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#2969391 - 10/05/12 12:55 AM Re: 45-70 primitive weapons and muzzle loaders [Re: Rockhound]
cg02175
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There are multiple states that currently allow the 45-70 to be used during muzzleloader season. I don't think we need a separate/specfic season for a primitive weapon, such as the 45-70; however, I don't see the harm in allowing a single-shot style 45-70 to be used during the muzzleloader season. I hope TWRA re-visits this topic again and follows suit with what many other states currently allow. This would be a revenue boost for the state and hunting-related sales.

Don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I can't think of one good legimate reason why not to allow a primitive weapon, such as a 45-70 to be used during muzzleloader season. Thanks for all the feedback!



Edited by cg02175 (10/05/12 01:01 AM)

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#2969406 - 10/05/12 04:27 AM Re: 45-70 primitive weapons and muzzle loaders [Re: cg02175]
mike243
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I hope it never passes here.you can reload 10x faster than a smokepole & as a rule are more accurate.other States have not even allowed scopes ect.
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#2969450 - 10/05/12 06:24 AM Re: 45-70 primitive weapons and muzzle loaders [Re: bowriter]
KPH
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
The most commonly used "style" of muzzleloader are anything but primitive. I don't think that is the point any longer. Loading through the muzzle does create a limitation. Once the gun is loaded, it is certainly not primitve.

As it is, it is my opinion we do not need another season "type" nor do we need to make muzzleloader season any less primitive. However, that is just my opinion. My true feeling as that we should have one season-Oct. 1-Jan, shoot whatever you want with current limits to remain. Cost of license to be the total of the three seperate tags.

But that is just my opinion \:\)


I agree with the one season, but we will never see that again, too much mony involved.
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#2969461 - 10/05/12 06:36 AM Re: 45-70 primitive weapons and muzzle loaders [Re: mike243]
Rockhound
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 Originally Posted By: mike243
I hope it never passes here.you can reload 10x faster than a smokepole & as a rule are more accurate.other States have not even allowed scopes ect.


More accurate?? What kind of muzzleloader are you shooting head over to the guns and gunsmith forum, and check out the "im gonna call it good thread". No more accurate than todays MZ
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#2969476 - 10/05/12 06:49 AM Re: 45-70 primitive weapons and muzzle loaders [Re: KPH]
7mminatree
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Maybe they should reconfigure the seasons as in a primative weapons only which would mean a Recurve bow with no sights or mechanical aids and a muzzel loading rifle being of side lock style and open sight only and cap and ball only type ammunition. let everything else fall under general firearms. That would allow for a purists only season. I can hear all the new techies crying right now. WA WA WA WA. No fancy compound bows or high tech so called muzzel loaders. Just plain old primative only stuff.
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#2969718 - 10/05/12 10:09 AM Re: 45-70 primitive weapons and muzzle loaders [Re: 7mminatree]
cg02175
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Mike243, thanks for the post. Maybe you have one of the older muzzleloaders, but I can assure you that a 45-70 is not anymore accurate than the new style in-line muzzleloaders.

Also, the fact that you can reload a 45-70 faster than a muzzleloader is true; however, we all know that most of the time you are only going to have one shot a deer anyway. If you miss the first time, you are typically out of luck anyway, even with a 30-06. There are times to when you can get a second shoot, but this isn't something that happens alot.

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#2969903 - 10/05/12 12:47 PM Re: 45-70 primitive weapons and muzzle loaders [Re: cg02175]
Doskil
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I thought folks wanted more does killed?

This change would kill more does and provide more opportunity

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#2969980 - 10/05/12 02:15 PM Re: 45-70 primitive weapons and muzzle loaders [Re: Doskil]
cg02175
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In my opinion, I don't really see the use of a 45-70 during muzzleloader season making a significant difference in the amount of doe that are killed; however, it just makes sense. Many other states think the same thing and are already on board.
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#2969992 - 10/05/12 02:35 PM Re: 45-70 primitive weapons and muzzle loaders [Re: cg02175]
Savage
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Well, would would be the difference between that, and allowing pistol cartridge rifles in single shot, or single shot shotguns with slugs? OR even a pistol season coinciding with muzzy? Less distance, not as accurate, etc.
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#2970045 - 10/05/12 03:52 PM Re: 45-70 primitive weapons and muzzle loaders [Re: Savage]
cg02175
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Savage,

It is not really a matter of what the difference is between one weapon or another. Like many other states have already done (i.e. MS), Tennessee would have to further define what a primitive weapons actaully is.

For instance, according to the state of MS, the definition of a primitive weapon includes " a rifles of an original design, replica, re-introduction or reproduction of a type produced prior to 1900." If the state of TN adopted this defintion, and the firearms you describe met this defintion, I would say you are good to go.

If the firearms meets this criteria, accuarcy and distance wouldn't necessarily matter. My point as it relates to accuracy is that a hunter has no accuracy advantage using a primitive style 45-70 as compared to modern in-line muzzleloaders.

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