#2916465 - 08/22/12 01:43 PM
Crossbows Legalizatio/Afterwards
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OldFart
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I would like to hear fm a TWRA official as to the results (Harvest, Success, participation, Herd populations etc) of legalizing crossbows in TN. I live in CO but hunt archery and gun deer and turkey seasons in West TN. I also own a farm in W TN.
There is currently a petition before the CPW (CO Parks and Wildlife, a recent change from the CO DOW which also includes Parks)to legalize crossbows.
Thanks Ray
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#2916525 - 08/22/12 02:20 PM
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When we legalized crossbows, they weren't a separate category. They simply became legal archery equipment. We didn't collect the type of data needed to answer your questions. Although, it really turned out to be a non-issue. I think they are quite popular but could only guess as to how widely they are used. Mike Tonkovich from Ohio DNR has published some info on their transition and really had no problems with legalizing and felt they increased opportunity and aided hunter retention and recruitment.
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#2916561 - 08/22/12 02:57 PM
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You could look at harvest rates during archery season before and after legalization of crossbows to get some idea of impact. It would not be 100% accurate due to some folks that hunted with bows that may have switched to crossbows for whatever reason, but it should be a good generalization. you'd also have to look at total season harvests and use the two numbers as a ration to make it meaningful I think.
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#2919595 - 08/24/12 11:09 PM
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I could see how it would have a ill effect in CO...out of state hunters flocking to put more pressure on the elk herd.
Its a 50/50 toss imo, but in all actuality it is good. Boil down to more money I guess but at least my grandad and some of my buddies can extend their season now.
I bet the western states have a whole different ball game on this issue...we just have whitetail here to worry about.
I am anxious to see how this goes.
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#2919751 - 08/25/12 09:22 AM
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North Carolina recently legalized crossbows and I think they have data on their website about how many deer were taken with crossbows.
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#2919930 - 08/25/12 01:44 PM
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Ive often wondered why twra doesnt keep a census on archery hunters that use: recurves, compounds, or crossbows. I know the need for that info may not exist at this time, but perhaps somewhere down the line it might be useful...or maybe not. In any case, i realize that adding that one question either on the front end of a license purchase or at the check-in process would probably cost someone a little more. And i wouldnt want that info to be used to discriminate between one classification or the other.
Still, as trends shift in archery hunting it might be good info to have on record if for no other reason than to determine the number of hunters that shift from one method to the other per season.
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#2920399 - 08/25/12 10:20 PM
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Old Fart, I don't know if you are pro or con on the issue. However, if CO allows only handicapped hunters to use Xbows they are in violation of Federal code... Code will not allow only handicapped persons to use a particular facilitative device. That in and of itself is discriminatory. Shoulda seen the look on the face of one TWRA official when I supplied them chapter & verse on this some years ago... I received a call from the legal dept that afternoon and hunted legal and non handicapped with my Xbow that fall. My contact with TWRA was purely coincidental to subsequent changes in state law...
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#2922267 - 08/27/12 03:19 PM
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I could see how it would have a ill effect in CO...out of state hunters flocking to put more pressure on the elk herd.
and this is exactly the problem with conversations about legalizing crossbows.... people who do not have a clue making statements that do not hold any water what so ever....
HAve you ever heard of the state of Wyoming... actually next door to CO.... and guess what... crossbows have been legal to hunt wiht there long before TN ever made then legal.
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#2922370 - 08/27/12 05:18 PM
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Ive often wondered why twra doesnt keep a census on archery hunters that use: recurves, compounds, or crossbows. I know the need for that info may not exist at this time, but perhaps somewhere down the line it might be useful...or maybe not. In any case, i realize that adding that one question either on the front end of a license purchase or at the check-in process would probably cost someone a little more. And i wouldnt want that info to be used to discriminate between one classification or the other.
Still, as trends shift in archery hunting it might be good info to have on record if for no other reason than to determine the number of hunters that shift from one method to the other per season.
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#2922372 - 08/27/12 05:20 PM
Re: Crossbows Legalizatio/Afterwards
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Ive often wondered why twra doesnt keep a census on archery hunters that use: recurves, compounds, or crossbows. I know the need for that info may not exist at this time, but perhaps somewhere down the line it might be useful...or maybe not. In any case, i realize that adding that one question either on the front end of a license purchase or at the check-in process would probably cost someone a little more. And i wouldnt want that info to be used to discriminate between one classification or the other.
Still, as trends shift in archery hunting it might be good info to have on record if for no other reason than to determine the number of hunters that shift from one method to the other per season.
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#2922412 - 08/27/12 05:46 PM
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When you check in an archery kill they ask if it was a crossbow or a conventional bow.
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#2922706 - 08/27/12 08:57 PM
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The weapon types have always been gun, muzzloader, vertical bow or crossbow. With that being said many check stations probably skip asking that question.
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#2923513 - 08/28/12 02:03 PM
Re: Crossbows Legalizatio/Afterwards
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Greets fm CO
In case any are wondering, I own a crossbow, Wicked Ridge Invader, and have hunted with it in W TN, no harvest with it for various reasons.
From a post on the "Colorado Forum" of "Bowsite", the CBA (CO Bowhunters Asociation), of which I am a member, is heavily and actively opposing the introduction of crossbows into the archery season. The main reason, altho very thinly veiled, is that it would introduce more hunters into "their" archery seasons.
On the other hand, I believe it would cause more elk areas, and maybe more pronghorn, to go to draw only for archery seasons, and the competition for tags would get quite a bit tougher. ALL deer tags are draw ONLY in CO, and have been for over 10 - 12 years. There would be more competition for tags with deer also.
If you ever wish to hunt with a crossbow in CO, you can go to the site of the Crossbow Federation and get Email and snail mail addr to send your input to CO CPW.(CO Parks and Wildlife, the recent combination of the DOW and Parks groups.
Ray
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#2923541 - 08/28/12 02:24 PM
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OldFart
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Correction. Try the "Crossbow Nation" site for addrs. Ray
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#2923778 - 08/28/12 05:32 PM
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Really? some are worried about crossbows killing out deer populations. Come on, we hunt with muzzleloaders and rifles. Dont think a crossbow is a advantage!
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#2924511 - 08/29/12 08:52 AM
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Doskil
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Really? some are worried about crossbows killing out deer populations. Come on, we hunt with muzzleloaders and rifles. Dont think a crossbow is a advantage!
Ever notice how archery seasons are usually longer than gun seasons and usually allow the take of female deer?
It could be there are areas of CO were extra pressure is not warranted regardless of the weapon type used. I dunno.
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#2924521 - 08/29/12 09:03 AM
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Not sure about co, but here in unit l; we can kill up to 3 does a day everyday durine firearm season. And our archery season is not as long as our firearm seasons. I dont beleive it is having a impact at all on our deer heard in this state. If it did, then they would start limiting the amount of deer that are killed to a lesser number. Our archery kill number dont even come close to our firearms numbers.
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#2929881 - 09/02/12 07:02 PM
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Ive often wondered why twra doesnt keep a census on archery hunters that use: recurves, compounds, or crossbows. I know the need for that info may not exist at this time, but perhaps somewhere down the line it might be useful...or maybe not. In any case, i realize that adding that one question either on the front end of a license purchase or at the check-in process would probably cost someone a little more. And i wouldnt want that info to be used to discriminate between one classification or the other.
Still, as trends shift in archery hunting it might be good info to have on record if for no other reason than to determine the number of hunters that shift from one method to the other per season. When you check in an archery kill they ask if it was a crossbow or a conventional bow. I don't know what they do with this info but they do collect it.
I don't think they do this on the online check-in, best as I remember.
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#2930021 - 09/02/12 08:50 PM
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All check-in, Internet or check station is supposed to ask weapon type.
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#2936871 - 09/08/12 11:08 PM
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The CO Wildlife Commission rejected the petition to legalize crossbows by a very wide margin.The CBA (CO Bowhunters Association) is ecstatic (sp). I'm not sure that the CBA represents all of the CO bowhunters, however as their membership only includes a small percentage of archery hunters. The CBA does have some very persuasive spokesmen, ie, one CBA rep at the meeting where the crossbow petition was presented only has one arm and he was still promoting NOT. My prediction for CO is that crossbow inclusion will eventually happen in CO, but it will be a long time off.
As for me, I'll hunt with my compound in CO and my crossbow in TN this year.
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#2937102 - 09/09/12 09:38 AM
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All check-in, Internet or check station is supposed to ask weapon type.
If its all archery and there's no separate category or info kept whats the reason behind asking crossbow or conventional?
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#2943988 - 09/15/12 05:08 AM
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I could see how it would have a ill effect in CO...out of state hunters flocking to put more pressure on the elk herd.
and this is exactly the problem with conversations about legalizing crossbows.... people who do not have a clue making statements that do not hold any water what so ever.... HAve you ever heard of the state of Wyoming... actually next door to CO.... and guess what... crossbows have been legal to hunt wiht there long before TN ever made then legal.
So tell me where I can buy a OTC tag to hunt Elk in WY? Either sex at that!
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