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#2947416 - 09/18/12 08:52 AM Re: A defining moment for Romney [Re: bigtex]
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All he did give the facts... Facts are like daylight to a vampire when you're a liberal.
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#2947473 - 09/18/12 09:35 AM Re: A defining moment for Romney [Re: Rebel]
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The problem with what he said is... That 47% includes: any senior living on social security only, many retired vets, many disabled vets,most college students, single working parents with 2 children that earn less than $40000. Yes it does include welfare deadbeats that fit his description, but not the majority of that 47%. And does not include the fact that working people pay pay role taxes even if they don't pay income taxes. And pay roll taxes are about the same percentage as what Romney pays in income tax.
So your 90 year old grandmother living on a social security check is a dead beat looking for a government handout, and needs to go get a job.

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#2947531 - 09/18/12 10:21 AM Re: A defining moment for Romney [Re: Red4arm]
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The problem is our system that rewards failure and punishes success.

Obamanomics is making this into a much, much bigger problem.

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#2947666 - 09/18/12 12:11 PM Re: A defining moment for Romney [Re: Red4arm]
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 Originally Posted By: Red4arm
The problem with what he said is... That 47% includes: any senior living on social security only, many retired vets, many disabled vets,most college students, single working parents with 2 children that earn less than $40000. Yes it does include welfare deadbeats that fit his description, but not the majority of that 47%. And does not include the fact that working people pay pay role taxes even if they don't pay income taxes. And pay roll taxes are about the same percentage as what Romney pays in income tax.
So your 90 year old grandmother living on a social security check is a dead beat looking for a government handout, and needs to go get a job.



He said his economic message of lowering taxes does not resonate with 47% of Americans because they do not pay those federal income taxes anyway. So far you are the only one to use the derogatory deadbeat term.
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#2947710 - 09/18/12 12:56 PM Re: A defining moment for Romney [Re: de novo]
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A bad idea and bad policy sucks no matter who it includes.
Granny, working parents... anybody.

The government should NEVER have gotten involved in peoples retirement, medical care, welfare, or a host of other "problems" created and managed by politicians.

Our country has become one crisis after another that needs "fixing". If you follow the bread crumbs back to the origin of each crisis, 99% of the time you will find bad policy and progressive/statist/socialist legislation.

SO the gubment creates a program that is DESIGNED to get votes now, and blow up later, creating a problem for the politicians to "fix" with another stupid program. Lather, rinse, repeat.

This is exactly why the original Constitution was written the way it was.... to prevent this crap.
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#2947804 - 09/18/12 02:08 PM Re: A defining moment for Romney [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Tony(D)
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and GENERAL WELFARE of the United States;


Interesting how liberals misuse the Constitution as needed - and disregard it entirely when it doesn't fit their progressive-socialist paradigm.

The Constitution is not referring to 'welfare' - in the entitlement sense - in the sited text above. In fact, if it was...why didn't the Founders institute it right off the bat? Why did it take a progressive-socialist to ram it through 150 years after the Constitution was penned?
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#2947806 - 09/18/12 02:13 PM Re: A defining moment for Romney [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Tony(D)
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and GENERAL WELFARE of the United States;


Just like a Progressive to distort the original language like that;

"general welfare" of the country simply means the well-being of the country, NOT socialized welfare handouts.
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#2947819 - 09/18/12 02:27 PM Re: A defining moment for Romney [Re: TennesseeRains]
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 Originally Posted By: TennesseeRains
Interesting how liberals misuse the Constitution as needed - and disregard it entirely when it doesn't fit their progressive-socialist paradigm.

Exactly what I was noting.

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.”

― Alexis de Tocqueville

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#2947820 - 09/18/12 02:28 PM Re: A defining moment for Romney [Re: sgtwebb1]
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#2947835 - 09/18/12 02:41 PM Re: A defining moment for Romney [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Tony(D)
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and GENERAL WELFARE of the United States;


From http://www.lawandliberty.org ;

What they meant was that the Constitution and powers granted to the federal government were not to favor special interest groups or particular classes of people. There were to be no privileged individuals or groups in society. Neither minorities nor the majority was to be favored. Rather.the Constitution would promote the "general welfare" by ensuring a free society where free, self-responsible INDIVIDUALS-rich and poor, bankers and shopkeepers, employers and employees, farmers and blacksmiths-would EQUALLY enjoy "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", rights expressed in the Declaration of Independence.
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