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#2968217 - 10/04/12 08:32 AM When using climbers
ItsBrowNdown90
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I've been wondering how to handle this situation and how some of you handle this. When you come to a tree thats much wider and the trunk and thins out as you go up makes the climber point at a downward angle. Makes for a very unstable feeling and you can't get as high as you would like. How do you guys fix this issue?
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#2968227 - 10/04/12 08:39 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: ItsBrowNdown90]
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Start with the stand at an extreme upward angle at the bottom. As you climb up you'll level out.
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#2968230 - 10/04/12 08:41 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: jbow]
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 Originally Posted By: jbow
Start with the stand at an extreme upward angle at the bottom. As you climb up you'll level out.


Yep! I've been in some trees that are so wide at the base that my climber is almost at a 60 degree angle.
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#2968233 - 10/04/12 08:42 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: ItsBrowNdown90]
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Tilt the stand way up at the bottom of the tree so it levels out as you climb. You definitely don't want the stand tilted down when you get to your hunting height. Very dangerous. If it is tilted down, climb back down and readjust your stand.
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#2968241 - 10/04/12 08:52 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: Pursuit Hunter]
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My climber has a leveling system. Meaning that I can adjust the angle of the climber when I'm in the tree via knobs that you turn. It's a really cool set up.
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#2968245 - 10/04/12 08:56 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: ghosthunter]
ItsBrowNdown90
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Thanks guys. What kind of stand do you have ghost?
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#2968253 - 10/04/12 09:00 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: ItsBrowNdown90]
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#2968254 - 10/04/12 09:01 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: ItsBrowNdown90]
jb3
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either tilt it up at start or find another tree. sometimes the bottom of my climber is about 4 feet off the ground when I start.
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#2968259 - 10/04/12 09:05 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: jb3]
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 Originally Posted By: jb3
either tilt it up at start or find another tree. sometimes the bottom of my climber is about 4 feet off the ground when I start.


Ditto. I have to grab hold of the top piece of my climber and pull myself up to the foot piece.

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#2968279 - 10/04/12 09:18 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: jbow]
.243win
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 Originally Posted By: jbow
Start with the stand at an extreme upward angle at the bottom. As you climb up you'll level out.
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#2968290 - 10/04/12 09:30 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: .243win]
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Here's a pretty slick solution for Summit users. I put a bungee for this on my stand last weekend, but have not had to use it yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N93PYwmfRXE&feature=related

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#2968296 - 10/04/12 09:41 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: TheMMAn]
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 Originally Posted By: TheMMAn
Here's a pretty slick solution for Summit users. I put a bungee for this on my stand last weekend, but have not had to use it yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N93PYwmfRXE&feature=related
I can see that it would work, but what happens if the stand somehow slips off your heels while you are adjusting it? You're screwed! It only takes a minute to climb back down and adjust it safely on the ground. For me, the litmus test is whether I would allow my son to do it and the answer is definitely no. In my younger (more invincible) years I would have done it in a heartbeat though.


Edited by Pursuit Hunter (10/04/12 09:42 AM)
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#2968321 - 10/04/12 10:02 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: Pursuit Hunter]
TheMMAn
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 Originally Posted By: Pursuit Hunter
 Originally Posted By: TheMMAn
Here's a pretty slick solution for Summit users. I put a bungee for this on my stand last weekend, but have not had to use it yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N93PYwmfRXE&feature=related
I can see that it would work, but what happens if the stand somehow slips off your heels while you are adjusting it? You're screwed! It only takes a minute to climb back down and adjust it safely on the ground. For me, the litmus test is whether I would allow my son to do it and the answer is definitely no. In my younger (more invincible) years I would have done it in a heartbeat though.


I thought about that as well. But i use the straps that secure the foot platform to the main climber, so i would use these to pull it back up. I have lost my foot climber a couple of times, and was able to get the foot platform back up. Of course, if the cable came out while pulling it back up, it would make things very interesting...

I'm thinking of adding a small strap across the toe of the foot climber, so that i can secure it to my feet before i pull the trigger, and won't have to worry about it slipping.

And also, i have my handy dandy home-made retriever hook, so i don't worry about being able to recover anything that hits the ground (except me, of course)

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#2968567 - 10/04/12 12:49 PM Re: When using climbers [Re: TheMMAn]
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I can adjust my summits cable easily and quietly on the way up if I need to. Kneel on your seat when adjusting the platform. Piece a ham:)

Edited by Mudbone (10/04/12 12:52 PM)
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#2968572 - 10/04/12 12:53 PM Re: When using climbers [Re: TheMMAn]
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Start with it at steep angle.
Start with stand as high up the tree as you can pull yourself up into it.

Don't do some of the CRAZY things some of "us" do to adjust stand when at hunting elevation. \:\)
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#2968604 - 10/04/12 01:11 PM Re: When using climbers [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
 Originally Posted By: jbow
Start with the stand at an extreme upward angle at the bottom. As you climb up you'll level out.


Yep! I've been in some trees that are so wide at the base that my climber is almost at a 60 degree angle.


that will do it

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#2968629 - 10/04/12 01:28 PM Re: When using climbers [Re: REM7]
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Nobody here is going to follow though on this suggestion, but here goes none the less: Get yourself a Etrier They are available in both grey and green, light weight, compact and are rated to 10Kn (2,248 lbf). Since I use rope on tree steps, I place my first step at head height and place a etrier on the first step. This saves me having to place two steps. It also lets me place a step on trees with exceptionally large girth as the base, which are common in the swamps of West TN.

I showed this system to a buddy who uses a climber and he immediately started using one as well. He girth hitches the Etrier to the front edge of the platform. This allows him to place his climber level on trees with large bases. It also allows him to bypass the base of the tree if it is too wide. He then climbs up the Etrier onto his platform.

Pictured is one placed on a screw in step in my backyard -not the best pic, but it will give you a good idea of how I quickly bypass the first 6 feet of any tree.

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#2968646 - 10/04/12 01:44 PM Re: When using climbers [Re: Poser]
Andy S.
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Thanks for posting this Poser. An Etrier is exactly what my buddy needs for some of his lock on stands. I will pass this along as we were just discussing some of his options the other day.
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#2968649 - 10/04/12 01:48 PM Re: When using climbers [Re: Andy S.]
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 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
Thanks for posting this Poser. An Etrier is exactly what my buddy needs for some of his lock on stands. I will pass this along as we were just discussing some of his options the other day.


They have them at Outdoor Inc in Memphis. Make sure to not get the Alpine models. Though lighter, they don't have the rigid steps and are hard to get your feet in when its dark or stepping down.
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#2968650 - 10/04/12 01:49 PM Re: When using climbers [Re: Poser]
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Cool beans man, thanks.
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#2968714 - 10/04/12 02:30 PM Re: When using climbers [Re: Andy S.]
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Poser i just ordered one great idea!!! Ill keep it in my bag on my climber.
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#2968730 - 10/04/12 02:37 PM Re: When using climbers [Re: volsgo1]
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 Originally Posted By: volsgo1
Poser i just ordered one great idea!!! Ill keep it in my bag on my climber.


Use the black sewn sling near the top to girth hitch the entire ladder to the outer most rail of your platform. Since the entire etrier is made from webbing, it will compress nicely at the botton of your pack. Or, you can just leave it attached to your climber and just use it when you need it.
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#2968749 - 10/04/12 02:52 PM Re: When using climbers [Re: Andy S.]
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I always adjust at the base. Generally I put it on say a 20 degree upward angle. But there's been times it looks almost straight up and the first 6 feet or so is a pain.
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#2968811 - 10/04/12 03:36 PM Re: When using climbers [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
...It also allows him to bypass the base of the tree if it is too wide. He then climbs up the Etrier onto his platform...






That's a great idea. I love hunting double-trees, and have had to quit using them with my climber (as they are joined at the bottom)except for a couple of times that i have taken the trouble to install screw-in steps for the first 4 or 5 feet. I also have some cypress trees on an island that i hunt that this would be perfect for.

I will be adding one of these to my backpack. Thanks

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#2969088 - 10/04/12 07:36 PM Re: When using climbers [Re: TheMMAn]
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Well, I am glad that a couple of you found that info beneficial. I was expecting to get shot down quick on that idea. Treestand manufacturers seem operate in a vacuum of ideas. If you step back, think about it for a moment and combine tree arborer gear, rock climbing gear and hunting gear, you can come up with some highly functional ideas for climbing trees. Now I am giving away one of my secrets.... with that simple adjustment, I have long hunted entire swaths of WMAs that were basically unclimbable with conventional climbers and, as a result, largely dismissed by hunters.
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#2969106 - 10/04/12 07:50 PM Re: When using climbers [Re: Poser]
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How many feet long is the Etrier?
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#2969206 - 10/04/12 08:51 PM Re: When using climbers [Re: Team Yuma]
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 Originally Posted By: Team Yuma
How many feet long is the Etrier?


Right at 6 feet.
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#2969224 - 10/04/12 08:59 PM Re: When using climbers [Re: Poser]
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I kneel in my seat, lean over and adjust when I get to my spot. I'm tied to the tree and the stand ain't going anywhere. I sure ain't climbing back down to readjust.
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#2969410 - 10/05/12 04:54 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: @fulldraw]
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If I really want to hunt a certain tree I have been known to carry a section of a climbing stick with me to get me high enough to then place my stand but Poser's idea is much more feasible and packable. Good info and I'll look into one myself.
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#2969489 - 10/05/12 07:02 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: Mike Belt]
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The cougar claw I have has two pins in one side so you can adjust it up or down; very simple but safe since the stand is always still attached to the tree.
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#2969689 - 10/05/12 09:33 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: 156p&y]
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Poser,

Could you use multiple etriers? For example, a strap on step every 6 feet with an etrier attached to it.
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#2969704 - 10/05/12 09:58 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: WMAn]
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 Originally Posted By: WMAn
Poser,

Could you use multiple etriers? For example, a strap on step every 6 feet with an etrier attached to it.


Yep, occasionally I carry two and might start doing so more frequently. The one caveat (there's that word again ) is that stepping down with boots on in the dark can be a little tricky. Its not bad, but it is tricky, so really just depends on the users dexterity. With boots on, its hard to "feel" what your feet are doing and it can be a bit physical. If you are a big guy, out of shape, not very flexible, doing this this 12 feet off the ground is not advisable, but, for most people, 6 feet off the ground won't be a problem at all. These were designed for ascending, descending not so much, but they'll work and save you time/ allow you to climb "unclimbable" trees.

I always carry 3 sewn slings because I find them very useful for all kinds of things, plus they are light and full strength. Often, I'll do a "cheat" step or two further up the tree, particularly of the tree gets wider in the middle, which happens sometimes. This isn't a full 6 feet of "cheating" but it saves me at least one step. With this combination, I can often get 25-30 feet with only 8 steps. This saves quite a bit of time.

Note, always use a lineman's belt especially when climbing down because you'll want to load your body weight onto your belt as you are stepping down.





These sewn slings can be found in the rock climbing gear section of a outdoor store. You can girth hitch 2 or 3 of them together if you needed to. Mere ounces of weight and by carrying three of these and a Etrier, you have a total of about 12 feet of sewn sling with you which could be extremely useful if you had rescue yourself or another hunter. You can also use this stuff to drag a deer, hang a deer carcass, tow your truck out of the mud etc
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#2969716 - 10/05/12 10:07 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: Poser]
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Giving away all of my secrets here.... should be charging for this


Punk Rock Tree Climbing masterclass
Presented by Poser
admission $25


The secrets to climbing trees for hunting in a light and fast "Alpine" style.

-climb the "unclimbable"
-hunt where others cannot/will not
-impress your friends and hunting partners
-get chics
-manage hangovers while in a elevated position
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#2969733 - 10/05/12 10:21 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: Poser]
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25.00 bucks Im in. Refreshments provided???
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#2969814 - 10/05/12 11:34 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
The one caveat (there's that word again ) is that stepping down with boots on in the dark can be a little tricky. Its not bad, but it is tricky, so really just depends on the users dexterity. With boots on, its hard to "feel" what your feet are doing and it can be a bit physical.


What about slipping your boots off, lowering them with your gun or bow, and descending in socks? Or, carrying a pair of climbing shoes?
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#2969822 - 10/05/12 11:38 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: volsgo1]
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 Originally Posted By: volsgo1
25.00 bucks Im in. Refreshments provided???


Yes, they are. Full menu to include:

- Braised deer shanks - participants must suck the marrow or be banned from participation without refund.
- Southwestern Squirrel
- Duck Breasts sauteed in beaver fat

A broad selection of fine whiskeys will be served, but only after climbing activities are complete. Those who overindulge may crash in yard, but will face a 4:00 am wake-up crew followed by climbing in the dark, with hang over, drills. ;\)
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#2970106 - 10/05/12 04:53 PM Re: When using climbers [Re: WMAn]
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I'm liking this idea more and more.
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#2990255 - 10/20/12 09:38 AM Re: When using climbers [Re: Poser]
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This is a thread I have read over many times & keep going back to. I am gonna have to try this typy of climbing. Very informative!!!
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