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#2981123 - 10/14/12 03:37 PM Finding Rubs
Mike Belt
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Typically in most of the places I've hunted I usually find rubs before I start finding any scrapes. This will be my 7th year hunting Ames and just the opposite is happening there. I start off finding a few scrapes before I start finding any rubs. Much of the time I don't really start finding rubs until well into the season from mid November on. This is usually weeks after the bucks have lost their velvet so the rubbing I'm finding has nothing to do with the sheddng of velvet (not that it ever really does anyway). I can understand the surge in testosterone creating the desire to rub on trees as the rut approaches but I wonder why elsewhere I find alot of rubbing earlier than at Ames. Anyone have any guesses?
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#2981130 - 10/14/12 03:43 PM Re: Finding Rubs [Re: Mike Belt]
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Nope. Usually rubbing peaks before scraping does, but it is hit or miss as to which I find first. Now, big rubs usually appear before big scrapes, but I've found the half-hearted types of both fairly early in the season.

Just found my first really big rubs this last Friday (10/12). I know for a fact those rubs weren't there the previous Saturday (10/6).
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#2981223 - 10/14/12 04:58 PM Re: Finding Rubs [Re: BSK]
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Mr. Belt,
I'm just a little bit east of you guys at Ames and haven't found the first rub yet. Not sure what to think.

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#2981310 - 10/14/12 05:45 PM Re: Finding Rubs [Re: Boll Weevil]
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I aint fount nuthin even looks like a rub cept an old lightin strucked tree.
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#2981351 - 10/14/12 06:12 PM Re: Finding Rubs [Re: bowriter]
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I've found one rub so far and no scrapes yet.

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#2981387 - 10/14/12 06:29 PM Re: Finding Rubs [Re: ROVERBOY]
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I've found some rubs but no scrapes.
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#2981622 - 10/14/12 08:22 PM Re: Finding Rubs [Re: Bone Collector]
Diehard Hunter
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I found one rub today and three scrapes at catoosa. The rub was on a decent sized tree, but was only a half hearted attempt. Not really torn up yet. Two of the scrapes were half hearted, but one looked fairly serious. Good size with an overhanging branch broken all to pieces.
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#2982670 - 10/15/12 03:06 PM Re: Finding Rubs [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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The unusual behavior at Ames could be due to the balanced buck to doe ratio with plenty of mature bucks in the mix. I have seen more scrapes than rubs so far at Ames. I think the mature bucks know they have to start earlier and earlier to establish their pecking order even before velvet strip.
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#2982953 - 10/15/12 06:08 PM Re: Finding Rubs [Re: fairchaser]
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 Originally Posted By: fairchaser
The unusual behavior at Ames could be due to the balanced buck to doe ratio with plenty of mature bucks in the mix. I have seen more scrapes than rubs so far at Ames. I think the mature bucks know they have to start earlier and earlier to establish their pecking order even before velvet strip.


Usually, advanced buck age structures and more balanced sex ratios greatly increase both rubbing and scraping. As we advanced buck age structures, balanced sex ratios, and probably doubled our total deer density, our rub density increased about 1,100% (literally). over a 10-year period, as those herd dynamics were changing, our rub densities went from around 500 rubs per square mile per year to almost 6,000 rubs per square mile per year (although a poor acorn year would cut that number by more than half).
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#2983284 - 10/15/12 08:45 PM Re: Finding Rubs [Re: BSK]
Mike Belt
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Acorns or not, in the 6 past years at Ames I've always seen scrapes before rubs. We have a great crop of mature animals and yet I've found fewer rubs over the last 6 years on Ames than anywhere I've hunted in the past. However, I've hunted in areas where I was in the middle of 40 active scrapes. I've also seen fewer big rubs considering the numbers of mature bucks we have than I have in other places with much, much smaller numbers of mature animals. Puzzling to me. The only thing I can figure is that we have so-o-o-o-o much cover with so much of it being virtually inpenetrable that the deer are possibly reserving most of their rubbing for the interiors of these places.
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#2983764 - 10/16/12 08:12 AM Re: Finding Rubs [Re: Mike Belt]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
Acorns or not, in the 6 past years at Ames I've always seen scrapes before rubs. We have a great crop of mature animals and yet I've found fewer rubs over the last 6 years on Ames than anywhere I've hunted in the past. However, I've hunted in areas where I was in the middle of 40 active scrapes. I've also seen fewer big rubs considering the numbers of mature bucks we have than I have in other places with much, much smaller numbers of mature animals. Puzzling to me. The only thing I can figure is that we have so-o-o-o-o much cover with so much of it being virtually inpenetrable that the deer are possibly reserving most of their rubbing for the interiors of these places.


Very interesting observations and theory Mike.
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#2983774 - 10/16/12 08:18 AM Re: Finding Rubs [Re: Mike Belt]
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I've found 2 big rubs so far but one was halfhearted
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