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#2982434 - 10/15/12 11:58 AM Re: deer farming vote postponed [Re: youngandfree]
JARHEAD
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 Originally Posted By: youngandfree
We already farm bees, rabbits, turkey, dove, quail, pheasant, buffalo and other animals for human use, whether it be for pets, meat, or hobby. Why not deer?
I believe this is a private property rights issue. If I want to fence my land and toy with raising deer, or whatever, I should be allowed to do it.
EHD has killed huge numbers in our state. Why are we so worried about CWD and the minimal numbers it has affected over the years, but seem to accept EHD as a normal occurrence?
I cant seem to follow the TWRA train of thought on this. We have Wild Hogs expanding all over this state even faster since they made it difficult for landowners and those who hunt them , which they claim in their hunting guide isn't even safe to eat because of all the disease they have and spread (let me quit laughing at that theory, knowing full well MANY states out west actually allow wild boar that are caught to be sold to MAIN STREAM PORK PRODUCERS that sell COMMERCIALLY) yet they wont allow them to be hunted effectively here and have actually helped them expand and become more prolific.
Yet they want to stop a private landowner from fencing his land and raising deer based on the THEORY that a single disease might possibly be spread? I am still scratching my head.
Good post
Sounds like OBAMA wrote the Hog regs in the hunting guide doesnt it \:D
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#3074053 - 12/11/12 10:09 AM Re: deer farming vote postponed [Re: JARHEAD]
contendershooter
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the deer farming issue is a two way street...overall from the aerial view, I am against it because there is too much room for deer to be brought in from another state to get the private property owners herd up, which could introduce disease, because that would be the simple way of doing things. But as stated I agree that if a farmer owns property, (which with all of the taxes, do we ever REALLY own anything?) then if they want to farm deer, why not? Maybe it should be done on a trial basis and highly monitored and if it doesn't seem productive, then can the idea.

And on the wild hog issue, if I am not mistaken, they were taken off as game and basically listed as nuisance animals correct? According to page 31 of the 2012-2013 hunting guide you can kill them year around...what is the problem with this and if people are wanting to kill hogs, this is more liberal rules than having them governed by a season, no?

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#3105342 - 01/01/13 11:35 PM Re: deer farming vote postponed [Re: youngandfree]
Monty
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 Originally Posted By: youngandfree
CWD is akin to the big bird and swine flu scare. It made a lot of scientists rich, and sent a lot of Federal $$ to colleges and research institutions all over the country.

Create a crisis, and milk it for all it is worth.


Please, research the costs to taxpayers to try to clean up CWD infected captive & wild w-t deer herds. The operators bear NO liability for what has cost taxpayers million$. EHD is cyclic - CWD is not.
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#3105347 - 01/01/13 11:50 PM Re: deer farming vote postponed [Re: contendershooter]
Monty
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 Originally Posted By: contendershooter
...if they want to farm deer, why not? Maybe it should be done on a trial basis and highly monitored and if it doesn't seem productive, then can the idea.


The "why not" answer is w-t deer are illegal for an individual to own in Tennessee - we still honor the public trust doctrine that has been a hallmark of our Nation's wildlife management programs for generations. Another reason is the captive w-t deer are raised almost exclusively for genetic "enhancement" to improve their "trophy" status. Most often hand fed in small enclosures and shot (not hunted) in these pens - sometimes drugged to make it easier on the high-paying shooter.

And on the wild hog issue, if I am not mistaken, they were taken off as game and basically listed as nuisance animals correct? According to page 31 of the 2012-2013 hunting guide you can kill them year around...what is the problem with this and if people are wanting to kill hogs, this is more liberal rules than having them governed by a season, no?

Dead on right. Evidence indicated that some hog hunters were responsible for expanding the populations into other areas of the State. These non-contiguous pockets of hogs were found far enough away from other hogs to pretty well negate the possibility of natural migration. And, yes, the regs are more liberal.
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#3107046 - 01/03/13 05:16 AM Re: deer farming vote postponed [Re: Monty]
deerhunter10
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I do not see anything wrong with it. while I will never hunt in a high fence I still think if you want to farm deer then do it. there is a lot of money in deer farming in reality it could help the Tennessee economy. the diseases and things really are not there like yal think. people that farm deer keep there herd pretty clean. in fact a free ranging herd probably has more of a chance in getting a diseases then a private herd. I hope they pass it. A bunch of states have been very successful at deer farming I see no harm in it.
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#3107056 - 01/03/13 05:35 AM Re: deer farming vote postponed [Re: deerhunter10]
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The danger of importing diseases along with the deer far outweighs any benefit the state would see from his enterprise. These diseases can not be contained in the captive herd.

The states with successful deer farming operations are few and far between. Look at Wisconsin and see what kind of problems their deer farming has caused for their free ranging deer herd.

Deer farming reminds me a lot of the Emu, Ostrich and other farms that turned out to be nothing but a shell game. Look at where these farms get the majority of their income. If it was not for other farms buying their products (semen and live deer)none of them would be profitable.
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#3107146 - 01/03/13 06:57 AM Re: deer farming vote postponed [Re: Beekeeper]
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Alabama texas and pa all have done very well.
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#3107148 - 01/03/13 06:57 AM Re: deer farming vote postponed [Re: deerhunter10]
deerhunter10
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And Ohio
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#3107165 - 01/03/13 07:16 AM Re: deer farming vote postponed [Re: deerhunter10]
Beekeeper
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Look at the illegal activities of some of the top deer farms in TX.
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#3108125 - 01/03/13 06:58 PM Re: deer farming vote postponed [Re: Beekeeper]
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Here is a site everyone should look at

http://www.cwd-info.org/index.php/fuseaction/news.detail/ID/2ca586ff9bb3b53783918928a2bf6f03
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