#2941166 - 09/12/12 05:27 PM
Ambassador Murder an Al Queda attack?
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DaveB
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Ok, I am now in the Political forum and some of our ropes are off. These attacks happened on 9/11 and anyone of us who thinks that is a coincidence is seriously mistaken.
The resident idiot at 1600 PA avenue may or may not have been aware of the increase in chatter that Fox reported, sorry no attribution, and some idiot at the Cairo Embassy used "social media" twitter to try and apologise to quiet the rioters.
There are a lot of reports indicating the Ben Ghazi riots were a front for a trained military attack-flanking maneuvers, direct and indirect (mortar)fire, and a large number of armed attackers. Just now, literally, word from Cairo of more rioting urged on by the government backed Muslim Brotherhood.
The idiot we have leading us really stretches and sends in 50 Marines to Ben Ghazi for additional security, airlifted from Spain. How many are in Kuwait, battle tested, armed, US MARINES. Not to insult the 50 being sent, but this is like peeing on a forest fire. And what is he doing in Cairo? Tweeting to these jerks?
The idiot snubs the Israeli Prime Minister who has a country run buy maniacs developing a nuclear bomb literally on his back door. Israel will be forced to pre-emptively launch on Iran. If they do not, they will have a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv an elsewhere and the auto-response will be shock and awe on the nuclear scale. And no, I do not have a tinfoil hat on.
And what does Our CINC do? Did you watch his speech from this morning? Disengaged. Bored. Not even a sense of anger could I detect. More like, I need to campaign and now I have to be Presidential, what a PIA this is. I think H. Clinton is a gutless wonder but even she at least looked angry.
The next few days are going to be very illustrative of where the USA is headed if we don't vote this idiot so far out of office he doesn't consider a run in 2016.
This is no rant.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield...before-attacks/
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#2941212 - 09/12/12 06:14 PM
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The next few days will be much like the last 3.75 years.
A few "angry" words by Obama, Hillary stomping about with her cankles falling out of her shoes, and the media steadily burying the story.
Shh.......... the Kardashians are coming on.  
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#2941214 - 09/12/12 06:15 PM
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btw, post a link to your post or they'll delete your thread.
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#2941287 - 09/12/12 07:12 PM
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There is some breaking news,
On Fox they are reporting there is NO flim, there is no 2 hour film and there is no Sam Bacile who made the so called flim.
Nobody can find the full 2 hour flim and none of the Hollywood studios ever put up any money of sets to make the movie, they never heard of it of Sam Bacile until yesterday.
So far I can't find it on the internet but they have been reporting it on Fox the last hour.
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#2941298 - 09/12/12 07:17 PM
Re: Ambassador Murder an Al Queda attack?
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I couldn't site through two hours of that.
My 9 year old son could make a better movie.
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#2941376 - 09/12/12 08:25 PM
Re: Ambassador Murder an Al Queda attack?
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Camp David
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If anyone thinks this is tied to a video, they're crazy.
How did this administration not forsee this, or did they and not do anything about it?
Why wasn't there a "high alert" warning issued and extra security provided for all embassies?
Obumbler is sending 50 troups? How about 5,000 with orders to shoot anyone who so much as touches the fence.
These people don't like us. They only like our money. When will everyone grasp that fact? This lovey/feely crap is just that.
On Romney's first day in office, he should call every middle eastern "leader" and tell them if they cross the line, it's going to be them personally held responsible (meaning they would be targeted for assination). That would stop most all of this crap.
Once again, we were attacked on 9/11, but the media and current administration will spin this as, somehow, something else altogether. What pathetic leadership we have.
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#2941461 - 09/12/12 09:05 PM
Re: Ambassador Murder an Al Queda attack?
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or did they and not do anything about it?
Yes
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#2941585 - 09/12/12 10:23 PM
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I am so freaking mad I can't see straight!!!!! I am losing it!!!
I need a valium!! What the hell is wrong with this country!!! I can't even type!
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#2941613 - 09/12/12 10:41 PM
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2 war ships en-route with Tomohak missiles.
Sounds like a slow moving plan but at least one small step forward.
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#2941767 - 09/13/12 06:39 AM
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The actress that's in the "flim" said she was only on the "set" two days and they took a break.
I've never heard of a 2 hour movie being made in 2 days.
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#2941976 - 09/13/12 10:08 AM
Re: Ambassador Murder an Al Queda attack?
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Three words.."Wag The Dog"
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#2942665 - 09/13/12 08:54 PM
Re: Ambassador Murder an Al Queda attack?
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or did they and not do anything about it? Yes
Well, that seems to be right:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...on-8135797.html
The killings of the US ambassador to Libya and three of his staff were likely to have been the result of a serious and continuing security breach, The Independent can reveal.
American officials believe the attack was planned, but Chris Stevens had been back in the country only a short while and the details of his visit to Benghazi, where he and his staff died, were meant to be confidential.
The US administration is now facing a crisis in Libya. Sensitive documents have gone missing from the consulate in Benghazi and the supposedly secret location of the "safe house" in the city, where the staff had retreated, came under sustained mortar attack. Other such refuges across the country are no longer deemed "safe".
Some of the missing papers from the consulate are said to list names of Libyans who are working with Americans, putting them potentially at risk from extremist groups, while some of the other documents are said to relate to oil contracts.
According to senior diplomatic sources, the US State Department had credible information 48 hours before mobs charged the consulate in Benghazi, and the embassy in Cairo, that American missions may be targeted, but no warnings were given for diplomats to go on high alert and "lockdown", under which movement is severely restricted.
Mr Stevens had been on a visit to Germany, Austria and Sweden and had just returned to Libya when the Benghazi trip took place with the US embassy's security staff deciding that the trip could be undertaken safely.
Eight Americans, some from the military, were wounded in the attack which claimed the lives of Mr Stevens, Sean Smith, an information officer, and two US Marines. All staff from Benghazi have now been moved to the capital, Tripoli, and those whose work is deemed to be non-essential may be flown out of Libya.
In the meantime a Marine Corps FAST Anti-Terrorism Reaction Team has already arrived in the country from a base in Spain and other personnel are believed to be on the way. Additional units have been put on standby to move to other states where their presence may be needed in the outbreak of anti-American fury triggered by publicity about a film which demeaned the Prophet Mohamed.
A mob of several hundred stormed the US embassy in the Yemeni capital Sanaa yesterday. Other missions which have been put on special alert include almost all those in the Middle East, as well as in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Armenia, Burundi and Zambia.
Senior officials are increasingly convinced, however, that the ferocious nature of the Benghazi attack, in which rocket-propelled grenades were used, indicated it was not the result of spontaneous anger due to the video, called Innocence of Muslims. Patrick Kennedy, Under-Secretary at the State Department, said he was convinced the assault was planned due to its extensive nature and the proliferation of weapons.
There is growing belief that the attack was in revenge for the killing in a drone strike in Pakistan of Mohammed Hassan Qaed, an al-Qa'ida operative who was, as his nom-de-guerre Abu Yahya al-Libi suggests, from Libya, and timed for the anniversary of the 11 September attacks.
Senator Bill Nelson, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said: "I am asking my colleagues on the committee to immediately investigate what role al-Qa'ida or its affiliates may have played in the attack and to take appropriate action."
According to security sources the consulate had been given a "health check" in preparation for any violence connected to the 9/11 anniversary. In the event, the perimeter was breached within 15 minutes of an angry crowd starting to attack it at around 10pm on Tuesday night. There was, according to witnesses, little defence put up by the 30 or more local guards meant to protect the staff. Ali Fetori, a 59-year-old accountant who lives near by, said: "The security people just all ran away and the people in charge were the young men with guns and bombs."
Wissam Buhmeid, the commander of the Tripoli government-sanctioned Libya's Shield Brigade, effectively a police force for Benghazi, maintained that it was anger over the Mohamed video which made the guards abandon their post. "There were definitely people from the security forces who let the attack happen because they were themselves offended by the film; they would absolutely put their loyalty to the Prophet over the consulate. The deaths are all nothing compared to insulting the Prophet."
Mr Stevens, it is believed, was left in the building by the rest of the staff after they failed to find him in dense smoke caused by a blaze which had engulfed the building. He was discovered lying unconscious by local people and taken to a hospital, the Benghazi Medical Centre, where, according to a doctor, Ziad Abu Ziad, he died from smoke inhalation.
An eight-strong American rescue team was sent from Tripoli and taken by troops under Captain Fathi al- Obeidi, of the February 17 Brigade, to the secret safe house to extract around 40 US staff. The building then came under fire from heavy weapons. "I don't know how they found the place to carry out the attack. It was planned, the accuracy with which the mortars hit us was too good for any ordinary revolutionaries," said Captain Obeidi. "It began to rain down on us, about six mortars fell directly on the path to the villa."
Libyan reinforcements eventually arrived, and the attack ended. News had arrived of Mr Stevens, and his body was picked up from the hospital and taken back to Tripoli with the other dead and the survivors.
Mr Stevens' mother, Mary Commanday, spoke of her son yesterday. "He did love what he did, and he did a very good job with it. He could have done a lot of other things, but this was his passion. I have a hole in my heart," she said.
Global anger: The protests spread
Yemen
The furore across the Middle East over the controversial film about the Prophet Mohamed is now threatening to get out of control. In Sana'a, the Yemeni capital, yesterday around 5,000 demonstrators attacked the US embassy, leaving at least 15 people injured. Young protesters, shouted: "We sacrifice ourselves for you, Messenger of God," smashed windows of the security offices and burned at least five cars, witnesses said.
Egypt
Egypt's Islamist President Mohamed Morsi yesterday condemned the attack in Benghazi that killed the US ambassador. In a speech in Brussels, Mr Morsi said he had spoken to President Obama and condemned "in the clearest terms" the Tuesday attacks. Despite this, and possibly playing to a domestic audience, President Obama said yesterday that "I don't think we would consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy".
Demonstrators in Cairo attacked the mission on Tuesday evening and protests have continued since.
Iraq
Militants said the anti-Islamic film "will put all the American interests Iraq in danger" and called on Muslims everywhere to "face our joint enemy", as protesters in Baghdad burned American flags yesterday. The warning from the Iranian-backed group Asaib Ahl al-Haq came as demonstrators demanded the closure of the US embassy in the capital.
Bangladesh
Islamists warned they may "besiege" the US embassy in Dhaka after security forces stopped around 1,000 protesters marching to the building. The Khelafat Andolon group called for bigger protests as demonstrators threw their fists in the air, burned the flag and chanted anti-US slogans.
Others
There was a Hamas-organised protest in Gaza City, and as many as 100 Arab Israelis took to the streets in Tel Aviv. In Afghanistan, President Hamid Karzai postponed a trip to Norway, fearing violence. Officials in Pakistan said they "expected protests". Protesters in Tunis burnt US flags.
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#2942672 - 09/13/12 08:56 PM
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Even more:
Egypt's General Intelligence Service warned that a jihadi group is planning to launch terrorist attacks against the US and Israeli embassies in Cairo, according to a report Tuesday by Egypt Independent, citing a secret letter obtained by Al-Masry Al-Youm.
According to the report, the attack is being planned by Global Jihad, the group suspected of killing 16 Egyptian border guards in Sinai on August 5.
Al-Masry Al-Youm reportedly obtained a copy of the September 4 letter, sent to all Egyptian security sectors, warning that Sinai- and Gaza-based Global Jihad cells were planning attacks on the two embassies.
Egypt's military is engaged in an ongoing campaign to root out Sinai-based terrorists.
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#2942849 - 09/13/12 11:22 PM
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An interesting story, and probably containing a lot of truth, but they reported as fact something that did not actually happen. That casts the credibility of the entire report in doubt.
....in the attack which claimed the lives of Mr Stevens, Sean Smith, an information officer, and two US Marines.
There were no U.S Marines killed, nor according to sources I consider reliable, any Marines on the mission nor at the embassy in Tripoli. They got that fundamental detail wrong. What else did they make up or accept at face value with no attempt to corroborate or verify?
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#2943314 - 09/14/12 11:19 AM
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I believe two of those killed were former or non-active Navy seals, not Marines.
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#2943330 - 09/14/12 11:30 AM
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As country after country storms and burns US embassies follow the latest developments courtesy of this Al Jazeera webcast
http://www.aljazeera.com/watch_now/
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#3248352 - 05/16/13 09:06 PM
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I bring this back to the top from our posts on 9/12/2012.
Nobody bought the BS then. Video my behind.
Obumbler doesn't know anything. Neither does Hillary or Holder. Nobody knows nothing about nothing. What a crap administration.
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#3248880 - 05/17/13 03:14 PM
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I bring this back to the top from our posts on 9/12/2012.
Nobody bought the BS then. Video my behind.
Obumbler doesn't know anything. Neither does Hillary or Holder. Nobody knows nothing about nothing. What a crap administration.
You might be on the Obama administration if you don't know nothing
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#3248932 - 05/17/13 03:59 PM
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Everything is wrong with this country period. There is a TON OF MONEY TO BE MADE BY THE FEW TO DESTROY THIS COUNTRY. THE WAR WILL COME TO THE STREETS. But the people shrug it it off. They have taken it all from Europe, Middle East, Asia. Onthing left is USA.
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#3248936 - 05/17/13 04:00 PM
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Now that said why havent they come here? There is a big reason, but they are attacking it and will continue to attack it.
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#3248965 - 05/17/13 04:53 PM
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"No one in this administration was aware of what those is this administration was doing"
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#3249020 - 05/17/13 06:04 PM
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Im still waiting for one of the big media outlets to report on the stinger missiles we gave to the Muslim Brotherhood.
I suspect that is the real reason for the suspicious circumstances surrounding the Bhengazi attack and half the reason for the cover up. They needed to manipulate the story to keep anyone from digging into WHAT Stevens was doing.
The other half was to save face in an election year.
It is interesting and sad to see how brain locked the left is in their ideology. Reality and truth are liberal kryptonite.
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#3249036 - 05/17/13 06:33 PM
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"No one in this administration was aware of what those is this administration was doing"
Not to change the subject but do some research on how Hitler ran his govt.
Hitler almost NEVER gave any orders, he would get the message to the closest people around him and then let them work out his ideas in anyway they wanted.
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#3250242 - 05/19/13 03:52 PM
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[quote=fishboy1]Im still waiting for one of the big media outlets to report on the stinger missiles we gave to the Muslim Brotherhood.
I suspect that is the real reason for the suspicious circumstances surrounding the Bhengazi attack and half the reason for the cover up. They needed to manipulate the story to keep anyone from digging into WHAT Stevens was doing.
The other half was to save face in an election year.
It is interesting and sad to see how brain locked the left is in their ideology. Reality and truth are
Fishboy1 you don't know how correct the above statement may be... The US didn't set up a no-fly zone over Libya... you can figure out the rest for yourself. The best way I can explain what I know is that was a "jihadist's missile buy-back program" going on and the Libyan Rebels AKA Ansar al Sharia (aka al Quaeda), decided to take the missiles already handed over and the suitcases full of cash that the ambassador had with him.
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#3250288 - 05/19/13 04:48 PM
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An interesting story, and probably containing a lot of truth, but they reported as fact something that did not actually happen. That casts the credibility of the entire report in doubt.
....in the attack which claimed the lives of Mr Stevens, Sean Smith, an information officer, and two US Marines.
There were no U.S Marines killed, nor according to sources I consider reliable, any Marines on the mission nor at the embassy in Tripoli. They got that fundamental detail wrong. What else did they make up or accept at face value with no attempt to corroborate or verify?
Does anybody know which branch of service Lt. Col. Gibson, Special Operations Command, was in? He was the man told to stand down and took his orders from the Defense Dept. so he must have been military and not contract personnel.
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