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#2917131 - 08/23/12 12:14 AM Grass carp invasiveness?
catman529
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all right I got a question particularly for fish biologist or bass habitat type people. Or anyone who wants to chime in...

I read in the latest issue of bassmaster some statistics on volunteer work that has been done by members of the BASS Federation Nation. Looks like a lot of volunteers got a lot done to help the bass fisheries.

Now here's what I am wondering... note this is spread across the country and Canada, but they removed 2.5 tons of grass carp, and 4 tons of invasive plants. My guess is they removed the carp because they were eating the plants which provide cover for bass and mainly bass food (bream). But grass carp eat invasive plants like hydrilla if I am not mistaken. Grass carp can be beneficial if the population vs. amount of weeds are right... I can only guess they were removed in lakes where their numbers were too high? Maybe I just don't live in an area where they flourish enough to cause damage. They are definitely not native, but I never saw them as being invasive, even in the Cumberland River where non-sterile grass carp exist and reproduce. Just seems like BASS has shed a bad light on the grass carp. Why not target the more serious invasive carp such as silver or bighead carp? They threaten to crowd out all the native fish and pose hazards to boaters as well. I also wonder why carp and other fish are so hated by fishermen especially bass fishermen. But that's for another discussion... just wondering what y'alls thoughts are on grass carp invasiveness vs bass fishing. the stats on grass carp removal in the Bassmaster magazine just kind of hit me the wrong way. I would like to be informed if these giant minnows are more of a threat to fisheries in other areas than Middle Tn which I am most familiar with.
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#2917521 - 08/23/12 10:56 AM Re: Grass carp invasiveness? [Re: catman529]
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Im personally glad to hear they are getting rid of some Carp, as the #'s are getting out of control on many lakes and they need thinning seriously!
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#2917546 - 08/23/12 11:23 AM Re: Grass carp invasiveness? [Re: Winchester]
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which lakes?
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#2917639 - 08/23/12 12:56 PM Re: Grass carp invasiveness? [Re: catman529]
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Ft Loudon, Watts Bar, Melton Hill, Cherokee, Douglas, Norris, just to name a few!
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#2917913 - 08/23/12 04:24 PM Re: Grass carp invasiveness? [Re: Winchester]
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are those grass carp? I would like a new place to fish where I have a decent chance at a 50 + pounder
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#2918563 - 08/24/12 08:15 AM Re: Grass carp invasiveness? [Re: catman529]
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Cat, there are a few Grass carp mixed in with a assortment of Buffalo, Carp, etc.
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#2918569 - 08/24/12 08:19 AM Re: Grass carp invasiveness? [Re: Winchester]
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ah i see, sounds like it is over here too. Buffs aren't invasive
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#2919128 - 08/24/12 03:42 PM Re: Grass carp invasiveness? [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
Ft Loudon, Watts Bar, Melton Hill, Cherokee, Douglas, Norris, just to name a few!


In Fort Loudoun???? I've been bowfishing that lake for years and have never seen one. The others you mention, yes, I've seen'em come from, but never knew loudoun had'em.
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#2919296 - 08/24/12 06:20 PM Re: Grass carp invasiveness? [Re: rukiddin?]
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They're pretty rare around middle TN. I wish we had a bunch more.
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#2919580 - 08/24/12 10:59 PM Re: Grass carp invasiveness? [Re: gil1]
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 Originally Posted By: gil1
They're pretty rare around middle TN. I wish we had a bunch more.
the only places they aren't rare are stocked ponds in the suburbs, and creek mouths on the cumberland, from my experience. I wish we had not a few more but a few more real big ones. I have yet to see one that would positively go over 40 pounds and the biggest I have seen are in a neighborhood pond where the bluegills and turtles make it nearly impossible to catch them (I have yet to catch one)
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