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#2980692 - 10/14/12 09:24 AM ultimate small game/yote gun....
fishboy1
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Got to thinking/
.22LR is perfect for small game but a tad under for yotes and such.
.22mag is too hot for small game and good to light for yotes.

.17hmr is a bit overclocked for small game but still a tad light for yotes

.20 is a bit hot for small game but better for yotes.

So.... I know for liability reasons a manufacturer wouldn't build one but...

Why not build a .22LR/.22MAG rifle. Similar to the concept of the Ruger Single Six revolver?

With CCI stingers you get around 1600fps with 22.mag you get about 2200fps.

With modern propellants, would it be POSSIBLE to soup up a .22LR to 2000+fps?

If not, would it be possible to build the chamber on a .22 to handle both 22.lr and .22mag? Probably be some challenges for an auto loader.

What about going old school and making a wheel gun style rifle? Picture a Ruger single six with an 18" barrel and a shoulder stock ?

For some reason I am fascinated with the idea of a "one gun" concept for small game up to coyotes. Instead of the "perfect" caliber, could you build a more versatile platform ?
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#2980839 - 10/14/12 11:49 AM Re: ultimate small game/yote gun.... [Re: fishboy1]
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CZ 455 has interchangeable barrels and you can get them with the 22LR,22WMR and 17HMR barrels in a set,,

I have the Varmint 22LR and have an sporter weight 17HMR barrel coming in the mail,
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#2980942 - 10/14/12 01:23 PM Re: ultimate small game/yote gun.... [Re: mr.big]
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There you have it....
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#2980953 - 10/14/12 01:33 PM Re: ultimate small game/yote gun.... [Re: leader]
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Buy them all, one can never have too many guns..............LOL

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#2980965 - 10/14/12 01:43 PM Re: ultimate small game/yote gun.... [Re: leader]
mr.big
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here is mine with the Varmint 22LR barrel,,but with the varmint stock you can use any of the other varmint weight barrels,or any of the sporter weight barrels with or without sights.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/produ...an+3+Barrel+Set

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#2981069 - 10/14/12 02:54 PM Re: ultimate small game/yote gun.... [Re: mr.big]
fishboy1
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That CZ is sweet! But its not what I would consider one gun for this discussion.

What I was trying to get at is this.

IS it possible to make ONE rifle that shoots both 22lr AND 22 Mag out of the same set up WITHOUT changing the rig?

OR
Could the 22 LR be souped up enough with modern powders to reach 22 mag velocity, thus making it a legit (though light) coyote/varmint gun out to say 100 yds ?

Hmmm
Perhaps the ideal would be to have HOT .22 mag loads for yotes AND reduced .22mag loads for smaller game....
Being a rimfire, handloads would be impractical so that means factory shells. Probably wont work.

Perhaps a different angle.
Can you load a .223 DOWN enough to be safe (no stovepipes) AND be useful for small game without turning a squirrel into hairy hamburger?
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#2981131 - 10/14/12 03:44 PM Re: ultimate small game/yote gun.... [Re: fishboy1]
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i like your idea, and i would also like to see something like a 22lr over a .223.
it could be like a savage 24, just no shotgun barrel.

i bet you could get something custom made on a savage 24 frame.

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#2981132 - 10/14/12 03:44 PM Re: ultimate small game/yote gun.... [Re: fishboy1]
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I am puzzled as to why you think the 22 mag is too much for small game. I have been shooting squirrels for 20 plus years with a 22 mag. There was a short time when I drank the 17HMR koolade but after watching a couple groundhogs and a couple wild dogs run away I got over that caliber. 22 WMR to me is the perfect gun for what you are wanting.
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#2981145 - 10/14/12 03:54 PM Re: ultimate small game/yote gun.... [Re: fishboy1]
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I load my CZ 527 Varmint 223 with the 69 SMK and a load of Blue Dot that is subsonic and very accurate at 100 yards,,start about 15 grs and work down .2 grs at a time until you reach your desired speed,,kinda like working up a load backwards,,

I would have to check my notes but IIRC the load I use is around 9 grs,,
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#2981239 - 10/14/12 05:12 PM Re: ultimate small game/yote gun.... [Re: mr.big]
fishboy1
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Dont have a .223 but would like one.

.22mag is ok for small game but hit a squirrel in the body and you have mush. At least the time I hunted with a buddy who used one.

Mr.big, what do you shoot the subsonic in if you don't mind me asking? Will it cycle an AR type platform?

Maybe the answer IS a slower bigger bullet instead of speeding up a smaller one.
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