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#2960703 - 09/28/12 11:46 AM Re: Little Help w/my TC Hawken Please... [Re: fairchaser]
BlountArrow
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 Originally Posted By: fairchaser
 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
 Originally Posted By: fairchaser
I use 90 grs of pyrodex RS and the maxiball in mine and it groups about MOA. Make sure your cleaning the barrel well each shot and unless you have other problems this should do the trick.


Happen to remember what grain maxi-ball? I've probably tried it, but curious.


You got me there. I thought there was only one size for the 50 cal. If I had to guess, I would say 300 gr. but I could be wrong.


No, I believe they have 320 and 370 at a minimum.
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#2960973 - 09/28/12 04:41 PM Re: Little Help w/my TC Hawken Please... [Re: BlountArrow]
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When you shoot round balls have you found any of the shot patches? If so, were they torn up or burned bad?

What were they lubed with?
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#2961061 - 09/28/12 06:52 PM Re: Little Help w/my TC Hawken Please... [Re: TennesseeJed]
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777 is the wrong powder to use with percussion caps, it will not reliably ignite or burn in a traditional muzzle loader like a Hawkin. you need either FFg loose black powder or Pyrodex RS loose BP substitute. I have shot a TC Hawkin and Renegade .54 with 100 grains Pyrodex RS and TC Maxi-Hunters lubed with bore butter for 30 years with great success. For the past 15 years I have used a bore butter rubbed wad between the bullet base and powder.

With the 100 grain loose Pyrodex load patched round balls are tack drivers in my .54 Renegade.

Do not use pellets or 777 in a traditional No. 11 percussion cap ignition MZ. You're asking for trouble and frustration.

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#2961364 - 09/29/12 05:34 AM Re: Little Help w/my TC Hawken Please... [Re: TennesseeJed]
BlountArrow
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 Originally Posted By: TennesseeJed
When you shoot round balls have you found any of the shot patches? If so, were they torn up or burned bad?

What were they lubed with?


Good question, I have found some they are not burnt or torn. They are prelubed...can't remember exactly what but I believe they were either a prelubed pack from CVA or TC.
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#2961366 - 09/29/12 05:37 AM Re: Little Help w/my TC Hawken Please... [Re: Buccaneer]
BlountArrow
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 Originally Posted By: Buccaneer
777 is the wrong powder to use with percussion caps, it will not reliably ignite or burn in a traditional muzzle loader like a Hawkin. you need either FFg loose black powder or Pyrodex RS loose BP substitute. I have shot a TC Hawkin and Renegade .54 with 100 grains Pyrodex RS and TC Maxi-Hunters lubed with bore butter for 30 years with great success. For the past 15 years I have used a bore butter rubbed wad between the bullet base and powder.

With the 100 grain loose Pyrodex load patched round balls are tack drivers in my .54 Renegade.

Do not use pellets or 777 in a traditional No. 11 percussion cap ignition MZ. You're asking for trouble and frustration.


I'm actually using a musket cap if that makes a difference in the use of 777 igniting. However, I'd really like to be able to shoot the maxi-hunter or maxi-ball so maybe I need to try that. Do you think loose FFG is a better option than FFFG? I ask because I've heard of several folks using FFFG in these side hammers, but I'm a novice to side hammers (obviously).
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#2961402 - 09/29/12 07:02 AM Re: Little Help w/my TC Hawken Please... [Re: BlountArrow]
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Some people say to use 3F in .45 and the smaller calibers and 2F above .45. I used 3F Goex black powder in the Hawken .50 I had and it shot very well.

I use 2F in my .54s and a .58 I have.
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#2961432 - 09/29/12 07:58 AM Re: Little Help w/my TC Hawken Please... [Re: TennesseeJed]
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I agree that the 777 powder might be the problem. harder to ignite and you might not be getting a consistent burn. Back in the day,before Tony Knight showed up, me and a bunch of people were using TC Hawkens and Renegades with pyrodex RS and TC Maxi-balls and doing just fine.
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#2961669 - 09/29/12 12:34 PM Re: Little Help w/my TC Hawken Please... [Re: Thunderroost]
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When I sight my rifles in it is on a bench with a few different brands and grades of blackpowder, BlountArrow. As I've said, you can see each one of mine likes something different too. I also use a wad in each cause I get tighter groups than without. Felt wads in the little .40 and .50 caliber and a 28 ga. 1/8" Nitro card in the .54 caliber.
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#2961676 - 09/29/12 12:45 PM Re: Little Help w/my TC Hawken Please... [Re: quigleysharps4570]
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I'm going to try again with some different type powder...maybe it is the 777, I just wouldn't have thought the powder could make that much difference in the groups or complete lack of grouping I guess I should say.
Do you actually wrap the maxi-ball/maxi-hunter with a wad or use one of those felt buttons? I had never heard of wrapping that type of bullet in a wad, but it sounds like some of you are doing that.
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#2962010 - 09/29/12 06:44 PM Re: Little Help w/my TC Hawken Please... [Re: BlountArrow]
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The wad goes between powder and bullet. ;\)
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