#1420125 - 07/23/09 01:54 PM
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just speaking from experience, having grew up around farming and all my friends farming, I'm like some others, regardless of how much fun you have deer hunting, crops are these guys main income and I for one say that no more respect than the american farmer get today anyway, anyone would be stupid to think there personal hobby or "passion" comes before anyone's livelihood. I've shot deer with permits and left them laying, but I've also gave them to migrant workers who were tickled to have them. No farmer wants to leave them laying and I've seen first hand what a deer skeleton will do to a combine. For those things to be so big and expensive, a deer carcass will wreak havoc on them.
Now, about the farmers not letting hunters hunt....I know of several farmers who got tired of letting deer hunters hunt their land and day after day, the hunters would tell the farmer that "I let this one go" or "I saw a bunch of does but I was waiting on a buck". These farmers I'm around don't want a bunch of "trophy hunters" they want deer killers. I was with one of my friends one day when he told a bunch of guys they could'nt hunt no more, they asked why, and he replied, "what part of kill'em all don't you guys understand". The next year he got a permit and started killing the deer, and no longer lets anyone hunt, except for me and his son. Hope this sheds some light on the farmer/hunter relationship.
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#1420268 - 07/23/09 03:39 PM
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So rukiddin, when you were around farming and were killing deer with permits you went both ways...left em laying and gave some away?
The farms were different. One was a strictly rowcrop (corn and soybeans) and another farm was rowcrop and tobacco. there was about 400acres of soybeans but there was also about 60 acres of flue cured and burley. The farm had hispanic workers that were only around for the summer tobacco and they always begged us for deer. These were hard working truly good people with HUGE families. When everything with the paperwork got right, we killed two does one evening and took them to them. I've never seen anyone so happy. They had no idea how to clean one, so we even cleaned it for them. You ain't never seen hair fly till you clean a deer with their full summer coat on!! They offered us beer but we declined, but when we got back to the house, they had put two cases of beer in the bed of the truck that we did not know anything about:)
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#1420389 - 07/23/09 05:28 PM
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Sounds like the air is right for a civic/non-profit group to form that will assist farmers and donate meat to the hungry. At the SEDTCM last week, the Virginia wildlife agency was telling us about a private bow-hunting group that goes in and assists urban areas that have deer problems. It has the blessing of the VDGIF and looks like a win-win situation for all parties. I'll get the link to their organization if I can find it.
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#1422369 - 07/25/09 09:45 AM
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Here is the organization that formed to assist folks with suburban deer problems. They have branched out to operate in a few other states as well.
Suburban Whitetail Management
This was taken from their site:
Suburban Whitetail Management of Northern Virginia (SWMNV) is a 501 (c)3 non-profit deer culling/management organization designed to:
- provide a much-needed service to the community at no charge to the recipient.
- help local landowners, communities, and governments reduce whitetail deer overpopulation problems in a safe, natural and humane manner;
- act as a management "tool" for Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries' (VDGIF) deer reduction goals;
- educate the non-hunting public, as well as the general public, about bowhunting’s role in wildlife management;
- help communities in Northern Virginia by contributing a portion of total harvests to those in need and by raising the much needed funds to process those harvests.
- further the positive image of bowhunting and those who participate;
- and treat our wild resources with respect and compassion as we carry out our mission by using bowhunting as a sound management tool.
SWMNV was established in 1997 and has since built a successful track record, without incident, for hunting transparently in suburban communities. Other areas of success include, but are not limited to, vineyards, farms, training centers and airport properties. Our goal is to accomplish the client's needs while remaining as transparent as possible, thereby allowing them to live their lives unimpeded and without interruption.
Similar deer management groups around the nation have been up and running successfully for as long as ten years in states such as Pennsylvania, Minnesota, and New Hampshire. As development continues to increase and whitetail habitat continues to decrease, the need for organizations such as SWMNV are becoming more and more necessary.
Someone want to take the ball and develop an organization to assist farmers in Tennessee?
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#1422676 - 07/25/09 03:35 PM
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It would be nice to think there would be a processor willing to take a bunch of summer-killed deer for Hunters for the Hungry, or some other program. But there's not. Most processors only operate during deer season. In many instances, it is simply not an option.
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#1422679 - 07/25/09 03:39 PM
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Problem #1 - Farmers are interested in alleviating their crop damage, not feeding the hungry.
Problem #2 - There are not many processors open for processing deer during the summer. For the most part, deer processors are a seasonal thing.
I am pretty sure a private organization would gain the agency's support should they try and coordinate the use of the meat. Unfortunately, making it a requirement would minimize the effectiveness of the program and our officers are spread too thin to undertake more projects.
(Alan...you type faster than me.)
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#1423842 - 07/26/09 02:19 PM
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just wondering how twra regulates these crop damage deer kills.Seems odd to read about farmers killing 25 or more deer and leaving them laying.My question is who decides what is poaching and what is crop control?.I would be pretty upset to learn that my neighbor put down 30 deer over the summer because they were "eating his crops"I really am amazed that twra allows this to happen.If you plant crops you have to expect the wildlife to eat them.t seems like a lot of people could abuse this law.Does twra have to come and see the crop damage?
This is exactly what my neighbor is doing. He asked a twra officer about the deer getting into his garden and what he should do about it. The officer told him to shoot the deer. It just doesn't seem right.
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#2931886 - 09/04/12 02:41 PM
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I am getting ready to assist a farmer on a depredation issue. Is there somewhere I can get a link to the regs? I looked online on the TWRA website and didn't see any.
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#2931900 - 09/04/12 02:53 PM
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I am not aware of a link. I would contact the local officer who issued the permit for the permit parameters.
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#2933189 - 09/05/12 05:00 PM
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got my copy of the permit today. thanks!
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