOST and is RETIRING Dec 31, 2012.

People have been talking about it ever since Paul LOST. The cult members have put on a (what another TnDeer member affectionately called) scorched earth policy since Paul LOST. They want to burn all ties with any other Republicans and other conservatives and help Obama. to them it's Paul or nothing.
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#2993653 - 10/22/12 05:00 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: BMan]
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
Faux news? Good grief.

Another libtar(D) pretending to be something else.


Yep, no conservative has ever called Fox News Faux news. No where on Ron Pauls web site have they ever used the word Fux News, only in far left wing web sites and talk forums. he doesn't know anything about Ron Paul and the NRA thing was very old news, go to the NRA web site and they are 100% FOR Romney. He's a liberal Democrat and Obama supporter.
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#2993681 - 10/22/12 05:20 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: NewTN Hunter
Watch out Novocaine. You will soon be branded a cult member.


Been there, done that.


 Originally Posted By: Dale3


Novacaine, its a fact, many Ron Paul supporters were his biggest problem and turn off.
Paul had supporters, but he also had Paulys. Theres a BIG differents, and the Paulys cost him and turned people off. Paul supporters will tell you themselves, paulys hurt him and turned people off.
What you said is NOT what i was reffering to and you know it. You just proved it for me,thanks.


Your posts are generally short on facts. It's a fact why? Because you say so.

I'm sure it would make for a better debate experience for you for Paul's supporters to just take the mistruths and assorted fallacies spouted out on here instead of correcting them. Don't let the actions of those defending him affect your judgement of the Congressman.

 Originally Posted By: Dale3

Wow, yes Paul has had only one wife, BUT he was not on the stage that night! \:o

Point was they went after Romney for his religion, and he stumped them with his response.
It would have been a great line for "anyone" due to question and where they were taking it.

It was funny, a great come back line that stumped them.

I was no Romney supporter in 2008, but i can appreciate a good line/comeback regaurdless of who says it. Good zingers are good zingers. Something Paulys cant do, thier to closed minded

Sorry you couldnt see it or get it, or appreciate it for your blinders.


If Romney used that line in a debate you should be able to find it. In order for it to be true, it would have to be in a debate that Ron Paul, Mike Huckabee, or Sam Brownback were all not in. A similar quote was attributed to Ann Romney in an interview during that campaign, though.




 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck

Romney may not be the beat all conservative that we'd prefer, but he's a heck of a lot closer to making some needed changes than Ron Paul.



Only time will tell. Romney has the potential to be a great President that truly restores our country. He also has the potential to be a total disappointment - a moderate to liberal establishment sell out. He has been a completely honorable and devout man in his personal life by all accounts. Accounts of his political and business actions portray a less principled man. Again, only time will tell.

I would have preferred that the original post had excluded the section about Ron Paul and instead just compared Romney to Obama.

I do agree with MUP on this though - I definitely know who I'm voting against!
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#2993714 - 10/22/12 05:49 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: de novo]
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Ron Paul has some very excellent positions. Unfortunately he isn't a good enough communicator to get complex issues across clearly in our 5 second sound bite media.

Instead of pouting and throwing a tantrum, Pauly's should be taking the policy positions that are winners grouping together and beating that one drum over and over until it becomes a mainstream issue.

I think Pauls biggest weakness (and best attribute) is that he wants to change everything at once. That is going to be a looser of a proposition in almost any election.

His position on the FED gained enough ground to get a bill passed to Audit the fed. Score!

Instead of hammering this one issue to its conclusion, you have legalizing drugs and a bunch of other stuff distracting from the good work he has done.
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#2993781 - 10/22/12 06:49 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: fishboy1]
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Ron Paul opened my eyes that's for sure. He's one of the most important political figures to come around in a while. Hard to find a proven honest politician these days. Those two on the ballot sure wont be, but that's how they rig it to steal tax $$$.

Baaah Baaaaaaaaah sheeple.

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#2993812 - 10/22/12 07:06 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: BowGirl]
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I like Paul but he's done. Therefore, the Kenyan must be done away with. That has yet to happen. He and his ilk are not above cheating to maintain office.
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#2993861 - 10/22/12 07:26 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: 348Winchester]
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This election is about saving America. Ron Paul, even with his good ideas, cannot save America. Romney might. Taking one's eye off the target at this point will only endanger America further. I am voting to save America, and that means I am voting against Obama and for Romney.

The failure of the Paul supporters to see this only taints Paul's reputation. They are doing him no favors, and they are endangering America. Put America ahead of Ron Paul and vote for Romney. It is our, and our children's, only hope.
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#2993905 - 10/22/12 07:42 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: 348Winchester]
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I liked Ross Perot as well as Ron Paul ideas, everything they stand for is plausible. Realisticly it will not happen at this time. If you really want something to be different you have to change yourself first.
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#2994048 - 10/22/12 08:33 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: citico_tim]
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 Originally Posted By: citico_tim
This election is about saving America. Ron Paul, even with his good ideas, cannot save America. Romney might. Taking one's eye off the target at this point will only endanger America further. I am voting to save America, and that means I am voting against Obama and for Romney.

The failure of the Paul supporters to see this only taints Paul's reputation. They are doing him no favors, and they are endangering America. Put America ahead of Ron Paul and vote for Romney. It is our, and our children's, only hope.


Well said.
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#2995368 - 10/23/12 02:39 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: AndyW]
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I've been guilty of voting for the "lesser evil" up until this point. What do we have to show for it?

BOTH major party candidates support:

1. Abortion
2. Gun control
3. NDAA
4. Government bailouts
5. PATRIOT act
6. SOCIALIZED medicine

How's voting for the evil worked for us up to this point? It's gotten us into this mess-that's how.

I'm not voting for Paul because he's not on the ballot, but I'm certainly not voting for candidates who support those items above.
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#2995453 - 10/23/12 03:24 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TX300mag]
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This is what we have to show for it since 1968:

1968 - Nixon (R)
1972 - Nixon (R)
1976 - Carter (D)
1980 - Reagan (R)
1984 - Reagan (R)
1988 - Bush (R)
1992 - Clinton (D)
1996 - Clinton (D)
2000 - Bush (R)
2004 - Bush (R)
2008 - Obama (D)

Einstein's definition of (collective, national) insanity.

We all deserve a better reason to vote for a candidate for president than [this guy] is not as bad as [that guy].
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#2995461 - 10/23/12 03:28 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: OHVATN]
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The primaries are an excellent time to choose a different candidate.

Oct. 23rd in a bit late for that ;\)
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#2995493 - 10/23/12 03:47 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
The primaries are an excellent time to choose a different candidate.

Oct. 23rd in a bit late for that ;\)



\:D

I've actually been decided on my candidate for a while now. I didn't vote for him in the primaries, either.
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#2995500 - 10/23/12 03:54 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TX300mag]
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\:D

Ted Nugent didn't run this year?
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#2995580 - 10/23/12 04:39 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TX300mag]
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 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
I've been guilty of voting for the "lesser evil" up until this point. What do we have to show for it?

BOTH major party candidates support:

1. Abortion
2. Gun control
3. NDAA
4. Government bailouts
5. PATRIOT act
6. SOCIALIZED medicine

How's voting for the evil worked for us up to this point? It's gotten us into this mess-that's how.

I'm not voting for Paul because he's not on the ballot, but I'm certainly not voting for candidates who support those items above.




SO if your not voting for one of them, im guessing maybe a Gary Johnson your voting for?
If so, how is that not also voting for who you beleave is the lesser of evils?

Who votes for who they beleave is the more evil?

Or maybe these tags of lesser evil /sell out or whatever are just tags people come up with who cant justify what their doing and how they think?

Why is it people voting for Romney are not voting for who they beleave is better and will do the best job.

Im sure if your voting for Gary Johnson, you must not think your voting for the lesser evil, you said you wernt doing that anymore, but isnt that exactly what your doing?

Im voting for who i beleave is the best or better or less evil ever how you want to label it,and who has the best chance to get rid of the most evil or worst or... and proud of it.

I've never know anyone to vote for who they believed to be the worst or most evil

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#2995636 - 10/23/12 05:19 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
:D

Ted Nugent didn't run this year?


I can see Ted now, standing in the Rose Garden, hair blowing in the wind, gun on his side and a smoker in the background with some backstrap cooking and a bow target on the east lawn

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#2995703 - 10/23/12 06:04 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Dale3]
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Wrong again, Dale3. \:\)

YOU may have to justify voting for a candidate who SUPPORTS:
1. Abortion
2. Gun control
3. NDAA
4. Government bailouts
5. SOCIALIZED medicine

I can vote for the candidate I'm voting for because he OPPOSED all of the above.

I'll sleep very well after casting my vote.
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#2995770 - 10/23/12 06:52 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TX300mag]
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 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
Wrong again, Dale3. \:\)

YOU may have to justify voting for a candidate who SUPPORTS:
1. Abortion
2. Gun control
3. NDAA
4. Government bailouts
5. SOCIALIZED medicine

I can vote for the candidate I'm voting for because he OPPOSED all of the above.

I'll sleep very well after casting my vote.



I will sleep just fine too knowing that I did my part to help keep Obama out of office. Others will sleep well knowing that they did their best to keep Obama in office just like they did 4 years ago.
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#2995859 - 10/23/12 07:54 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TX300mag]
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 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
Wrong again, Dale3. \:\)

YOU may have to justify voting for a candidate who SUPPORTS:
1. Abortion
2. Gun control
3. NDAA
4. Government bailouts
5. SOCIALIZED medicine

I can vote for the candidate I'm voting for because he OPPOSED all of the above.

I'll sleep very well after casting my vote.



OMG! I just figured it out. You're writing in Fishboy! \:D
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#2995899 - 10/23/12 08:09 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: AndyW]
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ABO.

Shoot, I'd vote for Clinton if he and Barry were my only two choices.

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#2996004 - 10/23/12 09:03 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: AndyW]
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 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
Wrong again, Dale3. \:\)

YOU may have to justify voting for a candidate who SUPPORTS:
1. Abortion
2. Gun control
3. NDAA
4. Government bailouts
5. SOCIALIZED medicine

I can vote for the candidate I'm voting for because he OPPOSED all of the above.

I'll sleep very well after casting my vote.



OMG! I just figured it out. You're writing in Fishboy! \:D


I really pushed for a Crappie Luck/Fishboy ticket in '08, but they wouldn't challenge Palin at the time. \:\)

Just because it has (R) beside it doesn't meain it's conservative.
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#2996012 - 10/23/12 09:06 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TX300mag]
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Too many skeletons in my closet \:D
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#2996031 - 10/23/12 09:21 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Crappie Luck]
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By the way, you were right on my find yesterday. \:D
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#2996049 - 10/23/12 09:29 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TX300mag]
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No kidding? Lucky guess
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#2996205 - 10/23/12 11:53 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Crappie Luck]
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One may think why they are voting before they chose to not vote for a viable canadate. I hear you say you are not voting for the lesser of two evils but if too many hold that opinion we will end up with the greater of the two evils. Now I understand the frustration of not getting a good person in the primaries but you need to look at the bigger pic if Romney wins the country will shift away from the socialist ways if o wins it will be pedal to the metal off the clif
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#2996280 - 10/24/12 06:19 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TX300mag]
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 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
Wrong again, Dale3. \:\)

YOU may have to justify voting for a candidate who SUPPORTS:
1. Abortion
2. Gun control
3. NDAA
4. Government bailouts
5. SOCIALIZED medicine

I can vote for the candidate I'm voting for because he OPPOSED all of the above.

I'll sleep very well after casting my vote.



Thats what i said. You are voting for whom you believe is the lesser of the evils. Are you not?

If not, the only other choice would be your voting for who you believe to be more evil.
I dont think you are, nor anyone has or would do that!

Or you can play on words and say your voting for whom you beleave is the best person or better person, over who you beleave is the worst person. Which is the same as the lesser of the evils.

No, i got it exactly right \:\)
As i said, no one votes for whom they believe is the the more evil or worse person

Even Obama supportes truely believe thier voting for the lesser of the evils or the best person.

Just wondering, whom in this election would you least like to see run this country for the next four years?
Who do you beleave would be the worst of those running for this country if elected?
Who do you believe is the most evil of those running?

Oh, i also sleep very well after casting my vote, cause i live in reality and realize there is no such thing as the prefect mortal human.
I've lived long enough to know you dont change things like this over night/one election, it took many to get off track.
I lived long enough to know you got to look at the big picture and not just yours to get there.
I know in order to get things like i want them, i got to deal with others who i dont agree with 100% and apppeal to them also.
You wanted Paul, i wanted Cain or Newt or a Cain/ Newt.
You, nor me got it!
What we both wanted was MAJOR game changers. we were both tired of the BS. It didnt happen.
Obama is by far worst than any of them, and you know it.
Romney was my last choice, but he be a millon times better than another 4 of a Obama.
We have a system, and it works, it just didnt work like you or i wanted it too this time either. that sux, but its how it is, your giving up, i'm not!
Your giving up, cause you feel hopeless. I'm NOT, four more years of Obama may be to late for what we both want.
This is the wrong election to give up hope. This is the election to make a stand and vote Obama out after only 4, and hope Romney proves him wrong. Then we both live to fight another day for how it should be.


Edited by Dale3 (10/24/12 06:31 AM)

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#2996287 - 10/24/12 06:30 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Dale3]
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Don't forget that these guys are DEPENDING on us to vote Obama out while they can claim that they are holier that thou by voting for someone else.

They are hiding behind the Electoral College knowing full well that their states will go for Romney. In the states that are going for Obama they claim that no mater what they do it will not be enough so they will vote for whoever or just stay home and say that the two on the ballot are not worth it.
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#2996346 - 10/24/12 07:12 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Wildcat]
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It's very simple. The GOP establishment knows you all will vote for whoever they tell you too, regardless of their governing/voting history. THAT's why we end up with candidates like Romney and McCain on the ballot. And as long as you sit and lick their feet, DO NOT expect a legitimate candidate anytime soon.
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#2996362 - 10/24/12 07:21 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TX300mag]
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 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
It's very simple. The GOP establishment knows you all will vote for whoever they tell you too, regardless of their governing/voting history. THAT's why we end up with candidates like Romney and McCain on the ballot. And as long as you sit and lick their feet, DO NOT expect a legitimate candidate anytime soon.



The only way that can happen is by rigging the state primaries, ALL the different state primaries.
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#2996369 - 10/24/12 07:24 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TX300mag]
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 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
It's very simple. The GOP establishment knows you all will vote for whoever they tell you too, regardless of their governing/voting history. THAT's why we end up with candidates like Romney and McCain on the ballot. And as long as you sit and lick their feet, DO NOT expect a legitimate candidate anytime soon.



I didn't vote for McCain.

We got the most dangerous man the Republic has ever seen in office.

I'd vote for the hairy mole on my dogs hind-end to get that no-good Communist out. What I'm not going to do - at this point - is whine that I didn't get my pick.
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#2996622 - 10/24/12 09:52 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TX300mag]
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 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
It's very simple. The GOP establishment knows you all will vote for whoever they tell you too, regardless of their governing/voting history. THAT's why we end up with candidates like Romney and McCain on the ballot. And as long as you sit and lick their feet, DO NOT expect a legitimate candidate anytime soon.

Really? Gee, I feel bad because I didn't vote for Romney in the primary; I guess I didn't get the GOP memo.

The fact of the matter is, the primary is where you vote your conscience, and Paul got his keister handed to him. In the general election you vote to win. NO candidate is ever going to be 100% acceptable to most people, but some ARE less dangerous.

Vote your conscience and throw the lever for Paul; if/when zerO wins, be happy knowing you're responsible and make sure everyone knows you voted FOR Paul and AGAINST America.
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#2996711 - 10/24/12 10:53 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: BMan]
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Not voting for Paul, you would've seen that if you would've read.

I'm NOT voting against America. I'm voting against (again):
1. Government bailouts
2. Abortion
3. NDAA
4. Gun control
5. Socialized medicine

That may be the America you are pursuing (and voting for) Bman, but it's NOT mine.
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#2996738 - 10/24/12 11:03 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TX300mag]
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It boils down to one thing: a vote at this point for anyone but Romney is essentially a vote for zerO.

Sugar coat it any way you like, but a vote for zerO in any way, whether directly for him or for a 3rd party candidate that strips vote away from Romney, is indeed a vote AGAINST America.

if zerO wins, be loud and proud when you let everyone know you're partially responsible.
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#2997300 - 10/24/12 04:53 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TX300mag]
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 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
It's very simple. The GOP establishment knows you all will vote for whoever they tell you too, regardless of their governing/voting history. THAT's why we end up with candidates like Romney and McCain on the ballot. And as long as you sit and lick their feet, DO NOT expect a legitimate candidate anytime soon.


Humm , no i didnt vote for Romney in primary, nor did you. So no, you nor i voted for who the GOP wanted us too.
Your wrong again.
Thats all we can do, the system works. Its very simple alright, we got out voted. We got beat, like it or not.

Now you put on your big boy britches and move on to the next part of the system. You knew thats how it worked before you played the game.

A legitimate candidate as you call it, will never win. Thats someone who believes what you do and how and what you want, no exceptions.
Thats very unrealistic expectations.

The voting base for such a person is not big enough to win. People are to different, some will have the same priorities as you, some will have some of your priorities,some will have different priorities than you, but not all, and not enough.

In politics, you can not win by just apppealing to one group of people and what they want and think. You have to spread yourself out,give and take and flex, or you might as well not bother running, cause there will not be a base of one grouop big enough to get you elected.

Like i've asked you beofore, who in thier right mind would vote for or help out who the believe is the worst or most evil candidate?
When have you ever know anyone who didnt vote for who they believed to be the better or less evil candidate or ever how you want to lable it?

It so funny that your trying to argue that your not. sure you are, its ok, your suppose too. lol


Edited by Dale3 (10/24/12 05:43 PM)

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#2997781 - 10/24/12 09:03 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Greg .]
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iF yOur a PuB, TheN pLEaSe
vOte yOU'rE COnScIeNCe.

iF yOuR A LiBTArd, ThEN
bE SUrE TO vOtE fOr OuR
kEnYaN !!!!!

;\)
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#2997838 - 10/24/12 09:30 PM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: Greg .]
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Nope. Can't vote for a big-government, gun grabbing, baby killing, bailout, father of socialized medicine and master of flip-flop. But that's just me. \:\) I understand principals factor in differently with different people, though. To each his own.
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#2998045 - 10/25/12 06:21 AM Re: Understand who you are voting for [Re: TX300mag]
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At least you'll be ideologically pure as the world - and your childrens' futures - crumbles around you...
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