#2968928 - 10/04/12 04:58 PM
Re: Shoot'n smokelss powder
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CAMARO12
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Well then, someone explain why the Savage is safer????
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#2968931 - 10/04/12 04:59 PM
Re: Shoot'n smokelss powder
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FrontierGander
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cajones has nothing to do with it, the big reason they do it is because they are stupid and know no better.
The breech plug and the barrel steel of the savage was MADE for smokeless powder. Guys like this are the ones you see on websites saying their guns blew up and they didnt do anything wrong. Its all good and fun until the day that breech plug or barrel lets loose.
The Accuras frame isn't even of material made to handle smokeless powder stress loads.
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#2969115 - 10/04/12 07:56 PM
Re: Shoot'n smokelss powder
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FOX FIRE
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Its all fun & games till someone gets ther face put out, dont think I'd try it, aint worth have'n to have surgery to replace your face.
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#2969184 - 10/04/12 08:39 PM
Re: Shoot'n smokelss powder
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Wobblyshot1
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I've personally witnessed a model 101 Winchester explode. Somehow a mistake was made by the owner who also had reloaded the shells he was shooting with smokeless powder. The top and bottom barrel separated with the upper barrel being hurled end over end farther than I could have heaved it. The breech block was totally destroyed. The shooter was obviously injured and in retrospect blessed to be alive. The injury was not for the weak of stomach as there was plenty of blood. The 101 is a strong gun and designed to handle stout charges of smokeless powder. Those muzzle loaders are definately not intended for use with smokeless. If it were me, I'd do everything I could to get my buddies to cease this dangerous practice..
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#2969203 - 10/04/12 08:50 PM
Re: Shoot'n smokelss powder
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Well then, someone explain why the Savage is safer????
materials the bbl frame made of not designed for pressures of smokless loads
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#2969204 - 10/04/12 08:50 PM
Re: Shoot'n smokelss powder
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ratsnakeboogy
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Well then, someone explain why the Savage is safer????
I'll attempt to, but I'm not trying to bust anyone's balls. I'm not saying that what you are suggesting is gauranteed to blow people up, just that there are weak points in a muzzleloader not designed for smokeless powder.
The Savage has a bolt that locks down into the receiver, whereas most bolt muzzleloaders have a weak bolt retention pin. If the breech plug lets loose on one of these, you will get the bolt installed into your head.
The plug on the Savage in about twice as long as most regular muzzleloader plugs, has more threads, and the threads are thicker and deeper than most.
The shank of the Savage barrel is thicker, and carries that thickness out farther through the "danger zone" where most of the pressure spike occurs in smokeless powders. This is not designed into most common muzzleloaders. Like I said earlier, it could be fine for many shots and then banana peel with no warning.
As for break-action muzzleloaders, several have aluminum or pot metal frames. Under smokeless pressures they can shatter after several shots. Again, you never know how many.
That's just a few reasons, I'm sure there are many more.
Once again, I'm not trying to be a smarta$$. Do what you want, just be aware that there are differences and the differences do matter.
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#2969252 - 10/04/12 09:14 PM
Re: Shoot'n smokelss powder
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Rockhound
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The steel in a reg. Barrel are not made with smokeless in mind, savages are
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#2969271 - 10/04/12 09:25 PM
Re: Shoot'n smokelss powder
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ratsnakeboogy
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The steel in a reg. Barrel are not made with smokeless in mind, savages are
That's somewhat true depending on the manufacturer. Several barrels made In Spain were made of substandard steels and alloys.
However, several manufactures use the same barrel steel for both rifle and muzzleloaders.
Remington used the same barrel blanks (Douglas) for their 700 muzzleloader as they used for model 700 rifles. I still wouldn't load smokeless into them.
I have several 700 muzzleloaders, and two of them have custom smokeless barrels. There is no comparison between the standard barrel and the custom smokeless barrels. You can easily see the custom barrels are engineered to shoot smokeless powders safely.
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#2970478 - 10/05/12 10:06 PM
Re: Shoot'n smokelss powder
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FOX FIRE
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Seems ther was a story sevral years ago of a guy who had a savage blow up on him, I even seen some pics that were posted up & it was pretty bad, but dont know if it was ever clarified as truth or internet garbage.
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#2970514 - 10/05/12 10:40 PM
Re: Shoot'n smokelss powder
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redblood
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I have two buddies who have been shooting smokeless powder in their muzzleloaders for years with no problems. One shoots an Encore and the other shoots a CVA Accura.
A lot of folks do it
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