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#2977767 - 10/11/12 08:04 PM Paul Ryan just put the smackdown
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Paul Ryan just put the first smack down of many on the VP!
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#2977770 - 10/11/12 08:06 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: double browtine]
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The VP is high on crack.
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#2977781 - 10/11/12 08:10 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Rackseeker]
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Paul Ryan is an incredible asset to the ticket.
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#2977795 - 10/11/12 08:16 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: AndyW]
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I tell you what.... are they having a debate or is that granny going to keep interrupting with more questions.... dang they can't even give a complete answer!!! She needs to just SHUT UP!!!!
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#2977815 - 10/11/12 08:24 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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OH SNAP what a jab on the words coming out comment!!
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#2977830 - 10/11/12 08:32 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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Paul Ryan comes across like a genuine man concerned about realistic solutions for the problems at hand. Biden comes off like an arrogant prick, period.
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#2977833 - 10/11/12 08:33 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: AndyW]
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 Originally Posted By: AndyW
Paul Ryan comes across like a genuine man concerned about realistic solutions for the problems at hand. Biden comes off like an arrogant prick, period.


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#2977843 - 10/11/12 08:37 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
I tell you what.... are they having a debate or is that granny going to keep interrupting with more questions.... dang they can't even give a complete answer!!! She needs to just SHUT UP!!!!


I agree. She just cut Ryan off and said I want to move on. Somebody put a sock in her pie hole! She hasn't once cut off Biden.
You know who was invited to a wedding with her in like 1991? Our current Pres.

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#2977845 - 10/11/12 08:37 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
I tell you what.... are they having a debate or is that granny going to keep interrupting with more questions.... dang they can't even give a complete answer!!! She needs to just SHUT UP!!!!



obama was at her wedding. that is a fact. so much for an unbiased mediator
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#2977859 - 10/11/12 08:40 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: redblood]
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Ryan has him rattled bad now.
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#2977860 - 10/11/12 08:41 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: AndyW]
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 Originally Posted By: AndyW
Ryan has him rattled bad now.


He is calling them out on their record!!
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#2977861 - 10/11/12 08:41 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: AndyW]
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Ryan is a class act bad @$$.. Hes my new Hero!! this dude is awesome.
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#2977863 - 10/11/12 08:42 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: AndyW]
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Biden is a fool and we need to send him packing.
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#2977873 - 10/11/12 08:48 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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Paul is definitely awesome . Biden is a prick for sure
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#2977883 - 10/11/12 08:51 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: DeerKiller2012]
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The stupid witch keeps cutting off Ryan and then lets Biden interupt and blow hot air
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#2977894 - 10/11/12 08:56 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: double browtine]
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Listening to Biden I truly believe he knew the questions ahead of time. His answers sound rehearsed.
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#2977898 - 10/11/12 08:58 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Rebel]
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 Originally Posted By: Rebel
Listening to Biden I truly believe he knew the questions ahead of time. His answers sound rehearsed.


I agree, stuttering Joe would've gaffed BAD by now. I think he still will, he's rattled cause he's getting called on his crap.
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#2977899 - 10/11/12 08:59 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Rebel]
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 Originally Posted By: Rebel
Listening to Biden I truly believe he knew the questions ahead of time. His answers sound rehearsed.


Of course he did.....She has probably been laid up with Bidden in a hotel room the last 6 days.
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#2977901 - 10/11/12 08:59 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: double browtine]
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Yep... The fix is in for sure.. Joe is a p Rick for sue..
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#2977902 - 10/11/12 08:59 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Rebel]
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 Originally Posted By: Rebel
Listening to Biden I truly believe he knew the questions ahead of time. His answers sound rehearsed.


I'm sure there was some "insider" information.... pathetic!
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#2977916 - 10/11/12 09:02 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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re: Afghanistan - Ryan is focused and accurate... Biden's losing it right here!

Edited by Rebel (10/11/12 09:02 PM)
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#2977918 - 10/11/12 09:03 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Rebel]
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 Originally Posted By: Rebel
re: Afghanistan - Ryan is focused and accurate... Biden's losing it right here!


And then the mod moves to the next issue.
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#2977923 - 10/11/12 09:04 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Rebel]
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Paul Ryan still focused and well spoken, and frankly; Vice-Presdential.

Joe Biden comes off like a bitter, jaded prick that easily gets emotional.
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#2977955 - 10/11/12 09:17 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: AndyW]
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Good comments by Ryan on the abortion issue - Well rounded 2 minute answer in exactly 2 minutes. Biden: he just contradicted his party's platform... Biden actually sounded like a republican there for a minute (confusing).
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#2977961 - 10/11/12 09:20 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Rebel]
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 Originally Posted By: Rebel
Good comments by Ryan on the abortion issue - Well rounded 2 minute answer in exactly 2 minutes. Biden: he just contradicted his party's platform... Biden actually sounded like a republican there for a minute (confusing).


As a Catholic, Biden would have been contradictive either way. He either goes against his faith or against his party.

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#2977964 - 10/11/12 09:21 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: birddog]
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 Originally Posted By: Rebel
Good comments by Ryan on the abortion issue - Well rounded 2 minute answer in exactly 2 minutes. Biden: he just contradicted his party's platform... Biden actually sounded like a republican there for a minute (confusing).


As a Catholic, Biden would have been contradictive either way. He either goes against his faith or against his party.


Right on 'bro.
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#2977979 - 10/11/12 09:31 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Rebel]
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Chris Matthew's disgusting half a man self just called that a clear victory for Biden. HAHA.

Whatever.
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#2977985 - 10/11/12 09:33 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: AndyW]
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 Originally Posted By: AndyW
Chris Matthew's disgusting half a man self just called that a clear victory for Biden. HAHA.

Whatever.


Stop watching those libtards!
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#2977987 - 10/11/12 09:34 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: AndyW]
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So how did Biden come across to you all??

To me laughting and smiling once in a while is ok but doing it 90% of the time Ryan was talking was being smug. It shows and was over done. in other words Biden was showing everybody that everything Ryan was saying was a lie, EVERYTHING.
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#2977988 - 10/11/12 09:34 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Rebel]
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 Originally Posted By: Rebel
 Originally Posted By: AndyW
Chris Matthew's disgusting half a man self just called that a clear victory for Biden. HAHA.

Whatever.


Stop watching those libtards!


I sneak into the enemy's camp to see what they say about us. LOL
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#2977996 - 10/11/12 09:35 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Wildcat]
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So how did Biden come across to you all??

To me laughting and smiling once in a while is ok but doing it 90% of the time Ryan was talking was being smug. It shows and was over done. in other words Biden was showing everybody that everything Ryan was saying was a lie, EVERYTHING.


it was more than annoying.

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#2977998 - 10/11/12 09:35 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Rebel]
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Biden lied through his teeth on just about every "fact' he quoted. I wonder who he considers to be rich, the ones that earn above the poverty line?
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#2978001 - 10/11/12 09:36 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
So how did Biden come across to you all??

To me laughting and smiling once in a while is ok but doing it 90% of the time Ryan was talking was being smug. It shows and was over done. in other words Biden was showing everybody that everything Ryan was saying was a lie, EVERYTHING.



So are you saying what Ryan was saying was all lies?
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#2978002 - 10/11/12 09:36 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: AndyW]
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Biden put Ryan in his place. Ryan circled around so many questions...so typical of flip floppers

Edited by drrxnupe (10/11/12 09:38 PM)

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#2978005 - 10/11/12 09:37 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: AndyW]
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I think Ryan could have/should have had more comeback zingers rehearsed. They had to know that Joe would be a arrogant jerk.
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#2978016 - 10/11/12 09:39 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
So how did Biden come across to you all??

To me laughting and smiling once in a while is ok but doing it 90% of the time Ryan was talking was being smug. It shows and was over done. in other words Biden was showing everybody that everything Ryan was saying was a lie, EVERYTHING.



So are you saying what Ryan was saying was all lies?


Re-read my post!!!!


BIDEN by smiling and laughting at 90% of the time Ryan was talking was showing he thought everythinjg Ryan was saying was a lie, EVERYTHING.
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#2978020 - 10/11/12 09:41 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: fishboy1]
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Ryan won hands down. Joe is a bumbling old man that needs to retire. He kept stuttering numbers, and went against his party on abortion.
Thank you Joe.

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#2978022 - 10/11/12 09:41 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: fishboy1]
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I think Paul Ryan was poised, focused, well spoken and seemed genuinely interested in solutions.

Joe Biden came across as a pompous jerk at best; that would just as soon incite class warfare than let a small businessman get ahead.
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#2978024 - 10/11/12 09:42 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
Ryan won hands down. Joe is a bumbling old man that needs to retire. He kept stuttering numbers, and went against his party on abortion.
Thank you Joe.

Pubs = 2
LiBs = 0


I'm not sure. I think Ryan came in 1st place, Raddatz the moderator came in 2nd and Biden came in 3rd.
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#2978025 - 10/11/12 09:42 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
Ryan won hands down. Joe is a bumbling old man that needs to retire. He kept stuttering numbers, and went against his party on abortion.
Thank you Joe.

Pubs = 2
LiBs = 0


I agree, just hope the undecided voters think the way we do.
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#2978030 - 10/11/12 09:43 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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this one wasnt so clear cut like the President debates. I thought Ryan held his own but i dont think you can say i was a clear cut victory for either party. only time will tell.
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#2978031 - 10/11/12 09:43 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: AndyW]
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We have to look at this realistically. We just saw the two men that will be a heart beat away from being President. Our votes really do matter. Can you imagine Biden as President?
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#2978037 - 10/11/12 09:45 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Kirk]
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 Originally Posted By: Kirk
We have to look at this realistically. We just saw the two men that will be a heart beat away from being President. Our votes really do matter. Can you imagine Biden as President?


I pray everyday nothing happens to Obomber for that very reason.
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#2978044 - 10/11/12 09:47 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
So how did Biden come across to you all??

To me laughting and smiling once in a while is ok but doing it 90% of the time Ryan was talking was being smug. It shows and was over done. in other words Biden was showing everybody that everything Ryan was saying was a lie, EVERYTHING.



So are you saying what Ryan was saying was all lies?


Re-read my post!!!!


BIDEN by smiling and laughting at 90% of the time Ryan was talking was showing he thought everythinjg Ryan was saying was a lie, EVERYTHING.



I'm on board now WC.... \:\)
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#2978048 - 10/11/12 09:49 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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this will hurt biden. he came across as an a-- and laughed and smirked over some really serious issues. it will not be perceived well by women
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#2978049 - 10/11/12 09:49 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Kirk]
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 Originally Posted By: Kirk
We have to look at this realistically. We just saw the two men that will be a heart beat away from being President. Our votes really do matter. Can you imagine Biden as President?


Can you imagine Witt Fomney as president?

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#2978050 - 10/11/12 09:50 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: drrxnupe]
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I can actually spell his name so yes.
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#2978054 - 10/11/12 09:51 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: drrxnupe]
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 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
Can you imagine Witt Fomney as president?


Would be seriously better than the POS acting as POTUS right now.....
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#2978055 - 10/11/12 09:51 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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You guys seem very confident with Ryan's performance. I was hoping for so
much more. There were times that I feel like he let Biden steamroll him. I was hoping for more of a fight. I dont think it will matter much in the end though...Obama can't dodge his record.
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#2978056 - 10/11/12 09:52 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: BigM]
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 Originally Posted By: BigM
You guys seem very confident with Ryan's performance. I was hoping for so
much more. There were times that I feel like he let Biden steamroll him. I was hoping for more of a fight. I dont think it will matter much in the end though...Obama can't dodge his record.
I feel exactly the same way.I just don't see a clear cut win for ryan.
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#2978058 - 10/11/12 09:53 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: BigM]
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 Originally Posted By: BigM
Obama can't dodge his record.


Paul Ryan pointed that out very well.
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#2978059 - 10/11/12 09:53 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: BigM]
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 Originally Posted By: BigM
You guys seem very confident with Ryan's performance. I was hoping for so
much more. There were times that I feel like he let Biden steamroll him. I was hoping for more of a fight. I dont think it will matter much in the end though...Obama can't dodge his record.


How was he supposed to "fight".... everytime he got on a roll that wench would cut him off, change the topic, or rephrase the question.
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#2978061 - 10/11/12 09:54 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: drrxnupe]
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 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
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We have to look at this realistically. We just saw the two men that will be a heart beat away from being President. Our votes really do matter. Can you imagine Biden as President?


Can you imagine Witt Fomney as president?


You might want to wrap your mind around Mitt Romney being the President, because he's going to win in a landslide.
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#2978063 - 10/11/12 09:55 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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Funny how during the Republican primary how most of y'all totally dissed ole Fomney. What a difference a day makes...
If y'all had supported Ron Paul, I'd totally be down with the program.

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#2978064 - 10/11/12 09:55 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: BigM]
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 Originally Posted By: BigM
You guys seem very confident with Ryan's performance. I was hoping for so
much more. There were times that I feel like he let Biden steamroll him. I was hoping for more of a fight. I dont think it will matter much in the end though...Obama can't dodge his record.


Ya i dont know where everyone is getting Ryan ran away with this. it was much more even and maybe a little more tipped towrads Biden but in no way did Ryan run away with this debate like Romney did against Oboma.

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#2978066 - 10/11/12 09:57 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: birddog]
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 Originally Posted By: birddog
 Originally Posted By: BigM
You guys seem very confident with Ryan's performance. I was hoping for so
much more. There were times that I feel like he let Biden steamroll him. I was hoping for more of a fight. I dont think it will matter much in the end though...Obama can't dodge his record.


Ya i dont know where everyone is getting Ryan ran away with this. it was much more even and maybe a little more tipped towrads Biden but in no way did Ryan run away with this debate like Romney did against Oboma.


I agree

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#2978068 - 10/11/12 09:59 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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It's hard to talk reality to an idiot doi.g moose ears and sticking his tounge out. Biden won the occupy vote, hands down. Independents turned the trainwreck off. Bases both claim they won
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#2978069 - 10/11/12 09:59 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Rebel]
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I'm not sure. I think Ryan came in 1st place, Raddatz the moderator came in 2nd and Biden came in 3rd.


I had to listen to it on the radio. It sounded like it was BidenRaddatz vs Ryan. Biden's sneering was very evident on radio. It was a typical debate, both sides will spin it as a victory for their guy. This just illustrates how completely incompetent Obama was last week. No one could realistically spin it as an Obama victory. He was unusually pathetic.
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#2978070 - 10/11/12 10:00 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: drrxnupe]
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2 vs. 1 I wouldn't expect a runaway either..... Ron Paul has never had enough support to even have a chance.... hard for a true conservative to get the support they need to win.... they are being attacked from both the (D) & (R) teams....
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#2978071 - 10/11/12 10:00 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: drrxnupe]
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 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
Funny how during the Republican primary how most of y'all totally dissed ole Fomney. What a difference a day makes...
If y'all had supported Ron Paul, I'd totally be down with the program.


The are caller primaries for a reason. Some people like the cluts can't get over it, never could.
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#2978077 - 10/11/12 10:03 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: drrxnupe]
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 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
 Originally Posted By: birddog
 Originally Posted By: BigM
You guys seem very confident with Ryan's performance. I was hoping for so
much more. There were times that I feel like he let Biden steamroll him. I was hoping for more of a fight. I dont think it will matter much in the end though...Obama can't dodge his record.


Ya i dont know where everyone is getting Ryan ran away with this. it was much more even and maybe a little more tipped towrads Biden but in no way did Ryan run away with this debate like Romney did against Oboma.


I agree


But dont get me wrong drrxnupe, Oboma/Biden is absolutly the wrong joice for this country. Im not saying i know Romney is the right joice but there is 0 reason to believe Obama can do anything different in the 2nd 4 years than he has done in the 1st. He has been the worst president in my life time.

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#2978080 - 10/11/12 10:04 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: drrxnupe]
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 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
Biden put Ryan in his place. Ryan circled around so many questions...so typical of flip floppers
flip floppers huh? A pro life catholic?(joe). I don't believe he is catholic any more than I believe Barry is.
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#2978083 - 10/11/12 10:08 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Mudbone]
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Biden had a lot of help from the mod. She is on his side. Ryan did a good job!
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#2978085 - 10/11/12 10:10 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: double browtine]
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 Originally Posted By: double browtine
Biden had a lot of help from the mod. She is on his side. Ryan did a good job!


I will have to disagree with that. I think she got after them both equally. she actually did a good job keeping them on subject.

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#2978088 - 10/11/12 10:12 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Mudbone]
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 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
Biden put Ryan in his place. Ryan circled around so many questions...so typical of flip floppers
flip floppers huh? A pro life catholic?(joe). I don't believe he is catholic any more than I believe Barry is.


Yep...just like Scott DesJarlais

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#2978095 - 10/11/12 10:18 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: drrxnupe]
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My best opinion... A guy that laughs and cuts up in the seat he was sitting in can't be the right choice for America. This is no laughing matter. It's a disgrace to us all to have to call him VP.

Now is Romney and Ryan the best pick... I don't think so but they have my vote no matter what. Obama and Biden have played their cards and it's a losing hand!
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#2978102 - 10/11/12 10:20 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: SilverFox]
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Now is Romney and Ryan the best pick... I don't think so but they have my vote no matter what. Obama and Biden have played their cards and it's a losing hand!


I agree.
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#2978108 - 10/11/12 10:23 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: drrxnupe]
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I absolutely detest Joe Biden and really like Paul Ryan, but this was no clear win for Ryan. It was a draw at best. He let Biden get the best of him too many times and he missed several opportunities to make good points on key issues in a way that most Americans would actually understand and relate to. The GOP should just let me debate these Democrat clowns. I don't know why they won't accept my offers to do so....
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#2978122 - 10/11/12 10:35 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Vermin93]
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No matter who is put in the White House, I honestly don't think a darn thing in Washington will change without completely cleaning out both the Senate and the House. There are too many retards sitting on Both sides of the aisle if you ask me. In addition...the influence of the affluent must also stop.
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#2978125 - 10/11/12 10:37 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: drrxnupe]
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Get rid of Obama and things can only get better
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#2978126 - 10/11/12 10:38 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Super8]
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Biden makes me sick.
Ryan needed to take the gloves off but didn't
Fact checkers will tear Biden up tomorrow
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#2978129 - 10/11/12 10:40 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Super8]
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 Originally Posted By: Super8
Get rid of Obama and things can only get better


And then the polar opposite will happen, Dems will whine like the Republicans are now and not a darn thing will get done.

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#2978143 - 10/11/12 10:49 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: drrxnupe]
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 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
 Originally Posted By: Super8
Get rid of Obama and things can only get better


And then the polar opposite will happen, Dems will whine like the Republicans are now and not a darn thing will get done.


I have found even the die hard Democrats do not like what the past 4 years have produced. Romney will run away with this election, it just can't get here fast enough.
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#2978146 - 10/11/12 10:53 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Super8]
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My best friend's brother was formerly DNC Chairman, State of Louisiana. * my friend is a republican* But he tells me his brother won't support Obama this time around.
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#2978175 - 10/11/12 11:21 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Rebel]
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My best friend's brother was formerly DNC Chairman, State of Louisiana. * my friend is a republican* But he tells me his brother won't support Obama this time around.


I know of a similar lifelong die hard democratic former office holder that is staying home. Told my Dad "Obama HAS to go".
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#2978253 - 10/12/12 05:33 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Super8]
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Biden could have won,cause Ryan didnt push back when and like he should have, but Biden WAY over did it. WAY to many interuptions, and doing so at odd times and moments which just made it strange and proved he wasnt real. Then his crazy laughing when he shouldnt have been, on very real problems!

Someone also should have clued Joe in on whats already came out in the Libya hearings.

Joe also voted for both wars, he lied!

Fact checkers will be ripping Joe on many of his statements.

All the talk going to be not about what a good job Joe did, but about his crazy behavor.
Joe's behavor will appeal and pump up the libs, but it did NOTHING except turn off those who were undecided.
Their the only votes that matter,and i say Ryan did do some scoring with them


Edited by Dale3 (10/12/12 05:40 AM)

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#2978293 - 10/12/12 06:23 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Dale3]
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I thought the entire debate was a train wreck, and it was pretty obvious the moderator was working in concert with biden. I agree with the others that it appeared biden had an advanced copy of the questions.

Biden came across as half buffoon, half angry old man. Rather than answer questions, he raved about nonsense or flat out contradicted the Regime's own statements and record.

Ryan came across as sincere but was too accepting of the buffoon's antics; I wish at some point he'd just said, "Joe, hand on, you can speak in a moment, now be polite like any good 6-year old." His closing statement, though, was knocked out of the park, particularly compared to biden's illiterate rambling.

Don't know how anyone could feel biden came out on top; he was outstmarted and outclassed at every level.
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#2978322 - 10/12/12 06:58 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: BMan]
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 Originally Posted By: BMan

Biden came across as half buffoon, half angry old man.


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#2978373 - 10/12/12 07:31 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: BigM]
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 Originally Posted By: BigM
You guys seem very confident with Ryan's performance. I was hoping for so
much more. There were times that I feel like he let Biden steamroll him. I was hoping for more of a fight. I dont think it will matter much in the end though...Obama can't dodge his record.


I agree too. Ryan couldn't get his message across a lot of times because Biden was interupting him. I read this morning that Biden interupted Ryan 82 times during the debate. As big of a jerk as he was it worked to keep Ryan from getting his message across sometimes. If he wasn't making comments and talking over him he was laughing or smiling and the attention was on him instead of what Ryan was trying to say. It didn't help Ryan either that it was 2 against 1.

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#2978377 - 10/12/12 07:32 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: TennesseeRains]
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I didn't see a clear winner myself either. I guess I would have liked to see more passion and a little more pissed off from Ryan. That's what we saw from Romney and that's why he handed Obama his butt. So, overall, I can't really see how last night helped either party in the big picture.

The next two debates will be critical.
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#2978418 - 10/12/12 08:16 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Tennessee Todd]
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Biden acted like a buffoon. Hell, he is a buffoon. Ryan should have been more assertive with Biden and that liberal hack of a moderator who was obviously biased toward Biden. Overall, I was a little disappointed with Ryan. This cannot be called a win for the republicans or the democrats. If Obama loses, however, it will be a win for liberty loving Americans.
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#2978451 - 10/12/12 08:36 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: birddog]
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Biden was factually incorrect on several of his comments!!!!
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#2978475 - 10/12/12 08:50 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: cecil30-30]
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 Originally Posted By: cecil30-30
 Originally Posted By: BigM
You guys seem very confident with Ryan's performance. I was hoping for so
much more. There were times that I feel like he let Biden steamroll him. I was hoping for more of a fight. I dont think it will matter much in the end though...Obama can't dodge his record.
I feel exactly the same way.I just don't see a clear cut win for ryan.


Same here. Should've challenged Biden more with fact that common folks could understand.
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#2978483 - 10/12/12 08:53 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: drrxnupe]
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 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
No matter who is put in the White House, I honestly don't think a darn thing in Washington will change without completely cleaning out both the Senate and the House. There are too many retards sitting on Both sides of the aisle if you ask me. In addition...the influence of the affluent must also stop.


RETARDS??????

Coming from the party that is all about diversity and feelings you have a terrible grasp of sensitivity.

But I would expect that out of a liberal.
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#2978488 - 10/12/12 08:54 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: BigM]
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 Originally Posted By: BigM
I was hoping for more of a fight. I dont think it will matter much in the end though...Obama can't dodge his record.


Ole Uncle Joe knows this, also. He mentioned Obama by name exactly ONCE.
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#2979168 - 10/12/12 06:20 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
No matter who is put in the White House, I honestly don't think a darn thing in Washington will change without completely cleaning out both the Senate and the House. There are too many retards sitting on Both sides of the aisle if you ask me. In addition...the influence of the affluent must also stop.


RETARDS??????

Coming from the party that is all about diversity and feelings you have a terrible grasp of sensitivity.

But I would expect that out of a liberal.


typical uninformed die hard wanna-be conservative just because. i bet i'm more "conservative" than you are


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#2979449 - 10/12/12 10:44 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: drrxnupe]
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i bet i'm more "conservative" than you are


Then for the love of God, please get out and vote for Romney. Hold your nose if you have to. Staying home or voting for Rosanne Barr is a vote for Obama.
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#2979916 - 10/13/12 02:30 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: AndyW]
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 Originally Posted By: AndyW
 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
 Originally Posted By: Kirk
We have to look at this realistically. We just saw the two men that will be a heart beat away from being President. Our votes really do matter. Can you imagine Biden as President?


Can you imagine Witt Fomney as president?


You might want to wrap your mind around Mitt Romney being the President, because he's going to win in a landslide.
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#2981071 - 10/14/12 02:56 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: timberjack86]
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The poise of Ryan in contrast to the antics of Biden was very impressive.
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#2981182 - 10/14/12 04:32 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: AndyW]
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Change will happen in America when you all get tired of fighting each other and fight the government. it makes not one bit of difference who gets in as neither one will get anything done any ways.. Congress and Senate still has the say..So keep arguing over who is better..In my opinion neither one of them!!
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#2981243 - 10/14/12 05:12 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: griz104]
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Change will happen in America when you all get tired of fighting each other and fight the government. it makes not one bit of difference who gets in as neither one will get anything done any ways.. Congress and Senate still has the say..So keep arguing over who is better..In my opinion neither one of them!!


What your saying is keep Obama and don't try to change anything.

This country cannot afford 4 more years of Obama, just look at his RECORD.
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#2981703 - 10/14/12 08:59 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Wildcat]
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And what you are trying to say is that Ole Mitty gets elected things will change.. Don't think so..Not one bit.. You honestly think the crap the Republicans pulled last four years are going to be forgotten about?? Again.. Don't think so..So nothing is going to change no matter who gets elected.. If you think it will then i have some fantastic swamp land for sale cheap..I don't trust Mitt one bit.. He can lie better then any politician i have ever saw..If he stuck to one thing it would be fine but he changes his mind every 20 minutes..He had me..Honestly he did..But he has lost me with his ..I know a whole lot more that also feel that way now then don't..He just may have shot himself down..

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#2981707 - 10/14/12 09:01 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: griz104]
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Obama or Romney

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#2981725 - 10/14/12 09:09 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Super8]
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#2981747 - 10/14/12 09:20 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: griz104]
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You honestly think the crap the Republicans pulled last four years are going to be forgotten about?? Again.. Don't think so..


What crap?
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#2981795 - 10/14/12 09:58 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: AndyW]
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 Originally Posted By: griz104
You honestly think the crap the Republicans pulled last four years are going to be forgotten about?? Again.. Don't think so..


What crap?

I was thinking the same thing.

I guess he means passing budgets in the House, only to be ignored by the (D)-head running the Senate.
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#2982003 - 10/15/12 06:35 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: griz104]
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 Originally Posted By: griz104
And what you are trying to say is that Ole Mitty gets elected things will change.. Don't think so..Not one bit.. You honestly think the crap the Republicans pulled last four years are going to be forgotten about?? Again.. Don't think so..So nothing is going to change no matter who gets elected.. If you think it will then i have some fantastic swamp land for sale cheap..I don't trust Mitt one bit.. He can lie better then any politician i have ever saw..If he stuck to one thing it would be fine but he changes his mind every 20 minutes..He had me..Honestly he did..But he has lost me with his..I know a whole lot more that also feel that way now then don't..He just may have shot himself down..


So in two posts you have PROVEN you ARE an Obama supporter and the ONLY reason you are posting that nothing will change is to keep Onama in office.

Thanks for proving me right.
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#2982005 - 10/15/12 06:38 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: AndyW]
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 Originally Posted By: AndyW
 Originally Posted By: griz104
You honestly think the crap the Republicans pulled last four years are going to be forgotten about?? Again.. Don't think so..


What crap?


X2, what crap??

Go back and look over the CONGRASSIAL RECORD and the VOTING RECORD. It was the DEMOCRATS in the Senate that blocked any kind of budget for the last 3 years allowing the UNLIMITED spending to keep going.
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#2982072 - 10/15/12 07:43 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: AndyW
 Originally Posted By: griz104
You honestly think the crap the Republicans pulled last four years are going to be forgotten about?? Again.. Don't think so..


What crap?


X2, what crap??

Go back and look over the CONGRASSIAL RECORD and the VOTING RECORD. It was the DEMOCRATS in the Senate that blocked any kind of budget for the last 3 years allowing the UNLIMITED spending to keep going.


Wildcat I hate to correct you but that last comment is wrong nether house or senate can all alone spend a dime with out the other agreeing. They can bypass the president with a override of a veto. The fact is that why they never passed a budget they continue to pass a CR to fund the govt. They could do budget cuts in the CR and only fund the essential things to get each other to work together. Now I am not a O supporter so don't get that confused but I also think that our congress has failed in both chambers and need to be held accountable.

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#2982142 - 10/15/12 08:14 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: waynesworld]
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 Originally Posted By: waynesworld
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: AndyW
 Originally Posted By: griz104
You honestly think the crap the Republicans pulled last four years are going to be forgotten about?? Again.. Don't think so..


What crap?


X2, what crap??

Go back and look over the CONGRASSIAL RECORD and the VOTING RECORD. It was the DEMOCRATS in the Senate that blocked any kind of budget for the last 3 years allowing the UNLIMITED spending to keep going.


Wildcat I hate to correct you but that last comment is wrong nether house or senate can all alone spend a dime with out the other agreeing. They can bypass the president with a override of a veto. The fact is that why they never passed a budget they continue to pass a CR to fund the govt. They could do budget cuts in the CR and only fund the essential things to get each other to work together. Now I am not a O supporter so don't get that confused but I also think that our congress has failed in both chambers and need to be held accountable.


You need correcting

To pass a budget BOTH houses HAS to pass them.

If one House bill if different from the other House then they work out the difference in committiees and then send it to the President.

The House passed 5 budgets in the last 3 1/2 years, Harry Reid REFUSED to bring them up for a debate stopping the entire budget. Congress had only one choice left, to pass the CR, that allows Obama to spend all he wants since there is no budget to stop him. Obama and the Democrats didn't want to be tied down with the limits of ANY budget.
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#2982179 - 10/15/12 08:48 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
Romney isn't an America hating MUSLIM Marxist.



Fixed it for ya FLTNH. ;\)
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#2982324 - 10/15/12 10:36 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: MUP]
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Yes both need to pass the budget but where you are wrong is they did not have to pass a CR and the CR is not a blank check it is just a "Temp Budget" I know all about budget as that is my Job I am a budget director. The biggest problem is this is a game of chicken and the conservatives always blink. The thing some do not know is it is not just one CR you can have one CR for defense spending and one for other things.
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#2982592 - 10/15/12 02:09 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: timberjack86]
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 Originally Posted By: timberjack86
 Originally Posted By: AndyW
 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
 Originally Posted By: Kirk
We have to look at this realistically. We just saw the two men that will be a heart beat away from being President. Our votes really do matter. Can you imagine Biden as President?


Can you imagine Witt Fomney as president?


You might want to wrap your mind around Mitt Romney being the President, because he's going to win in a landslide.
X2! Landslide!!!!


I hope and pray yall are right
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#2983140 - 10/15/12 07:54 PM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
Romney isn't an America hating MUSLIM Marxist.



Fixed it for ya FLTNH. ;\)


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#2983630 - 10/16/12 06:03 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: waynesworld]
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 Originally Posted By: waynesworld
Yes both need to pass the budget but where you are wrong is they did not have to pass a CR and the CR is not a blank check it is just a "Temp Budget" I know all about budget as that is my Job I am a budget director. The biggest problem is this is a game of chicken and the conservatives always blink. The thing some do not know is it is not just one CR you can have one CR for defense spending and one for other things.



Finally someone who knows the true working of Government and knows that one or two men can't move mountains as some think they can..I think blame can be placed on all 535 of them (435 in the House plus 100 in Senate).. And yet nobody wants to realize that Government is not for the people anymore!


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#2983663 - 10/16/12 06:52 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: griz104]
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 Originally Posted By: griz104
 Originally Posted By: waynesworld
Yes both need to pass the budget but where you are wrong is they did not have to pass a CR and the CR is not a blank check it is just a "Temp Budget" I know all about budget as that is my Job I am a budget director. The biggest problem is this is a game of chicken and the conservatives always blink. The thing some do not know is it is not just one CR you can have one CR for defense spending and one for other things.



Finally someone who knows the true working of Government and knows that one or two men can't move mountains as some think they can..I think blame can be placed on all 535 of them (435 in the House plus 100 in Senate).. And yet nobody wants to realize that Government is not for the people anymore!


You are forgetting a couple things here.

First off YOU can not elect anybody from a different state, you cannot vote for the people running for Congress in Iowa unless you are a resident of that state.

Second, each party has their party leaders who they mostly follow on most votes.

Third and most important here. The President can be a real LEADER here if he can work with Congress. Obama has a PROVEN RECORD of NOT working with the Republicans at all no mater the issue, to Obama it's either his way or nothing. Romney has a PROVEN RECORD of working WITH the Democrats. As Gov of Mass he worked with a State Legislatures that was made up of 87% Democrats.

All you really want to do is help keep Obama by saying nothing will change.
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#2983877 - 10/16/12 09:23 AM Re: Paul Ryan just put the smackdown [Re: Wildcat]
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WC had one really good point above.

You cannot elect in another state...legally anyway.

That is the flaw in our current system. We are subject to the whims and folly of other states bad decisions but have no say in their bad policy.

The original design was popular election of the house
Electoral college election of the president
DIRECT appointment of the Senate by state Governors.

The intentional design had the Senators looking out for the interest of the individual states and could be recalled at will by the governor. This made it VERY VERY hard to pass pork.

The house could come up with whatever tax or spending they wanted but the senate would evaluate each bill by 1. What benefits does my state receive 2. What does it cost us. 3. Will the governor fire me and jerk me outta Washington if I vote for this bill ?

So it was VERY hard to pass most any spending measure. The " I will vote for yours if you vote for mine" BS was much tougher to pull off. You had 99 other Senators giving your proposal the hairy eyeball knowing full well that they could be recalled at a moments notice if they voted for something that didn't directly benefit their state as much or MORE than it cost them.

With passage of the 17th Ammendment (senators elected by popular vote) it provided an enormous layer of protection and insulation on incumbent senators. The direct accountability to the governor and responsibility for doing what is best for the individual State is greatly reduced and replaced by buying votes with pork. With VOTES FOR PORK being the new election model, ALL senators have the direct incentive to blow the budget every single year.


Edited by fishboy1 (10/16/12 09:24 AM)
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