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#284617 - 07/01/07 01:31 PM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: David J]
David J
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BGG,

NO! It makes no sense! \:\)
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#284622 - 07/01/07 01:34 PM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: David J]
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You just repeated what I said... ;\)
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#284689 - 07/01/07 02:54 PM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: BigGameGuy]
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I put it in language BSK can unterstand. -Great Minds-

I didn't even read yours until I posted mine.
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#284709 - 07/01/07 03:38 PM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: David J]
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My feeling is that if one doesn't get ALL the neighbors within a 1 mile radius to buy into the same QDM plan then all a person on small acreage is doing is attracting deer to his property when he manages the habitat. By managing the habitat to attract bucks it can not be just "food plots". If you don't give that mature buck a core sanctuary you wont keep him on your place.

By and large the 1 1/2 year olds that we are passing up this year will end up:

1) In the back of someone else's truck this year

2) Will end up as a 2 1/2 year old on another peice of property a mile or better away next year.

The better the habitat for that buck, the better chance he has of being and staying there.

Now I haven't killed a 1 1/2 year old buck in 20 years, but I do kill a buck every year. I found out that 20 years ago when I killed a 1 1/2 year old buck on the opening day of bow season (limit was one buck with a bow)that I was missing out on a lot of hunting by shooting the first buck that came along.

Since then I have become more selective and hunt longer and longer. Hunting longer in a season increases a person's chance of crossing paths with a wall hanger.

I've heard many a hunter say after they take a small buck that they very seldom see any big bucks. The law of averages says that if they kill the first buck they see it will more than likely be a 1 1/2 old. If one wants a bigger buck, then have to stop shooting the little bucks and stay in the woods and hunt.

I've found the longer and harder I hunt the luckier I get. ;\)
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#284794 - 07/01/07 05:17 PM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: TOW]
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I agree with habitat managment being one of the most important factors of keeping mature bucks in the area . They need security cover to escape the hunting pressure .
I have seen pressured deer hide in some unusual places to escape hunting pressure .
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#284915 - 07/01/07 07:24 PM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: Radar]
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Question - When do bucks disperse?
If they disperse before they are 1 1/2, then I'm assuming (outside of the rut), their range after that will generally stay the same until they die. So if I see a 1 1/2 yr. old buck and it has dispersed to my property and set up shop there, my property should stay as part of its range forever. So if I don't shoot it and it isn't killed on the surrounding properties that are also a part of its range, who's to say I won't have the possibility of seeing it and killing it when it is 3 1/2, 4 1/2, etc.? I know these are big "ifs." I'm just not understanding the premise that if you pass up a 1 1/2 yr. old, it will go somewhere else, and you'll never see it again.
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#284935 - 07/01/07 07:39 PM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: gil1]
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gil1---As I posted on the previous page, it is my understanding that if a dispersing buck "chooses" your area as his stomping grounds during the fall/winter seasons and all things remain the same thereafter, he's likely to return yearly to the same areas he's familiar with and where he has learned to seek safety during the hunting seasons. If I'm wrong about this someone please correct me.
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#285136 - 07/01/07 09:26 PM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: ]
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Yearling bucks are dispersed by the mother does, that is one reason I along with QDM proponents recommend such heavy doe harvests.
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#285451 - 07/02/07 07:28 AM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: gil1]
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 Originally Posted By: gil1
Question - When do bucks disperse?


Yearling bucks disperse from their birth range at one of two times: 1) In late spring, as their mother gets ready to have her new fawns; or 2) in fall, just before the rut. I generally pick up this fall dispersal on my trail cams the last two weeks of October and the first week of November.

For some reason, Yearling Buck Dispersal (YBD) studies in the North find much more dispersal in spring, while YBD studies in the South find more dispersal in the fall.
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#285455 - 07/02/07 07:31 AM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: BSK]
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Foggy54, wrote:
I'll call my limited QDM efforts a sucess for me as I can see deer daily where as before I did not.

And for very small land management, that may be the best criterion of success.
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