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#2891029 - 07/30/12 10:18 PM Re: Riverbank Relics [Re: Crow Terminator]
Tennrock
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Thanks for the information! Very confusing and contradicting???
"There are no penalties" and "you can be charged"
On another note: ARPA defines artifacts as any item over 100 years old, so that would be Civil War items and really anything made before 1913.

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#2891078 - 07/31/12 12:04 AM Re: Riverbank Relics [Re: Crow Terminator]
catman529
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Is a navigable stream bed considered federal property? Also I guess the arrow head I picked up in a creek bed in a WMA was not legal? Who would have known.... sometimes you are fishing, or scouting or hunting, see an arrowhead, and pick it up. I'm not making money off it, don't often look for arrowheads, and have a very small collection. Hope I wouldn't get in trouble for anything.
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#2891162 - 07/31/12 06:49 AM Re: Riverbank Relics [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
Is a navigable stream bed considered federal property? Also I guess the arrow head I picked up in a creek bed in a WMA was not legal? Who would have known.... sometimes you are fishing, or scouting or hunting, see an arrowhead, and pick it up. I'm not making money off it, don't often look for arrowheads, and have a very small collection. Hope I wouldn't get in trouble for anything.


I think as long as you or someone who gave you permission to look there has to own the land it is on.

One of my hunting buddies and his son got a total of $10000 in fines and they had no idea it was illegal.
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#2891923 - 07/31/12 05:35 PM Re: Riverbank Relics [Re: Master Chief]
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I often go on the local river here and hunt gravel bars but am aware that if caught I could be fined but usually dont find much and if I do find something Im done and go home :). Just the other day I was questioned on the Cumberland river (walking the bank at a public access) and the guy new exactly what I was doing and he escorted me to my truck. He was a private agent/security guard and I had walked onto "their" section of the river, wading in the water, but I did what I was told. Not sure if it was "private property" or not since I was in the water but Im not one to be involved in conflict. I feel like this may have been his little hotspot. But regardless Im certain that you will be searched and questioned on any lake, any where, even a small pebble is considered there property if its within there lake level boundaries.
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#2893237 - 08/01/12 07:44 PM Re: Riverbank Relics [Re: geezer]
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I worked at TVA in Muscle Shoals AL for a few years. Gave the TVA Police comm support. They very specifically told me I could pick up anything exposed but DO NOT DIG.
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#2893465 - 08/01/12 11:35 PM Re: Riverbank Relics [Re: geezer]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: geezer
I often go on the local river here and hunt gravel bars but am aware that if caught I could be fined but usually dont find much and if I do find something Im done and go home :). Just the other day I was questioned on the Cumberland river (walking the bank at a public access) and the guy new exactly what I was doing and he escorted me to my truck. He was a private agent/security guard and I had walked onto "their" section of the river, wading in the water, but I did what I was told. Not sure if it was "private property" or not since I was in the water but Im not one to be involved in conflict. I feel like this may have been his little hotspot. But regardless Im certain that you will be searched and questioned on any lake, any where, even a small pebble is considered there property if its within there lake level boundaries.
man that ain't right. I don't go out just to look for arrowheads, but I am always looking at the ground walking from one fishing spot to the next if I'm not sight fishing. I was walking a bank on the cumberland and it was a nice gravel bar and I just was casually looking as I headed back to the boat. Would be crazy if I actually got in trouble for something like that.
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#2894620 - 08/02/12 11:38 PM Re: Riverbank Relics [Re: catman529]
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I'm hearing that more people are harassed by TWRA for walking the rivers and lakes for such things. I have changed my mind am and tired of folks trying to take away my rights. I will be on the Hiwassee this fall with several copies of ARPA printed off and highlighted on the portion of surface hunting and if I am confronted I will show the copies. If I am threatened or given a citation then I will see them in court where they will explain how I was in violation of the ARPA law even though I was not digging or diving but picking up points/pottery exposed by erosion...in which says in ARPA that it is legal to do so.
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#2894711 - 08/03/12 06:43 AM Re: Riverbank Relics [Re: Crow Terminator]
Tennrock
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 Originally Posted By: Crow Terminator
I'm hearing that more people are harassed by TWRA for walking the rivers and lakes for such things. I have changed my mind am and tired of folks trying to take away my rights. I will be on the Hiwassee this fall with several copies of ARPA printed off and highlighted on the portion of surface hunting and if I am confronted I will show the copies. If I am threatened or given a citation then I will see them in court where they will explain how I was in violation of the ARPA law even though I was not digging or diving but picking up points/pottery exposed by erosion...in which says in ARPA that it is legal to do so.


Go to a flea market and buy a modern/fake arrowhead, get a receipt if you can. Take a dremil and etch your initials on it somewhere. Keep it in your pocket when you hunt. If you get a citation for that, then you own them.

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#2899279 - 08/07/12 04:35 PM Re: Riverbank Relics [Re: Crow Terminator]
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a) No person may excavate, remove,

To me remove means pick up.

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#2899294 - 08/07/12 05:01 PM Re: Riverbank Relics [Re: Slaughter-06]
Tennrock
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 Originally Posted By: Slaughter-06
a) No person may excavate, remove,

To me remove means pick up.


You are correct BUT sub-section "g" (a clarification to "a") allows the removal a arrowhead from the surface.

16 U.S.C. 470ee(g),Removal of arrowheads located on ground surface
(g) Nothing in subsection (d) of this section shall be deemed
applicable to any person with respect to the removal of
arrowheads located on the surface of the ground.


Edited by Tennrock (08/07/12 06:02 PM)

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