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#2940978 - 09/12/12 02:19 PM My opinion on broad heads this year!
Big J
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First off let me start by saying a field point will kill a deer and Indians killed millions with a stick and rock tied on the end. So shot placement with any broad head will kill a deer, even with wal-mart specials! Broadheads are high dollar now and i think well overpriced but if you can afford it, buy what you want! We are licky to have such a huge selection in the market!So with that being said here is my opinion on them this year.

I love Rage broadheads! The two blade version is unreal and they will slice a deer like an axe! I have killed deer with them and they work, unfortunately there are issues with pre deployment and it is documented. They need to address this at Rage.

Grim Reaper is a great head! Maybe The best 3 blade on the market. I have seen the detestation of that heads and it is pretty awesome. I am not sure if it is the design or just how dang sharp the thing is. It is one of the sharpest broadheads I have even seen.

I am going to switch to schwackers! I like two blade cuts and I feel the lest resistantance the better chance of pass thru. I set my bow a little light in Bow season so that if I have to hold for longer than 60 seconds, I can hold it longer. Personal preference.

Pound for pound! Money for Money! I still think the Redhead blackout products are the best bang for the buck! They have expandable and 3 blade and when it comes to sharpness, thickness and affordability without sacrificing quality. They still have the best bang for the buck!

My 2 cents!
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#2941008 - 09/12/12 02:51 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: Big J]
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Nice post!
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#2941020 - 09/12/12 03:05 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: Living2Hunt]
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I agree with everything you said. I have never shot the Blackouts. Though I have shot the Redhead Gators and I will tell you they are not woth the money. Wound channels and penetration lack with this broadhead. I shot 2 deer with this head. First was found by a miracle due to the fact that there was not a speck of blood on the ground. When I found her it was a perfect heart shot that deflected off of a rib or shoulder and came out of the back hind quarter on the other side. She only went 40 yards BUT in a thicket she was still hard to find with no blood. The next deer shot with these was an older scrub buck. My bow shoots 311 fps through a chronograph and has amazing kinetic energy. The head barely penetrated the skin hitting a shoulder blade and breaking in the hit. I found the arrow and the head had about 1.25" broken off. Saw that deer later on cameras. Needless to say I switched to the Grim Reaper and have been more than pleased since.
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#2941081 - 09/12/12 03:55 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: redheadshooter]
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I'm thinking about switching to swhacker. Mostly because fixed blades don't fly like field points.
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#2941469 - 09/12/12 09:07 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: Master Chief]
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 Originally Posted By: Master Chief
Mostly because fixed blades don't fly like field points.


Sorry, but that information is very inaccurate and is an incorrect assumption many make. In almost every case, fixed blade flight not flying like field points, can directly be attributed to tuning issues of the bow, arrow or a combination of the two. Expandables, and their low-profile design and narrow ferrules, greatly mask tuning problems that exist in people's setups.
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#2941519 - 09/12/12 09:33 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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i have used the redhead blackout fixed 3 blade with great success, a great broadhead for the money
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#2941546 - 09/12/12 09:46 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: switchbacker]
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 Originally Posted By: switchbacker
i have used the redhead blackout fixed 3 blade with great success, a great broadhead for the money


G5 Strikers is what those are! Great blades!
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#2941689 - 09/13/12 03:55 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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A point will kill a deer but can I find it is the issue. I like heads that produce a lot of blood. Thunderheads have always done that for me. Tried some others and went back to the TH. Going to try the 4 blade mangus this year.

I'm with you on the price of them. I'm a carpenter and buy a lot of cutting tools. Pound for pound broadheads are grossly over priced. I just bought 200 razor blades for 24 bucks. 18 replacement blades for thunderheads is about 20 bucks. I also buy cutting heads that fly 3450rpm and have zero flight problems and I can use them hundreds of times for less than 20 bucks cutting things that would ruin a head, a head I can use only once.
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#2941748 - 09/13/12 06:11 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: TNDeerGuy]
102
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 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
 Originally Posted By: Master Chief
Mostly because fixed blades don't fly like field points.


Sorry, but that information is very inaccurate and is an incorrect assumption many make. In almost every case, fixed blade flight not flying like field points, can directly be attributed to tuning issues of the bow, arrow or a combination of the two. Expandables, and their low-profile design and narrow ferrules, greatly mask tuning problems that exist in people's setups.


ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!

Broadhead discussions on Archery forums are almost as volatile as buck limit discussions on a Serious Deer Talk forum...VERY OPINIONATED.

Lots of discussion by LOTS of people with VERY little experience on the topic.

WE have been studying the effects of broadhead design on deer kills for THIRTY years. Also, as an aside, MUCH information has also been obtained about bow arrow combinations, bow tuning, effective rests, sights, durability of arrows, vanes vs. feathers, and a BOOK full of other related material.

In the end, assume ALL broadheads out of the package are DULL. Until you tests them. (I use a taught, small, rubber band stretched between two fingers. As I begin to push it, it should pop the band in less than an inch of push, preferably, 1/2 inch. The band simulates an artery or vein. You do not want the vein being pushed out of the way, you want it open and bleeding.

I WILL NOT PAY the RIDICULOUS prices for a package of new heads and have them open up DULL!!!

The BEST head you can buy is the widest, sharpest, most accurate blade you can afford.

Like growing big bucks where it takes ALL THREE...AGE, GENETICS, NUTRITION...YOU MUST HAVE WIDTH, SHARPNESS, ACCURACY...take away any one, and everything else suffers.
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#2941853 - 09/13/12 08:22 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: TNDeerGuy]
redheadshooter
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 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
 Originally Posted By: Master Chief
Mostly because fixed blades don't fly like field points.


Sorry, but that information is very inaccurate and is an incorrect assumption many make. In almost every case, fixed blade flight not flying like field points, can directly be attributed to tuning issues of the bow, arrow or a combination of the two. Expandables, and their low-profile design and narrow ferrules, greatly mask tuning problems that exist in people's setups.


Agreed a properly tuned bow and arrow will shoot mostly all heads the same.
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#2941870 - 09/13/12 08:36 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: 102]
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Here is something I never thought of until I started skinning and processing my own deer. A deer's hide is rather thick. When skinning them, you want to work under the skin and hide...where that stuff just peels off like an orange peel. When you start getting near the hair, you run into this thick white looking stuff. That thick white stuff and the hide itself will dull a knife rather quick...even the sharpest of knives.

That got me thinking about broadheads and their sharpness. Cutting through a deer's hide is one thing...then its gotta break through the rib cage in order to hit any vitals. If you hit shoulder muscle and bone; this dulls the blades even more.

My question is this....is a razor blade sharp broadhead really what you want? I can see the point of it IF it retained its edge once it cut past through the hide and then through the ribs and meat. BUT...the thing I think of is this...which holds its edge longer: a razor blade or a carpet cutter/utility knife? The razor blade is scary sharp and the sharpest of the two...but wouldn't cut but maybe 3 inches of thick carpet before getting so dull it wouldn't cut hot butter. The utility knife's edge doesn't come down to as fine of an edge...therefore it's not AS sharp as the razor blade but will hold its edge much much longer. I would think you would want a blade with an edge like a utility knife for hunting...that way it don't dull as fast when zipping through thick hair, hide, bone, vitals, and then out the other side.

If you look at the blades on a Slick Trick broadhead...you'll see they don't come down to as fine of an edge as some of the other products on the market...particularly the mechanical heads. Having killed several deer with the Tricks...I wonder if the blade thing is the reason why those little diameter broadheads cause so much damage and blood to be spilled. I've shot deer with 1.5 to 2 inch cut mechanicals that didn't bleed as much as a 1" cut Slick Trick.

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#2941883 - 09/13/12 08:42 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: 102]
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#2941966 - 09/13/12 09:58 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: UTGrad]
gondo
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excited to try some nap killzones... have had great luck with rage
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#2942045 - 09/13/12 11:26 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: gondo]
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 Originally Posted By: gondo
excited to try some nap killzones...


X2

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#2942145 - 09/13/12 01:18 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: cozy23]
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Been shooting thunder head 85,s for years they shoot just like my field points! And the good thing is you don't have to throw then away after you shoot a deer with it or shoot one into the ground unlike the open up broad heads that cost 30 to 40 dollars for 3. Lol
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#2942353 - 09/13/12 04:00 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: redhunterZ71]
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slick trick all the way
they are one mean head probably the strongest i have ever used so far have shot 3 deer and one yote with the same arrow same broadhead and same blades before they stop cutting my hair on my arms.with my bow tuned out to 50yrds [thats as far as i have tried them] they fly just like my field points
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#2942366 - 09/13/12 04:09 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: redhunterZ71]
102
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Look,
I am not a scientist, so giving you EXACT, scientific details on knife sharpening just isn't going to happen.

What I can do is take HUGE amounts of information, say from a data pool of FIVE HUNDRED BOW KILLED deer, and translate THAT information into something PRACTICAL.

And here is what I have learned.

Dull broadheads simply PUSH veins and arteries out of the way, rather than slicing through them thus causing more severe bleeding and a quicker death.

Afterall, archery killed deer die from BLOOD LOSS. (unless it is asphyxiation due to lung collapse and diaphram damage)

I have recovered over 200 arrow killed deer personally and been involved with HUNDREDS more, gun and bow. I am pretty sure I have seen about every wound channel imaginable, and some that should NEVER be imagined.

DULL blades kill deer. And VERY effectively when you are talking about BOTH lungs. But, according to MY experience, NOT AS EFFECTIVELY as VERY SHARP HEADS.

And finally, I will add this. So many times I have heard hunters say, "hey, I hit that deer way too far back and he dropped after running ONLY a few yards". Yet they had NO CLUE that even thought they did indeed hit the animal high and back, toward the guts, the arrow sliced through the KIDNEYS, A LETHAL but VERY low percentage shot. Or maybe "hey, I GUT shot that deer RIGHT THROUGH THE STOMACH, and it fell after only 75 yards". And yet the hunter had NO IDEA that they sliced the pyloric artery in half.

Luck always plays a role in killing. But luck plays little role in killing effectively, humanely, purposefully, and CONSISTENTLY!!!

SHARP, WIDE (as you can afford), ACCURATE.
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#2942468 - 09/13/12 06:06 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: 102]
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My broadhead of choice ? The one I have confidence in !
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#2942577 - 09/13/12 07:55 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: gondo]
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 Originally Posted By: gondo
excited to try some nap killzones... have had great luck with rage
I loved the Rage, and the 2" cut, and the blood trail they left. Last year though I had one open in flight, and cost me a deer. Brand new out of the pack a week before. Lucky for me it was a doe, and not a good Buck. I have bought 6 Killzone broad heads to try this year. Going to Presidents Island, I don't want no suprised to happen. Can't wait to see how they perform.

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#2942602 - 09/13/12 08:18 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: yamaha200]
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Swhackers! Much better and reliable than the rage!
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#2942604 - 09/13/12 08:18 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: yamaha200]
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Going to go buy some new heads tomorrow. I am torn between the nap killzones and the schwackers. I have used nap products in the past with success, thunderheads and spitfires. Every nap product hit just like my field points in the past. Has anyone shot both and have an opinion? Great thread by the way!
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#2942714 - 09/13/12 09:22 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: 102]
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 Originally Posted By: 102
Look,
I am not a scientist, so giving you EXACT, scientific details on knife sharpening just isn't going to happen.

What I can do is take HUGE amounts of information, say from a data pool of FIVE HUNDRED BOW KILLED deer, and translate THAT information into something PRACTICAL.

And here is what I have learned.

Dull broadheads simply PUSH veins and arteries out of the way, rather than slicing through them thus causing more severe bleeding and a quicker death.

Afterall, archery killed deer die from BLOOD LOSS. (unless it is asphyxiation due to lung collapse and diaphram damage)

I have recovered over 200 arrow killed deer personally and been involved with HUNDREDS more, gun and bow. I am pretty sure I have seen about every wound channel imaginable, and some that should NEVER be imagined.

DULL blades kill deer. And VERY effectively when you are talking about BOTH lungs. But, according to MY experience, NOT AS EFFECTIVELY as VERY SHARP HEADS.

And finally, I will add this. So many times I have heard hunters say, "hey, I hit that deer way too far back and he dropped after running ONLY a few yards". Yet they had NO CLUE that even thought they did indeed hit the animal high and back, toward the guts, the arrow sliced through the KIDNEYS, A LETHAL but VERY low percentage shot. Or maybe "hey, I GUT shot that deer RIGHT THROUGH THE STOMACH, and it fell after only 75 yards". And yet the hunter had NO IDEA that they sliced the pyloric artery in half.

Luck always plays a role in killing. But luck plays little role in killing effectively, humanely, purposefully, and CONSISTENTLY!!!

SHARP, WIDE (as you can afford), ACCURATE.



102,

Is there a REASON you have to capitalize your main points in a post? It comes across to me like I'm getting LECTURED. I appreciate your knowledge but you are not the ONLY person with solid advice or opinion.

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#2942874 - 09/14/12 03:26 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: UTGrad]
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I can and will "lecture" if someone wants to be lectured.
But capitalizing was not intended to "LECTURE" in my writing.

I capitalize to EMPHASIZE a point I am trying to make.

And that point is to try to shed some light on yet another way for the TV media "propaganda bandits" to separate so many hard working hunters from their hard earned dollars.

It is absolutely NOT necessary to spend FIFTEEN dollars per broadhead to kill a deer effectively. There are PLENTY of SHARP, ACCURATE, and WIDE heads that one can buy that will do nicely.

If this comes across as a lecture, or "a gorilla beating his chest" or a "know it all" or whatever may offend, just place me on your ignore list and all will be fine.

But before you do this, I ask you to help me understand how can I can help other fellow bowhunters NOT make some of the same irritating, wasteful, costly and SICKENING mistakes I have made over the past 30 years by sharing my knowledge WITHOUT sounding like a know it all?

Or someone "beating my own chest". Or someone trying to brag or whatever.

It's funny, but in the past, when I have spoken in groups, I don't get this same reaction as I do occasionally on a message board. I wonder if it is just easier to voice agitation with a writer.

And one more thing. If I were asking questions about a topic like broadheads or ANYTHING to do with any subject for that matter, I would want answers from people who had the MOST experience available. NOT from people who just had ideas or a little experience. If that sounds like ego issues, ignore me.
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#2942990 - 09/14/12 06:51 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: W.Seay]
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At times it appears 102 comes across as cocky, arrogant and whatever you want to think. in the past I have felt the same way. I now look at him as trying to get across his experiences so other people learn not to make mistakes he may have made in the past. I am sure he will admit he doesn't know everything but him and his hunting buddies have a lot of experience. Now, when he starts chasing gut shot deer like Bowriter and name dropping we can all kick him in the nuts but until then I will try to learn what I can.
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#2943164 - 09/14/12 09:21 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: richmanbarbeque]
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102 -- You're alright by me. No complaints here. Experience is the best teacher....listening to experience is right there with it. Sometimes newer archers act just like teenagers...they know it all and ain't nobody gonna tell them different. Then they get some time under their belt and they see them ole folks weren't as dumb and outdated as they first thought.

Now onto broadheads. I like mine sharp as well but I look at blade thickness and material as well. I like the concept of mechanical heads but I find most have really thin blades with very fine sharpened edges...basically my findings have been that these edges will dull extremely fast and why so many are bent or broken upon retrieving...just aren't built well. VS some of the thick blade fixed heads....where you can blow through a deer and still be sharp enough to cut you really bad.

Two of the sharpest out of pack broadheads I've handled have been the Slick Tricks and a G5 Stryker. In mechanicals it would be the Grim Reapers. I have a Slick Trick my wife killed a deer with that still has hair and gore on it...the blades aren't nicked or rolled over and its still sharper than some heads I've pulled straight out of the packages.

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#2943220 - 09/14/12 10:06 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: richmanbarbeque]
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 Originally Posted By: richmanbarbeque
At times it appears 102 comes across as cocky, arrogant and whatever you want to think. in the past I have felt the same way. I now look at him as trying to get across his experiences so other people learn not to make mistakes he may have made in the past. I am sure he will admit he doesn't know everything but him and his hunting buddies have a lot of experience. Now, when he starts chasing gut shot deer like Bowriter and name dropping we can all kick him in the nuts but until then I will try to learn what I can.


x2 on 102, Rich.

I think this is my 43 consecutive bow season. I've seen a lot of changes and waded through a lot of bs during those years. You learn to recognize knowledge. When 102 and Radar speak about bows and bow hunting, I listen and learn.
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#2943271 - 09/14/12 10:45 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: scn]
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What ever happened to Muzzy brand heads? I shot those for years until this year. My belief is that the arrows are going so fast now that any discrepency between broadhead and wind will throw it off. They act like "canards" on an aircraft. I switched to mechanicals because, in my experiance, were more accurate than my ol Muzzies. I have killed many deer with a fixed blade head. But speed exemplifies inconsistencies in arrow/broadhead/fletching configurations. Its all just a theory though.
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#2943302 - 09/14/12 11:09 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: thejetman]
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 Originally Posted By: thejetman
What ever happened to Muzzy brand heads? I shot those for years until this year. My belief is that the arrows are going so fast now that any discrepency between broadhead and wind will throw it off. They act like "canards" on an aircraft. I switched to mechanicals because, in my experiance, were more accurate than my ol Muzzies. I have killed many deer with a fixed blade head. But speed exemplifies inconsistencies in arrow/broadhead/fletching configurations. Its all just a theory though.


It actually is not a theory, you have brought up a very valid point, one that many don't consider—the effects on air movement around a broadhead and the proper fletching. Even though many of us agree that the key to proper arrow flight is a properly tuned arrow and bow, the correlation between broadhead flight and the type of fletching is often removed from the equation because of the popularity of the mini fletchings such as the Blazer. In certain cases, some of the larger profile designed broadheads will require the stability and control a larger fletching, such as a 4-inch vane, will give so that it negates, or minimizes, the effects of the "canard" effect coming from the front of the arrow.

Muzzy's are stone-cold killers and have definately stood up to the test of time, but I have seen in several cases that they can be finicky. All that is needed is the time and patience to figure out the "sweet-spot" of someone's entire setup. Most just don't take the time, or have the tools, to find that "sweet-spot"—it's not intended as a knock, just a fact.
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#2943333 - 09/14/12 11:31 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
 Originally Posted By: thejetman
What ever happened to Muzzy brand heads? I shot those for years until this year.


Muzzy's are stone-cold killers and have definately stood up to the test of time, but I have seen in several cases that they can be finicky. All that is needed is the time and patience to figure out the "sweet-spot" of someone's entire setup. Most just don't take the time, or have the tools, to find that "sweet-spot"—it's not intended as a knock, just a fact.

x 2

Muzzys had been my head of choice for many, many years.
But believe there are better-flying heads today, reasonably priced.

This year, I'm hunting with 4-blade Slick-Tricks which I believe are a tad more forgiving and with more total cutting edge than the 3-blade muzzys.

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#2943348 - 09/14/12 11:43 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
[quote=thejetman]What ever happened to Muzzy brand heads? I shot those for years until this year. My belief is that the arrows are going so fast now that any discrepency between broadhead and wind will throw it off. They act like "canards" on an aircraft. I switched to mechanicals because, in my experiance, were more accurate than my ol Muzzies. I have killed many deer with a fixed blade head. But speed exemplifies inconsistencies in arrow/broadhead/fletching configurations. Its all just a theory though.



Right. I had to refletch my arrows to make the Muzzies shot right. I had to remove the blazer vanes. And I installed Bigger fusion vanes with a helical fletch. Then I had to spend a week dialing it in. Then, I bought some Rage heads, and had to start all over. The muzzies shot high out of the same setup, 4 inches to be exact. With older, slower bows, the effect of wind accross the blades was negligable at best. But, the faster an object moves through air, the more suseptable it is to drag, at any point, and will then make small differences in resistance huge differences in flight.


Edited by thejetman (09/14/12 11:44 AM)
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#2943363 - 09/14/12 11:50 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
 Originally Posted By: thejetman
What ever happened to Muzzy brand heads? I shot those for years until this year.


Muzzy's are stone-cold killers and have definately stood up to the test of time, but I have seen in several cases that they can be finicky. All that is needed is the time and patience to figure out the "sweet-spot" of someone's entire setup. Most just don't take the time, or have the tools, to find that "sweet-spot"—it's not intended as a knock, just a fact.

x 2

Muzzys had been my head of choice for many, many years.
But believe there are better-flying heads today, reasonably priced.

This year, I'm hunting with 4-blade Slick-Tricks which I believe are a tad more forgiving and with more total cutting edge than the 3-blade muzzys.


I also found that the pack of Muzzy heads I bought this year to be all over the board in variations to weight. I have a set of muzzy blades from 10 years ago that are sharper and tighter in respect to weight then the pack I bought this year. My old ones flew just fine. But, for some reason, the ones I got this year would not group at all. Period. They were all over the place. Different manufacturing techniques? I don't know. Also I want to add, Its really hard to fletch a Nano diameter arrow with a helical fletch. There is almost no surface area left on the back of the arrow when its all said and done.
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#2943666 - 09/14/12 05:42 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: Crow Terminator]
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 Originally Posted By: Crow Terminator
102 -- You're alright by me. No complaints here. Experience is the best teacher....listening to experience is right there with it. Sometimes newer archers act just like teenagers...they know it all and ain't nobody gonna tell them different. Then they get some time under their belt and they see them ole folks weren't as dumb and outdated as they first thought.

Now onto broadheads. I like mine sharp as well but I look at blade thickness and material as well. I like the concept of mechanical heads but I find most have really thin blades with very fine sharpened edges...basically my findings have been that these edges will dull extremely fast and why so many are bent or broken upon retrieving...just aren't built well. VS some of the thick blade fixed heads....where you can blow through a deer and still be sharp enough to cut you really bad.

Two of the sharpest out of pack broadheads I've handled have been the Slick Tricks and a G5 Stryker. In mechanicals it would be the Grim Reapers. I have a Slick Trick my wife killed a deer with that still has hair and gore on it...the blades aren't nicked or rolled over and its still sharper than some heads I've pulled straight out of the packages.


I have had the same experience with Slick Tricks and G5 Strykers . Both have thick , strong blades that hold a good edge , and a low profile that flies well at higher speeds .
I also shoot mechanicals , such as the Rage , and I'll be trying the new Ulmer Edge this year .
I have learned through experience that the best broadhead is the one I have confidence in , that flies the best out of my setup , and is a durable head . I sharpen any dull blades before using .
One thing that bothers me about these forums are some of of newer Bowhunters who we have all helped get started out right on this forum , disrespecting the older guys like 102 who have more experience . I always looked up to my mentors who helped me out , long before the Internet .
I guess it's easier to disrespect someone behind a computer monitor .
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#2943751 - 09/14/12 07:21 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: thejetman]
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 Originally Posted By: thejetman
 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
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What ever happened to Muzzy brand heads? I shot those for years until this year.


Muzzy's are stone-cold killers and have definately stood up to the test of time, but I have seen in several cases that they can be finicky. All that is needed is the time and patience to figure out the "sweet-spot" of someone's entire setup. Most just don't take the time, or have the tools, to find that "sweet-spot"—it's not intended as a knock, just a fact.

x 2
Dude! You shooting a nano hunting?

Muzzys had been my head of choice for many, many years.
But believe there are better-flying heads today, reasonably priced.

This year, I'm hunting with 4-blade Slick-Tricks which I believe are a tad more forgiving and with more total cutting edge than the 3-blade muzzys.


I also found that the pack of Muzzy heads I bought this year to be all over the board in variations to weight. I have a set of muzzy blades from 10 years ago that are sharper and tighter in respect to weight then the pack I bought this year. My old ones flew just fine. But, for some reason, the ones I got this year would not group at all. Period. They were all over the place. Different manufacturing techniques? I don't know. Also I want to add, Its really hard to fletch a Nano diameter arrow with a helical fletch. There is almost no surface area left on the back of the arrow when its all said and done.
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#2943754 - 09/14/12 07:23 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: Radar]
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 Originally Posted By: Radar
 Originally Posted By: Crow Terminator
102 -- You're alright by me. No complaints here. Experience is the best teacher....listening to experience is right there with it. Sometimes newer archers act just like teenagers...they know it all and ain't nobody gonna tell them different. Then they get some time under their belt and they see them ole folks weren't as dumb and outdated as they first thought.

Now onto broadheads. I like mine sharp as well but I look at blade thickness and material as well. I like the concept of mechanical heads but I find most have really thin blades with very fine sharpened edges...basically my findings have been that these edges will dull extremely fast and why so many are bent or broken upon retrieving...just aren't built well. VS some of the thick blade fixed heads....where you can blow through a deer and still be sharp enough to cut you really bad.

Two of the sharpest out of pack broadheads I've handled have been the Slick Tricks and a G5 Stryker. In mechanicals it would be the Grim Reapers. I have a Slick Trick my wife killed a deer with that still has hair and gore on it...the blades aren't nicked or rolled over and its still sharper than some heads I've pulled straight out of the packages.


I have had the same experience with Slick Tricks and G5 Strykers . Both have thick , strong blades that hold a good edge , and a low profile that flies well at higher speeds .
I also shoot mechanicals , such as the Rage , and I'll be trying the new Ulmer Edge this year .
I have learned through experience that the best broadhead is the one I have confidence in , that flies the best out of my setup , and is a durable head . I sharpen any dull blades before using .
One thing that bothers me about these forums are some of of newer Bowhunters who we have all helped get started out right on this forum , disrespecting the older guys like 102 who have more experience . I always looked up to my mentors who helped me out , long before the Internet .
I guess it's easier to disrespect someone behind a computer monitor .


Good post brother!
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#2943761 - 09/14/12 07:30 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: Big J]
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I have a lot of respect for all hunters. Including the newbie that is looking for the correct way to do things in the woods. I have a lot of respect for Radar, BBQ,SCN and even that lunatic bowriter. J/K buddy. I have been hunting for a while and I still don't think I know jack squat. So cool the testosterone and listen before speaking! Just my 2 cents.
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#2943873 - 09/14/12 08:47 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: Big J]
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Well I'm getting a good whoopin online here but I still think 102 acts "holier than thou". Sure he is knowledgeable but he lurks on the forum to jump out and give a thesis statement. I appreciate the advice but 102's delivery comes across like he is the word from the burning bush.

Radar, you've been blasting me for a while now, nothing new. I will say archery has been my passion for a few years now and I'm not a rookie anymore. It gets old being treated like a rookie.

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#2943896 - 09/14/12 09:20 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: UTGrad]
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Well I'm getting a good whoopin online here but I still think 102 acts "holier than thou". Sure he is knowledgeable but he lurks on the forum to jump out and give a thesis statement. I appreciate the advice but 102's delivery comes across like he is the word from the burning bush.

Radar, you've been blasting me for a while now, nothing new. I will say archery has been my passion for a few years now and I'm not a rookie anymore. It gets old being treated like a rookie.


Whatever , it's posts like this that turn me off to posting on forums anymore . I'm glad there are a few experienced voices out there to mentor those getting thier start in bow hunting . Some appreciate it , some dont . There is a big difference between killing foam than there is killing deer !
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#2943904 - 09/14/12 09:29 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: UTGrad]
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 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
I will say archery has been my passion for a few years now and I'm not a rookie anymore. It gets old being treated like a rookie.


How many years is "a few years"? 2,3 at the most. most of these guys have 25+ years of experience,hell I'm still a rookie compared to most of them and I have 20 years myself.
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#2943905 - 09/14/12 09:30 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: Radar]
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Radar I appeciate all your help but I still remember your thread from last year when you didn't call me by name but Secret Squirrel told you I did a mid year bow swap. You blasted me pretty good. Well, that MR6 is a mighty fine bow and will be in the woods for another season. It draws smooth and it is a shooter. I wouldn't be surprised if you knew how I got the funds to buy that bow. Well let me say I shoot the MR6 almost everyday and don't regret it one bit. I got my "value" out of the deal.
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#2943908 - 09/14/12 09:35 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: Radar]
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I have been shooting a bow for nearly all my life. I have been hunting deer for a few years and i still dont know nothing and i apperciate all the input. shooting a bow and shooting deer are two completly different things
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#2943913 - 09/14/12 09:42 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: ImThere]
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Archery and hunting are two different sports. Just happens we bowhunt where the two sports meet.

I'm not saying I'm some awesome hunter, but in regards to archery I'm not a rookie neither a pro. The old timers on here like to jump on folk that are trying new expandable broadheads or the newest bows on the market. Soemtimes the old timers can come across as "holier than thou".

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#2943914 - 09/14/12 09:45 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: fourwheeler431]
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 Originally Posted By: fourwheeler431
 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
I will say archery has been my passion for a few years now and I'm not a rookie anymore. It gets old being treated like a rookie.


How many years is "a few years"? 2,3 at the most. most of these guys have 25+ years of experience,hell I'm still a rookie compared to most of them and I have 20 years myself.


Err one of you should respect my authority. I'm rockin about a whole month of experience \:\)

I appreciate people who are smart, not really talking about 102, I never have paid mind to his posts but by what you guys say he is smart. In fact, I didn't join this forum to make friends. I got interested in reading people like BSKs posts and knew it would be a great oppurtunity to learn. Therefore I feel we should ignore 102s annoying way of emphasizing words and pay attention to what he says...

For example-Ive been shooting my bow sighted in to shoot my broadheads different than my field points. As you probably seen earlier in this thread someone(tndeerguy) told me this shouldn't happen. I looked in my manual, adjusted my nock point and now my broadheads are flying right.


Edited by Master Chief (09/14/12 09:47 PM)
Edit Reason: Ohh and btw.. I do agree with UTGrad-some people act cocky that are smart-that's why I ignore them
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#2944087 - 09/15/12 08:38 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: UTGrad]
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 Originally Posted By: UTGrad


I'm not saying I'm some awesome hunter, but in regards to archery I'm not a rookie neither a pro. The old timers on here like to jump on folk that are trying new expandable broadheads or the newest bows on the market. Soemtimes the old timers can come across as "holier than thou".


There is a extremely vast difference between the knowledge and experience of someone that has been in the sport 2-3 years and someone that has been doing it for 20 plus years—that realization will come with time. In addition, it is very hard to put a personalization through the internet and certain things can sometimes can be taken the wrong way because of the void of tone and expressions—that's the downside of the ethernet cable world. That being said, I'm sure that you mean just as well as others everyone else on here, otherwise we wouldn't be here, but there have been many times the same could be said about topics you have brought up (the apperance of being "holier than thou")—the long stabilizer that everyone must try, a lightning fast bow that everyone must have, Rage broadheads and so forth. In certain cases, it may have been a delivery problem on your end, or a problem with the interpretation of the message by the end reader, but that is the world we live in on here and we just have to deal with it—you mean no harm, everyone here knows that. I know you meant only to help, or to offer another perspective, but several times it just didn't come across that way and others with vast experience only pointed out, for the benefit of others, certain weaknesses in the reasoning of the topic. I see no problem with anyone sharing what they have seen, witnessed or learned—that is how we all learn, but I see it all to often in many situations in life where people get upset because someone with alot more experience has shared something that they have learned through life and someone else gets upset because it goes against what they have known so far. They are not expecting you to change, unless you are blantantly wrong, just to open your eyes to see another side of a situation and be open to change and not expect that others just pile on and do as you do.

I hope this hasn't been taken as a knock on you, that certainly isn't the intent, because there are many times that the same "holier than thou" thing could be said of any of us because we believe so much in the what we do and the products we use that it sometimes is a good thing to a fault.

This entire post is a general statement that applies to everyone at all parts of our lives, and I think it needed to be said. Plus, I feel like I'm having a "zen" type of morning anyway. Keep'em flying straight and one week to go!!!! \:\)
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#2944151 - 09/15/12 09:58 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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So true TNDeerGuy
Glad you said this Thanks
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#2944155 - 09/15/12 10:14 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: smokepolemonky]
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Great post TNDeerGuy. The internet is great for dispensing information (both good and bad), but really sux at giving a look at the posters tone, attitude, etc.
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#2944218 - 09/15/12 12:19 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: scn]
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Great post TNDeerGuy. The internet is great for dispensing information (both good and bad), but really sux at giving a look at the posters tone, attitude, etc.


Agreed X2 scn.

I "lurk" around this forum? I am confused. Is "lurking" checking out interesting topics and then adding to the discussion where one wants to interject? If so...I am guilty.

And capitalizing to emphasize is a bad thing?

O-k, I did not know that. Although I did get "schooled" on the fact that typing in caps is akin to shouting. I heard this several years ago when Tndeer was new.

In response to UTGrad's statements towards me, I am surprised.

I only wish to help. Not to criticize or condemn at random. I truly only wish to share my experience and knowledge to teach those who might need help in ANY area of archery, ESPECIALLY with regard to bowhunting white tailed deer.

When I read posts from others, it always helps me to know a little about them. for instance, I have learned from BSK himself that he, by his own admission, knows a great deal about deer. And about deer management. But he freely and openly admits he is a gun hunter, and, according to him, not a very good one.

So when BSK writes about deer behavior or management, I listen and pay attention to what he writes. This information, translated, helps me hunt successfully.

Bowriter has tremendous experience all over North America chasing and bowhunting game. He is very experienced hunter and I think has probably forgotten more about hunting deer than most will ever know.

I know a few other really good hunters on here that are killing machines, probably good hunters. Deer Assassin, scn, and Wes P to name a few are also reputed to me by a reliable source to be good at hunting.

I do not intend to act like a "know it all". If I have impressed anyone that I am a know it all, then so be it.

But again, I can only try to help.

I will tell you one thing for sure. NOBODY...not one hunter in the world, knows it all. But there are many, many, that know a whole bunch because they have been hunting a long time, and killed a whole bunch of deer. And been around a whole bunch of deer killing. And are good at getting close to and putting a killing shot on deer, regularly.

I know several like this. And when they talk, I pay attention.
ESPECIALLY if they are handing out free advice!!!

If anyone says they have an opinion on a broadhead, or bow, or tree stand, etc., I may or may not reply.

But if someone states a "fact" about something of which I am very familiar, through experience, trial and error,(like trailing gut shot deer), I will probably chime in.

Again, if killing over two hundred deer by arrow, several P/Y, many more mature, many public land deer, and several gun deer over a 30 year span does not cause you to pay attention to what that hunter says, then I suggest you ignore me, bowriter, deer assasin, scn, Wes P, and SEVERAL others here on Tndeer.

And while I am writing what may well be my final farewell to talk forums (me too Radar), let me add this from thie "OLD TIMER".
I have kept up with technology, Over the three decades of bow hunting I have used 17 different bows, COUNTLESS broadheads, and different KE set-ups. Not to mention competed at the National level and extreme competition at the local and State level.

I am now shooting a Mathews with a carbon arrow and Magnus Stinger head.
I have killed more deer with mechanicals and fixed than you can imagine.

And one of my favorite aspects of this sport is playing around with different KE set-ups and broadheads.

Yes, I am older than several of you, but not as old as you think.(mostly I use the age thing to help get my deer out)
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#2944229 - 09/15/12 12:47 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: 102]
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Hope you are not a stranger, 102. When you speak, I listen, because I know it is the voice of experience. And, I know that experience reflects both the good and the bad. The posting by folks like you and Radar is not an ego stroking IMO. It is freely giving information to help newcomers benefit from mistakes you have made along the way or seen made in your years of bowhunting. FWIW, you have NEVER come across as a know it all to me.

One of the deals with young folks is learning when they should be listening instead of talking. Fortunately, it isn't a terminal affliction in most cases and most eventually grow out of it. I'd venture a guess that most of us have gone through the stage, and time and the school of hard lessons has worn off some edges.

I know that you, like me, post to help newcomers out just like you and I were helped many years ago. Again, its really hard on a keyboard to get that tone across.

I need to learn some more, 102, becasue contrary to what you may have been told I have a lot to learn about our great sport. I remain fully able to screw something up every time I hit the woods.
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#2944295 - 09/15/12 02:45 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: scn]
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Wow...this thread really went somewhere,

Hope to keep hearing from radar and 102.

Like utgrad's post and intensity too. That being said, remember how little he knew a few short years ago...and how much people here were willing to help. Hate to see the getting crosswise with some that have great knowledge to share and immense experience.

I've pm'd with 102 and cam tell you he is humble and more than willing to help.

On point, I think the broadheads game is changing with the performance of today's bows and arrow combos.

I've got a review of killzones coming soon as I have now killed 2 with them, trailed 2 more and also shot 3 with a rage in that time.

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#2944328 - 09/15/12 03:42 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: BowGuy84]
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I'll be very interested in your Killzone review. NAP has always been one of my favorite broadhead companies.
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#2944364 - 09/15/12 04:58 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: scn]
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I have enjoyed helping newcomers get started in bowhunting through this forum , hoping that they did not repeat the same mistakes that I have over the years . Im still learning to this day through my own experiences and from other hunters as well.
As for the way I post , I do like to rib UTGrad a little , but I mean no harm or disrespect . Its a far cry from blasting someone . I will debate , and like any debate , it should not be taken personal . I'm quiet in person and do not intend to be a know it all .
I just like to help others , not stroke my ego . One more thing , I don't agree with everything that 102 posts about his choice in broadheads , because they differ from my personal choices , I do however respect him as a fellow Bowhunter with a great deal of experience .
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#2944449 - 09/15/12 06:25 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: Radar]
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Sorry to cause a fuss. Come on deer season. One week!!
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#2944492 - 09/15/12 06:59 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: UTGrad]
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 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
Sorry to cause a fuss. Come on deer season. One week!!


Hope you bust a big one next Sat. I'm interested in an Ulmer report.
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#2944498 - 09/15/12 07:09 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: UTGrad]
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UT,
PM me when you get an arrow through one. If you don't see it fall and need a little "verbal support", I might be able to help.

And Radar, about the broadheads, one of the BEST heads is a 2 inch COC, rearward deploying (looses less energy on deployment), mechanical shot out of a WELL tuned bow.

OR...a Muzzy.

OR...a Thunderhead!

OR...any head that goes through BOTH lungs of a deer, about mid lung.

BUT...I like ECONOMICAL value.

I like to shoot often. At deer, turkey, coyote.

And I simply am too cheap to shoot expensive heads.

If I can find FREE heads, that work very effectively, that is what I shoot.

That is why I shoot Magnus Stinger 4 blade COC fixed.

But...(again with the buts) I highly value your opinion. Especially when it comes to bows and equipment. I know you know your stuff.
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#2944503 - 09/15/12 07:18 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: scn]
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Jumped a big shooter this morning after the hunt from the stand on the first day of the Mo. Season . He was no more than 100 yards from my truck and bedded only 30 yards from a well traveled access drive . Lesson learned , I should have just walked back to the truck instead of scouting along the drive to see where they were crossing . Biggest buck I have seen while hunting in Mo. So far . Just hope I didn't bump him out of the area , but they are used to the landowners in the area.
Good luck to everyone this season . Shoot the broadhead you have confidence in , and put it in the vitals !
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#2944725 - 09/15/12 08:48 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: Radar]
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 Originally Posted By: Radar
Jumped a big shooter this morning after the hunt from the stand on the first day of the Mo. Season . He was no more than 100 yards from my truck and bedded only 30 yards from a well traveled access drive . Lesson learned , I should have just walked back to the truck instead of scouting along the drive to see where they were crossing . Biggest buck I have seen while hunting in Mo. So far . Just hope I didn't bump him out of the area , but they are used to the landowners in the area.
Good luck to everyone this season . Shoot the broadhead you have confidence in , and put it in the vitals !


Amen and good luck...hope you get him

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#2944954 - 09/16/12 07:00 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: double browtine]
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 Originally Posted By: double browtine
Going to go buy some new heads tomorrow. I am torn between the nap killzones and the schwackers. I have used nap products in the past with success, thunderheads and spitfires. Every nap product hit just like my field points in the past. Has anyone shot both and have an opinion? Great thread by the way!


I can say this about ThunderHeads, they don't weight what they claim and I called them on it and it was confirmed. A 100 weighs 106-8, that's 6% more. It is a difference enough to make flight change from points to heads and also why I'm not all that concerned about the two hitting the same spot. Just saying you could experience a change in flight with the killzone and that could be the reason why, still could be a killing machine.
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#2944963 - 09/16/12 07:23 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: scn]
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 Originally Posted By: scn
 Originally Posted By: richmanbarbeque
At times it appears 102 comes across as cocky, arrogant and whatever you want to think. in the past I have felt the same way. I now look at him as trying to get across his experiences so other people learn not to make mistakes he may have made in the past. I am sure he will admit he doesn't know everything but him and his hunting buddies have a lot of experience. Now, when he starts chasing gut shot deer like Bowriter and name dropping we can all kick him in the nuts but until then I will try to learn what I can.


x2 on 102, Rich.

I think this is my 43 consecutive bow season. I've seen a lot of changes and waded through a lot of bs during those years. You learn to recognize knowledge. When 102 and Radar speak about bows and bow hunting, I listen and learn.


I haven't been around any of you enough to know what you know, but I do know he's right about sharpness. Rapid blood lose is the key to a short track job and razor sharp is the best at doing that.

There is nothing sharper than a broken toilet believe it or not and if anyone is ever cut by one you won't know it till you see the blood flowing rapidly all over. Razor sharp is it.
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#2945050 - 09/16/12 09:16 AM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: nodog]
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Yeah! Beyond scary sharp is the only way. Blade thickness being next.
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#2945151 - 09/16/12 12:43 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: Big J]
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You guys do realize we've been arguing this for no real reason. Tennessee size whitetail deer are like shooting through a wet paper bag. Our average doe is what, 70-80 lbs field dressed? Our biggest bucks might go 150 field dressed...MIGHT. I dare say the average 2-3 yr old TN buck is 125-130 lbs. I've killed 2 that scored in the upper 120s and one in the 130s that field dressed what they scored lol

A well placed .177 cal pellet from an air rifle will kill one. I've killed two so far with just knives. You ain't lived til you've tried to put down a car hit deer that you think is about already dead...that comes back to fight for every ounce of life left in it.

What concerns me most are hearing and seeing more hunters making statements like "just put an an arrow in it somewhere and the Rage will take care of the rest". Usually made after they completely gut shoot one.

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#2947169 - 09/17/12 10:50 PM Re: My opinion on broad heads this year! [Re: Crow Terminator]
holstonangler
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Such an emphasis on sharpness and cutting diameter, when a flint arrowhead got the job done well. lol As the saying goes, maybe its the indian and not the arrow or maybe its the margin of error that keeps decreasing as broadheads keep getting more efficient. Whatever it might be, I'll be shooting rages again this year and maybe switching to Ol Hanks Swackers.
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