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#2972410 - 10/08/12 12:08 AM Hypothetical Question
catman529
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Just came to mind at random.

Say you are hunting public land and a buck walks up into range. He has huge mass, spread far past the ear, tall tines, 6 points that you can count on the left side, and the right side is broken clean off. He looks old, and it's public land, and you may never see him again.

Would you shoot him then, or chance trying to find him the following year with both sides intact?
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#2972412 - 10/08/12 12:24 AM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: catman529]
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I would probably shoot seeing that it is on public ground and chances are someone is gonna shoot it anyway but if it was private land it would be a tough one for me..do what you think is right
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#2972418 - 10/08/12 12:41 AM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: 30-06 type of guy]
TNGunhunter
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Public land: Shooter, probably wouldn't make it till next year.
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#2972419 - 10/08/12 12:44 AM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: TNGunhunter]
longnosedoe
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let him walk. he cannot and will never get his other antler back if he is dead. public land or not let him walk. want meat? shoot a doe.
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#2972421 - 10/08/12 03:03 AM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: longnosedoe]
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I had this exact scenario a couple years ago. Had a would have been 140+ deer walk in front of me i mean an absolute stud, but he was missing one side. I lowered my head, gritted my teeth, and closed my eyes so he could walk away. The very next weekend my neighbor pulled up with him in the back of the truck
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#2972469 - 10/08/12 06:09 AM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: Rockhound]
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Depends on how hard that piece of public land get hunted. But if it was on any of public land i hunt i shoot. But if hardly gets hunted or is a hr walk back in some deep nasty stuff were no one else goes id probly let him walk
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#2972621 - 10/08/12 08:51 AM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: Lady's man]
OnceMoreIntoTheFray
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I agree with longnosedoe, let him go and shoot a doe. You never know he might walk away from you and become a good memory and buck for a youngster.
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#2972780 - 10/08/12 10:43 AM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: OnceMoreIntoTheFray]
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Shoot him and let the taxidermist fix the other side with sheds. May not be the true side, but still makes a good story.
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#2972784 - 10/08/12 10:48 AM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: BigD_625]
Mike Belt
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I've had this happen on private land several times. Either a great buck was missing a beam or several points off his beams. I always let them walk.
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#2972787 - 10/08/12 10:49 AM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: 30-06 type of guy]
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Shoot. If he's as old as you're insinuating, then he's a trophy anyway. ;\) And...ON PUBLIC LAND?! Heck yea, shoot him.
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#2972812 - 10/08/12 11:12 AM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: MUP]
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I would shoot eat and mount him as is.
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#2972839 - 10/08/12 11:41 AM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: TRIGGER]
ImThere
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Hunting private or public it makes no difference to me. if your a meat hunter he's down. if your a trophy hunter he walks. atleast he has a chance of making it if you kill him he has a zero chance of making it till next year. if you want meat take a doe dont fly here. its about opportunity not the sex of the deer. Imo
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#2972842 - 10/08/12 11:43 AM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: ImThere]
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I would shoot the other side of his rack off and let him live another year. ;\)
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#2972856 - 10/08/12 11:52 AM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: Rackseeker]
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I hunt bucks based on the age. A mature buck, even if hypothetical, is difficult to kill on public land. The antler size, symmetry, or lack thereof, have nothing to do with the challenge at hand. I am not a trophy hunter, but I do pursue older bucks for the challenge of doing so.
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#2972909 - 10/08/12 12:48 PM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: Poser]
Mike Belt
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There you go....If you see a good buck that has great potential and you're going to let him walk shoot his antlers off first. This may discourage other hunters from shooting him as well and give him another year to grow, lol.
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#2972915 - 10/08/12 12:54 PM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: Mike Belt]
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Buddy of mine shot one's antler off, on accident of course. He said the deer put it's head to the ground and starting doing circles. He thought it was going down to die. When he went to get it, he only found the antler (think it was 5 points on that one side). He was sick.

I saw a deer video of Jeff Foxworthy shooting one's antlers off the other day. Apparently, people still ask him about it all the time. LOL
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#2972918 - 10/08/12 12:56 PM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: Mike Belt]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
There you go....If you see a good buck that has great potential and you're going to let him walk shoot his antlers off first. This may discourage other hunters from shooting him as well and give him another year to grow, lol.


Haha.
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#2972919 - 10/08/12 12:56 PM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: BigD_625]
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Nobody can answer this question until you answer one.....Would it make you happy? If so, then shoot him. If not, then don't shoot him.
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#2972942 - 10/08/12 01:25 PM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: Diehard Hunter]
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It all depends on the situation.

The biggest and oldest deer that I have ever seen alive was a one horned deer at President's Island. This deer was at least 5.5 yo if not older and would have pushed 200 lbs field dressed. I honestly think that he was 6.5 or 7.5 but didn't have much knowledge of aging on the hoof at that time. He had 4 points on one side and the other side was broke just above the brow. Every point was broke on the "good" side. If he had any kind of tine length on each side, he was pushing a booner as an 8. He had at least 25" main beams maybe longer, 6+" of mass at the bases that carried all the way out and would have had a 22-24" inside spread. He also had about a 3" sticker point on the broke side so he would have been a 9 pt and a shooter if not broke. My best way of describing him to my buddies was to cut my arm off at the shouled and stick it on his head. I know all of this because he walked right under my stand. He then stopped broad sided at 15 yds and started posturing and lip curling at two other bucks chasing a doe. It is one of the most exciting moments that I have ever had in the woods. He was a true warrior and monarch. If given the choice, I would have used my PI tag on him in a heartbeat even though he was broke. It still tears me up to this day thinking about that. I just wish that I would have had a video camera or even a regular camera that day. It was the 2nd year that PI was open, and we really didn't know what to expect so I wasn't prepared with a camera.
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#2972957 - 10/08/12 01:42 PM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: TN Larry]
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Id let him go
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#2973057 - 10/08/12 03:00 PM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: Football Hunter]
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If you want to shoot him, shoot him. Private/public he doesn't know the difference.
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#2973151 - 10/08/12 04:11 PM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: bowriter]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
If you want to shoot him, shoot him. Private/public he doesn't know the difference.
But the difference is that on a private land that only you/buddies can hunt, the buck has a much better chance of not being shot than on public where if he makes one wrong step he may be killed.
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#2973174 - 10/08/12 04:24 PM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: bowriter
If you want to shoot him, shoot him. Private/public he doesn't know the difference.
But the difference is that on a private land that only you/buddies can hunt, the buck has a much better chance of not being shot than on public where if he makes one wrong step he may be killed.


Your value system doesn't necessarily extend beyond your property lines on private land. That deer may use several different pieces of property with a myriad of different hunters. You may only choose to shoot big racked bucks on your property but the people next door could very well have the brown its down mentality.

For me personally, I don't consider what the next fellow may or may not do with regards to whether or not I will kill a deer. I do what I want. In my case, a mature deer is a trophy regardless of antlers and I will shoot it everytime. I value a mature doe just about as much as a mature buck.
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#2973180 - 10/08/12 04:28 PM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: Dbllunger]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: Dbllunger
 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: bowriter
If you want to shoot him, shoot him. Private/public he doesn't know the difference.
But the difference is that on a private land that only you/buddies can hunt, the buck has a much better chance of not being shot than on public where if he makes one wrong step he may be killed.


Your value system doesn't necessarily extend beyond your property lines on private land. That deer may use several different pieces of property with a myriad of different hunters. You may only choose to shoot big racked bucks on your property but the people next door could very well have the brown its down mentality.

For me personally, I don't consider what the next fellow may or may not do with regards to whether or not I will kill a deer. I do what I want. In my case, a mature deer is a trophy regardless of antlers and I will shoot it everytime. I value a mature doe just about as much as a mature buck.
you are right, it would depend on the size of the property and the buck's range. And i would shoot the deer in a heartbeat, just seeing a mature buck on public land is something I would be thrilled about.
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#2973515 - 10/08/12 08:18 PM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: bowriter
If you want to shoot him, shoot him. Private/public he doesn't know the difference.
But the difference is that on a private land that only you/buddies can hunt, the buck has a much better chance of not being shot than on public where if he makes one wrong step he may be killed.


So? What difference does it make? He walks by a hunter that wants him, why should he not shoot him no matter where he is. So he survives one more year and has a full rack. Then, he gets killed. So what, he still dead.
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#2973665 - 10/08/12 09:52 PM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: MUP]
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choot em
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#2973911 - 10/09/12 07:08 AM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: northeasthunter]
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I hunt bucks by age, not antler size. I will shoot any buck (even on private managed land) that is 3 1/2 or older, regardless of his antlers, even if they are both broken off. His antlers don't make him a challenge to kill, his age and what he has learned about avoiding human hunters makes him hard to kill.
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#2973923 - 10/09/12 07:25 AM Re: Hypothetical Question [Re: TN Larry]
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Seeing how I can only tag one buck here in Iowa, he would get a free pass. I see this a lot during the late ML season because some of the bucks start to shed then. I want both sides if I'm tagging a buck.
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