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#2963383 - 09/30/12 11:32 PM All things considered....
redblood
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are white flash cams still the way to go. Based on reviews of different model, it seems that may be the case. what do yall think?
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#2963689 - 10/01/12 09:07 AM Re: All things considered.... [Re: redblood]
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I stay away from IR cams.Year or so ago I switched to IR cams from white flash.And what I got was un mistakeable results..The number of pictures I was getting was cut in half,and of the deer pictures I was getting at night,most of the deer was looking right at the cam or was spooked. I sold both IR cams I had shortly after that and bought white flash cams. I belive deer relate the white flash to lighting but when they see the Red GLow of IR cams they freak out. I think black flash would be a good option,i'd like to get 1 and try it out.
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#2964187 - 10/01/12 02:07 PM Re: All things considered.... [Re: cecil30-30]
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The million dollar question is how will you use the camera most of the time? If you will monitor trails and crossings where deer are on the move, I'd go with a white flash that has a good trigger speed (less than 2 seconds) so you can catch the buck in the frame and reduce image blur. If your sole intent is to monitor salt licks and scrapes, where deer are more stationary, a black flash is the ticket hands down. I will occasionally use one of my white flash cams on a scrape, but I never use my black flash or IR cams on deer that will be moving. Hope this helps.
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#2964238 - 10/01/12 02:26 PM Re: All things considered.... [Re: Andy S.]
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Only thing i like about irs is the battery life. White flash, has better pics and it seems more of them. JMO
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#2964498 - 10/01/12 04:40 PM Re: All things considered.... [Re: Living2Hunt]
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I have both.. I have more white flash which I like better. Mainly because I like color pics. IR takes too many black and white during the day no matter where its put. Half the night pics just aren't clear and the flash area is just too small...

Actually notice more spooked deer from IR. I have used white flash on same farms for a long time. Deer seem to be used to it and not mind the flash. Even mature bucks..
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#2964502 - 10/01/12 04:42 PM Re: All things considered.... [Re: Living2Hunt]
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I agree - it totally depends on what you want a camera for. For my purposes, I would never use anything except a white flash.
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#2964505 - 10/01/12 04:44 PM Re: All things considered.... [Re: redblood]
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 Originally Posted By: redblood
are white flash cams still the way to go. Based on reviews of different model, it seems that may be the case. what do yall think?


Personally, I would NEVER use a white-flash cam. But to each their own.

Black-flash is the only thing I will buy.
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#2964511 - 10/01/12 04:46 PM Re: All things considered.... [Re: Living2Hunt]
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 Originally Posted By: HUNTFUN07
Only thing i like about irs is the battery life. White flash, has better pics and it seems more of them. JMO


I use all Moultrie, I'm not saying this just because Moultrie is what I use. But the battery life is awesome on the white flash.. They take thousands of pics and still have plenty of battery. One of my older models has took over 900 pics already this year and still has 78% battery left. I never have to change batteries from July til Feb. and they all take a lot of pics.. IR seems to run down twice as fast for me...
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#2964517 - 10/01/12 04:49 PM Re: All things considered.... [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: redblood
are white flash cams still the way to go. Based on reviews of different model, it seems that may be the case. what do yall think?


Personally, I would NEVER use a white-flash cam. But to each their own.

Black-flash is the only thing I will buy.


I been wanting to buy one and try it... But I love my color pics is the only thing.. And the black and white pics in daylight just pees me off..
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#2964537 - 10/01/12 05:14 PM Re: All things considered.... [Re: Nealmeally]
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Thanks guys. Good stuff here.
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#2964560 - 10/01/12 05:33 PM Re: All things considered.... [Re: Great White Stalker]
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White flash for me. I sat and watched one of my white flash cams take about 30 pics of a group of does the other evening just as it was getting dark and they never even raised their head at the flash. Its also very common that I get pics of the same mature bucks over and over again at the same camera sites through the year.
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#2966239 - 10/02/12 08:32 PM Re: All things considered.... [Re: smstone22]
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i just bought a bunch of different lower end white flash cams- 2 different moultrie models, a tasco, and a wildgame innovation. i swear the tasco had the best reviews and has impressed me the most so far, you can get them off walmart.com, shipped to your door for 50.00 bucks. very impressed so far
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#2966594 - 10/03/12 07:22 AM Re: All things considered.... [Re: smstone22]
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 Originally Posted By: smstone22
White flash for me. I sat and watched one of my white flash cams take about 30 pics of a group of does the other evening just as it was getting dark and they never even raised their head at the flash. Its also very common that I get pics of the same mature bucks over and over again at the same camera sites through the year.


If your mature deer show no reaction to white-flash, and you get can multiple picture sets of mature bucks at the same location, you are very lucky. This is not the norm. But in that rare situation, I too would stick with white-flash. The quality of the pictures is so much better, with little to no motion blur.
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#2980600 - 10/14/12 07:44 AM Re: All things considered.... [Re: BSK]
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Community high school should pay more!lol Get a blackflash the best period.
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#2980720 - 10/14/12 09:46 AM Re: All things considered.... [Re: wobblegobble]
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I have owned both. I have elected to go with red flash until the black flash cams get much cheaper and better night range. Where I put my cameras is generally pretty close to houses and or roads so I don't want people seeing a white flash trigger and adding my cameras to their pile of stolen cams. I am currently running 4 cameras. 3 Primos Truth 35's and a Scout-guard SG550V. I swap out the cards every two weeks. I average 600 pictures per week on each one. All wildlife. I have seen the red flash scare deer but not very often. The big bachelor groups consistently show up. The battery life on those Primos cams is AMAZING! I have had the same batteries in those cameras since July and last week they were still showing 70% life left in them.
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#2980792 - 10/14/12 11:11 AM Re: All things considered.... [Re: Columbia Scott]
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I haven't ran a white flash in quite some time but I have no trouble getting pics of mature bucks up very close with the red flash. I don't think they stick around as long as they would with black flash and after time you will get camera avoidance if there's nothing to draw them in front of it. Example just setting it on a trail they'll just walk out of the detection zone. I am definetly going to go towards the black flash as my budget allows though.
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#2980840 - 10/14/12 11:50 AM Re: All things considered.... [Re: wobblegobble]
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 Originally Posted By: wobblegobble
Community high school should pay more!lol Get a blackflash the best period.



HEARD THAT
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#2980988 - 10/14/12 01:55 PM Re: All things considered.... [Re: redblood]
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i just put out 2 white flash models and one IR on the farm i just bought. put 2 other white flash models out on my parents farm and my uncles farm. gonna try to determine which models i like best. i wont pay much for a trail camera, i hunt too many places, where they could disappear
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#2981162 - 10/14/12 04:16 PM Re: All things considered.... [Re: redblood]
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 Originally Posted By: redblood
i wont pay much for a trail camera, i hunt too many places, where they could disappear


That can be a problem with black-flash. Now the prices have come down as competition has increased, but you're still looking at around $200 for a good black-flash.
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#2981167 - 10/14/12 04:20 PM Re: All things considered.... [Re: Columbia Scott]
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 Originally Posted By: Columbia Scott
I have seen the red flash scare deer but not very often.


We're not talking about flash "spook," where deer jump away from the camera. We're talking more about camera "avoidance," where deer learn to move at greater distances away from the camera or avoid going near the camera at all.

I still have a few old red-glow cams, which I use on the edges of food plots. Rarely do I get pictures of deer reacting negatively to the flash. But I do notice that over time the night-time pictures involve deer farther and farther away from the camera, and if I move the camera to a new location, suddenly the number of close-up pictures greatly increases. This tells me the deer are avoiding the red-glow cameras over time.
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#2981171 - 10/14/12 04:22 PM Re: All things considered.... [Re: BSK]
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Although it increases the cost of the cameras, I've found that black-flash flash extenders definitely solve the lack of illumination common to black-flash cams. I'm now using the black-flash flash extenders made by Uway, and dang those things light up the night!

Of course, that also means you have two boxes strapped to the tree, two cable-locks for each set-up, two sets of batteries to buy, and more initial cost. But for getting pictures in food plots at night with black-flash, those flash extenders are the cat's meow.
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