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#2838471 - 05/27/12 08:42 AM Poll on deer hunting activity
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Just for clarification the questions are:

How many days does each hunter spend in the field scouting.

How many days they spend hunting.

Whether or not they target a specific age group of deer.

Do they hunt public or private (leases, family farms, friends, etc.) or both.

What they think the Buck limit should be 1, 2, 3, or 3+
How many days spent scouting
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0-5
6-10
11-15
16-20
21+


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How many days spent hunting
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1-10
11-20
21-40
41-50
50+


Votes accepted starting: 05/27/12 08:38 AM
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Do you target specific age deer?
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yes
no


Votes accepted starting: 05/27/12 08:39 AM
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Public land or private?
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Public only
Private only
Both


Votes accepted starting: 05/27/12 08:40 AM
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What do you prefer as a buck limit?
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1
2
3
3+


Votes accepted starting: 05/27/12 08:41 AM
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#2838476 - 05/27/12 08:45 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: RUGER]
Andy S.
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#2838481 - 05/27/12 08:48 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: ]
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#2838488 - 05/27/12 08:56 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Beekeeper]
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#2838493 - 05/27/12 08:59 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: fourwheeler431]
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I'm in
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#2838514 - 05/27/12 09:19 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Hollar Hunter]
monsterbuck07
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Done. I am interested in seeing question 5 results.
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#2838546 - 05/27/12 10:19 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: monsterbuck07]
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#2838548 - 05/27/12 10:23 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: JCDEERMAN]
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#2838570 - 05/27/12 10:51 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: redblood]
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Done! Now if we can get all the folks that answered on the other thread....
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#2838591 - 05/27/12 11:36 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Bone Collector]
horn master
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done and still for a 3 buck limit and I kill them on public land.
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#2838606 - 05/27/12 12:26 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: horn master]
Jarred525
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Done, interested to see results.
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#2838613 - 05/27/12 12:40 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Jarred525]
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Done. Very interesting.
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#2838618 - 05/27/12 12:46 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: muddyboots]
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#2838632 - 05/27/12 01:10 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Roost 1]
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#2838646 - 05/27/12 01:56 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Bone Collector]
timberjack86
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#2838655 - 05/27/12 02:09 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Bone Collector]
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#2838658 - 05/27/12 02:15 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: WGK]
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#2838665 - 05/27/12 02:28 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: pastorbmp]
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#2838682 - 05/27/12 03:27 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Kimberman]
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Looks like the average TN Deer member scouts almost as much as the average TN hunter actually hunts.
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#2838741 - 05/27/12 05:29 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Bone Collector]
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complete looks like I am average in my deer hunting.
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#2838810 - 05/27/12 07:47 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: turkeyhunter64]
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How many people vote? And can you vote multiple times?
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#2838857 - 05/27/12 08:24 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Bone Collector]
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#2838862 - 05/27/12 08:29 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 102]
muddyboots
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 Originally Posted By: 102
How many people vote? And can you vote multiple times?

It shows the number of votes beside the red on mine and i can only vote once.
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#2838880 - 05/27/12 09:05 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: muddyboots]
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#2838937 - 05/27/12 10:27 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Bone Collector]
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#2839093 - 05/28/12 09:14 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: ultra mag]
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#2839100 - 05/28/12 09:21 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: tn droptine]
bswarchery
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#2839116 - 05/28/12 09:39 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: bswarchery]
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#2839117 - 05/28/12 09:40 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Bow Hunter]
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#2839134 - 05/28/12 10:04 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Football Hunter]
rem270
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#2839136 - 05/28/12 10:06 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: gatodoc]
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#2839166 - 05/28/12 10:48 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Bone Collector]
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I'm in...I am wondering what people classify a scouting day...I put 11-15, mostly in the winter, and didn't count days I'm at my property working and hanging stands I know where they are going.
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#2839182 - 05/28/12 11:15 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BowGuy84]
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#2839220 - 05/28/12 01:07 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BigSatt]
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Wonder how many folks logged in under their other alias's here on tndeer so they can vote more than 1 time..?? LOL
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#2839245 - 05/28/12 01:48 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: cecil30-30]
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I've already said it but i'll say it again. Vermin93 made a post and when your screen name was associated with your answer on buck limit, it was about 50/50 between 2 or 3 buck limit.

A lot on here claim they don't mind or like the 3 buck limit but all the sudden when it is anonymous the # that liked a 2 buck limit shot up. I know some people that answered the other thread may have not done the poll, but it is still funny. Also the # of folks that said 3+ went from 2 to 10-12, which is even funnier.
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#2839482 - 05/28/12 07:26 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BowGuy84]
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 Originally Posted By: BowGuy84
I'm in...I am wondering what people classify a scouting day...I put 11-15, mostly in the winter, and didn't count days I'm at my property working and hanging stands I know where they are going.


I count days dealing with cameras, traditional scouting, I slso spend a time after most hunts scouting, anytime I am putting up ladder stands or tweaking stand locations I spend time scouting.
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#2839501 - 05/28/12 07:40 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: pastorbmp]
Beekeeper
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 Originally Posted By: pastorbmp
 Originally Posted By: BowGuy84
I'm in...I am wondering what people classify a scouting day...I put 11-15, mostly in the winter, and didn't count days I'm at my property working and hanging stands I know where they are going.


I count days dealing with cameras, traditional scouting, I slso spend a time after most hunts scouting, anytime I am putting up ladder stands or tweaking stand locations I spend time scouting.
I only count days that I spend on the lease. If I counted the days I spend on the farm I would have more scouting days than hunting days. I hunt over 50 days a year.
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#2839538 - 05/28/12 08:42 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Beekeeper]
W.Seay
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I'm all for 2 buck limit!
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#2839619 - 05/28/12 10:41 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Bone Collector]
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Done.... interesting poll
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#2839943 - 05/29/12 12:30 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Bone Collector]
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#2839978 - 05/29/12 01:12 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: LSUtigers]
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Finis. So, what's the talley?
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#2839996 - 05/29/12 02:03 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: MUP]
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Good poll.
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#2840042 - 05/29/12 02:49 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: preds1]
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 Originally Posted By: preds1
Good poll.


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#2840047 - 05/29/12 02:54 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: gatodoc]
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The results show what I expected to see:

1) TNdeer readers/posters are more serious deer hunters than the general hunting public (the highest response is 21-40 days hunting, while the random surveys usually show the average deer hunter in TN hunts 12-14 days).

2) More serious deer hunters want a 2 or 3 buck limit, with 2 being preferable over 3.
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#2840049 - 05/29/12 02:56 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: gatodoc]
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With 61% of TNdeer responders saying they target specific age deer, I wonder what the number would be for a purely random survey of all deer hunters in TN? I have no idea what the answer would be, but I bet it wouldn't be anywhere near 61%.
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#2840089 - 05/29/12 03:52 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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I'll bet it would be in the 30's or even below.
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#2840093 - 05/29/12 04:00 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
I'll bet it would be in the 30's or even below.
Yep.
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#2840096 - 05/29/12 04:02 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Beekeeper]
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Added my 2 cents to the poll
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#2840124 - 05/29/12 04:59 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Beekeeper]
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 Originally Posted By: Beekeeper
 Originally Posted By: bowriter
I'll bet it would be in the 30's or even below.
Yep.


My guess as well.
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#2840524 - 05/30/12 06:46 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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#2841118 - 05/30/12 07:50 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: reloadxx]
Beekeeper
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#2841648 - 05/31/12 12:59 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Bone Collector]
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#2841738 - 05/31/12 02:56 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: RUGER]
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#2842671 - 06/01/12 08:52 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: RUGER]
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im in! \:\)
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#2842714 - 06/01/12 09:28 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Boone 58]
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The people have spoken give us what we want.
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#2842735 - 06/01/12 10:03 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: SEC]
Carlos Viagra
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I was with the majority for each section...
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#2842736 - 06/01/12 10:04 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: SEC]
Beekeeper
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 Originally Posted By: SEC
The people have spoken give us what we want.

Yep. Less than 200 out of over 200,000. Is that a landslide or what?
http://library.fws.gov/pubs/deerhunting_natsurvey06.pdf


Edited by Beekeeper (06/01/12 10:06 PM)
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#2842739 - 06/01/12 10:24 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Beekeeper]
dh1984
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#2843045 - 06/02/12 05:29 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: RUGER]
Dannyt
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#2843082 - 06/02/12 06:15 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: SEC]
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 Originally Posted By: SEC
The people have spoken give us what we want.


Yes, the majority of the board has spoken...

1) 6-10 days scouting....hmmmm not much time scouting for a specific deer

2) 21-40 days hunting.... Must be very good at scouting, killed their limit

3) yes... Wow! See 1 & 2

4) doesn't matter

5) after reading 1 & 2 no wonder the
Majority wants to kill 2 bucks, they are so good at scouting they can kill 3 bucks in 21-40 days in the specific age group they are looking for.

Sure as hell wish I was that good at hunting and had that kind of hunting ground, cause where I hunt, I'm luck to see 20 deer a year.
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#2843268 - 06/03/12 12:06 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Dannyt]
OCLhunter90
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It is cool to see the numbers and the bar graphs. I wish I could hunt over fifty days per year again. College has got me in the 20 day bracket.
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#2843334 - 06/03/12 07:58 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: OCLhunter90]
Bowdacious
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I had a hard time figuring up just how many days I do hunt. It varies with what time I get off work.
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#2843409 - 06/03/12 09:29 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: A.Hall]
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Mud Dauber
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 Originally Posted By: A.Hall
 Originally Posted By: SEC
The people have spoken give us what we want.


Yes, the majority of the board has spoken...

1) 6-10 days scouting....hmmmm not much time scouting for a specific deer

2) 21-40 days hunting.... Must be very good at scouting, killed their limit

3) yes... Wow! See 1 & 2

4) doesn't matter

5) after reading 1 & 2 no wonder the
Majority wants to kill 2 bucks, they are so good at scouting they can kill 3 bucks in 21-40 days in the specific age group they are looking for.

Sure as hell wish I was that good at hunting and had that kind of hunting ground, cause where I hunt, I'm luck to see 20 deer a year.

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#2843486 - 06/03/12 12:19 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Dannyt]
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#2843496 - 06/03/12 12:31 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: A.Hall]
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 Originally Posted By: A.Hall
 Originally Posted By: SEC
The people have spoken give us what we want.


Yes, the majority of the board has spoken...

1) 6-10 days scouting....hmmmm not much time scouting for a specific deer

2) 21-40 days hunting.... Must be very good at scouting, killed their limit

3) yes... Wow! See 1 & 2

4) doesn't matter

5) after reading 1 & 2 no wonder the
Majority wants to kill 2 bucks, they are so good at scouting they can kill 3 bucks in 21-40 days in the specific age group they are looking for.

Sure as hell wish I was that good at hunting and had that kind of hunting ground, cause where I hunt, I'm luck to see 20 deer a year.
You need to find a better place to hunt.

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#2843922 - 06/04/12 06:09 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: OCLhunter90]
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It is cool to see the numbers and the bar graphs. I wish I could hunt over fifty days per year again. College has got me in the 20 day bracket.


Heck, work has me a little lower than that even!
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#2844031 - 06/04/12 09:28 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: MUP]
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Scouting is WAY overrated in my opinion. Since I quit scouting, I kill a ton more deer and better bucks. My scouting, if done, is done while hunting, and very little of that. I will look for oak trees that are "hot", but not much more than that. If on public land I just go to the most remote spot and when run into the first decent sign I hunt.

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#2844036 - 06/04/12 09:40 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: SEC]
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 Originally Posted By: SEC
 Originally Posted By: A.Hall
 Originally Posted By: SEC
The people have spoken give us what we want.


Yes, the majority of the board has spoken...

1) 6-10 days scouting....hmmmm not much time scouting for a specific deer

2) 21-40 days hunting.... Must be very good at scouting, killed their limit

3) yes... Wow! See 1 & 2

4) doesn't matter

5) after reading 1 & 2 no wonder the
Majority wants to kill 2 bucks, they are so good at scouting they can kill 3 bucks in 21-40 days in the specific age group they are looking for.

Sure as hell wish I was that good at hunting and had that kind of hunting ground, cause where I hunt, I'm luck to see 20 deer a year.
You need to find a better place to hunt.


Very easy to say something like that....

I've been trying to find this place for quite some time, and still haven't been able to do it. I only wish I was fortunate enough or financially able to find a "better place to hunt" myself. Some of us beggers can't be choosers..

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#2844348 - 06/04/12 05:13 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Bone Collector]
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#2844406 - 06/04/12 06:49 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: SEC]
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 Originally Posted By: SEC
 Originally Posted By: A.Hall
 Originally Posted By: SEC
The people have spoken give us what we want.


Yes, the majority of the board has spoken...

1) 6-10 days scouting....hmmmm not much time scouting for a specific deer

2) 21-40 days hunting.... Must be very good at scouting, killed their limit

3) yes... Wow! See 1 & 2

4) doesn't matter

5) after reading 1 & 2 no wonder the
Majority wants to kill 2 bucks, they are so good at scouting they can kill 3 bucks in 21-40 days in the specific age group they are looking for.

Sure as hell wish I was that good at hunting and had that kind of hunting ground, cause where I hunt, I'm luck to see 20 deer a year.
You need to find a better place to hunt.


I do, it's called IL. TN will NEVER be an IL, IA or like any other buck state
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#2845247 - 06/05/12 08:51 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: A.Hall]
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 Originally Posted By: A.Hall
 Originally Posted By: SEC
 Originally Posted By: A.Hall
 Originally Posted By: SEC
The people have spoken give us what we want.


Yes, the majority of the board has spoken...

1) 6-10 days scouting....hmmmm not much time scouting for a specific deer

2) 21-40 days hunting.... Must be very good at scouting, killed their limit

3) yes... Wow! See 1 & 2

4) doesn't matter

5) after reading 1 & 2 no wonder the
Majority wants to kill 2 bucks, they are so good at scouting they can kill 3 bucks in 21-40 days in the specific age group they are looking for.

Sure as hell wish I was that good at hunting and had that kind of hunting ground, cause where I hunt, I'm luck to see 20 deer a year.
You need to find a better place to hunt.


I do, it's called IL. TN will NEVER be an IL, IA or like any other buck state

I agree but we could do better. States like IL.and IA. and all the other big buck states have one thing in common shorter firearms seasons and lower buck limits. It sure would be nice to see a couple 130s every year around here but with every tom,dick,and harry blasting away at them for 60 plus days with highpower rifles its never gonna happen.You cant kill what aint there.

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#2845250 - 06/05/12 08:53 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: SEC]
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 Originally Posted By: SEC
 Originally Posted By: A.Hall
 Originally Posted By: SEC
The people have spoken give us what we want.


Yes, the majority of the board has spoken...

1) 6-10 days scouting....hmmmm not much time scouting for a specific deer

2) 21-40 days hunting.... Must be very good at scouting, killed their limit

3) yes... Wow! See 1 & 2

4) doesn't matter

5) after reading 1 & 2 no wonder the
Majority wants to kill 2 bucks, they are so good at scouting they can kill 3 bucks in 21-40 days in the specific age group they are looking for.

Sure as hell wish I was that good at hunting and had that kind of hunting ground, cause where I hunt, I'm luck to see 20 deer a year.
You need to find a better place to hunt.


I will have to times 2 that. That would be tough Spoon.
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#2845366 - 06/06/12 12:23 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: SEC]
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 Originally Posted By: SEC

I agree but we could do better. States like IL.and IA. and all the other big buck states have one thing in common shorter firearms seasons and lower buck limits. It sure would be nice to see a couple 130s every year around here but with every tom,dick,and harry blasting away at them for 60 plus days with highpower rifles its never gonna happen.You cant kill what aint there.


and wide open terrain and millions of acres of agriculture and... they have much more than one thing in common.

they ARE there
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#2845401 - 06/06/12 05:13 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: stik]
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SEC wrote:

"I agree but we could do better. States like IL.and IA. and all the other big buck states have one thing in common shorter firearms seasons and lower buck limits. It sure would be nice to see a couple 130s every year around here but with every tom,dick,and harry blasting away at them for 60 plus days with highpower rifles its never gonna happen.You cant kill what aint there."

"It sure would be nice to see a couple 130s every year "

And here is the root of the problem. EXPECTATIONS.

Seeing a couple of 130s "every year" is NEVER going to happen for MOST of us. NEVER.

A 130 inch buck in Tennessee is like hitting the lottery. Although TV would lead you to believe otherwise, free ranging 130s are RARE. In the mid-west, maybe this is a little different, but still not that common.

Most Tennessee hunters would pee themselves if they had a TRULY 130 inch buck walk up to their stand. As would I. A 130 inch buck is a LARGE antlered buck.

Percentage wise, VERY FEW hunters in Tennessee will ever even SEE one. Even in other states.

There are those who say they have seen several, and maybe even passed several, but until it hits the ground with a tape to the horn, it is just TALK.

Trying to manage the Tennessee herd for 130s is INSANE!!!
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#2845513 - 06/06/12 08:39 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: SEC]
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 Originally Posted By: SEC
I agree but we could do better. States like IL.and IA. and all the other big buck states have one thing in common shorter firearms seasons and lower buck limits.


...and massive agriculture on the best soils in North America. It is the soils and agriculture that grow those big antlers, not their gun seasons.

I guess some TN hunters will never face the facts, but many locations in TN have an equal buck age structure to IL and IA. In quite a few counties in TN, 1 out of every 4 bucks killed is 3 1/2+, which is equal or better to many of the big buck states. So why aren't we loading up the newspapers and recordsbooks with monster bucks? Because our soil and habitat doesn't grow antlers like the Midwest does.


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It sure would be nice to see a couple 130s every year around here but with every tom,dick,and harry blasting away at them for 60 plus days with highpower rifles its never gonna happen.You cant kill what aint there.


True, "you can't kill what aint there." But in many instances, it isn't old bucks that "aint there," it is large-antlered bucks. TN, even for bucks that reach full maturity, just doesn't grow many 130+ bucks.

I think most TNdeer users have seen the plethora of trail-cam pictures of good bucks I photograph each year from my property. I think most hunters would agree my place is well managed. I have an equal buck age structure to what other managers report from their properties in IL and IA. We kill a fair number of 3 1/2+ bucks, with about half of those bucks being mature. Yet over the last decade, do you know how many 130+ bucks we've killed? A grand total of one. Now we grow and kill a bunch of bucks in the 95-125 gross range, but 130+ is a rare animal indeed, even when 1 out of every 4 bucks using my place each year is 3 1/2+.

102 said it best when he wrote: "And here is the root of the problem. EXPECTATIONS." I couldn't agree more. If TN hunters want a good chance of killing a large-antlered buck, they need to go north into the Midwest. But if TN hunters want to kill an old buck, they can stay right here at home. However, here at home hunters will need to keep antler expectations low. TN can grow a snot-load of 100-120 class bucks, but 130+ is rare.
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#2845546 - 06/06/12 09:12 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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Brian,

I really wish you would take that post and pushpin it to the top of the serious deer forum. You have hit on the true bottomline of the deer limit controversies.

Unfortunately, there are several that will refuse to believe what you just wrote.
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#2845564 - 06/06/12 09:50 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: scn]
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As an example of "realistic expectations," the below pictured bucks are what hunters should expect to take as "good" bucks from well-managed hardwood habitat that is so common to TN. Now expectations can be higher (probably 10-15 inches higher) in the few heavy agricultural regions of TN. But the below bucks are good examples of what can be expected for much of TN, with all of the pictured bucks being between 115 and 125 gross.

Now that doesn't mean these areas won't produce the occassional whopper. They will. And if hunters can regulary take bucks like those pictured below, they will probably take a whopper on rare occassion. But they will also see quite a few older to mature bucks of far lesser caliber than those pictured. We kill more 3 1/2 and mature bucks in the 95-110 gross range than we do bucks like those pictured below.












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#2845575 - 06/06/12 09:59 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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BSK,

Your last two posts made well articulated and evidence-supported claims. I am curious to see how the naysayers retort.
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#2845665 - 06/06/12 12:30 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 102]
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Percentage wise, VERY FEW hunters in Tennessee will ever even SEE one. Even in other states.

There are those who say they have seen several, and maybe even passed several, but until it hits the ground with a tape to the horn, it is just TALK.



i have 2. one grossed 130 5/8. the other hasn't been measured but is bigger than the 1st one.one public(although severely access limited) and one from private land.
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#2845701 - 06/06/12 01:09 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: stik]
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I have one that scored 138- 3/8. I've hunted, off and on, since the mid 70's. I've killed several in the 100" range, but this is my rarity, and I'm dang proud of it. ;\)
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#2845709 - 06/06/12 01:26 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 102]
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And here is the root of the problem. EXPECTATIONS.

Seeing a couple of 130s "every year" is NEVER going to happen for MOST of us. NEVER.

A 130 inch buck in Tennessee is like hitting the lottery. Although TV would lead you to believe otherwise, free ranging 130s are RARE. In the mid-west, maybe this is a little different, but still not that common.

Most Tennessee hunters would pee themselves if they had a TRULY 130 inch buck walk up to their stand. As would I. A 130 inch buck is a LARGE antlered buck.

Percentage wise, VERY FEW hunters in Tennessee will ever even SEE one. Even in other states.

There are those who say they have seen several, and maybe even passed several, but until it hits the ground with a tape to the horn, it is just TALK.

Trying to manage the Tennessee herd for 130s is INSANE!!!


I have to disagree. If trigger control is used, the majority of middle and west TN can grow a good number of mature 130" bucks. And the more mature bucks you have in an area the better your chance is of killing one.

10 years ago I would have probably agreed with you. My place was surrounded by 3500 acres owned by Willamette, that was public hunting, and a mature buck was hard to come by. Fast forward 10 years and all the Willamette land is now private owned. And several mature bucks are killed in the area each year. And most of the mature bucks will score 130".


Edited by 8 POINTS OR BETTER (06/06/12 03:09 PM)
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#2845722 - 06/06/12 01:42 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
Andy S.
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 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
And most of the mature bucks will score 130".
Most of the mature bucks in the herd will score 130", or most of the mature bucks you see in the back of pickups (targeted by hunters) score 130"? BIG difference.
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#2845874 - 06/06/12 05:19 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
 Originally Posted By: 102

Trying to manage the Tennessee herd for 130s is INSANE!!!


I have to disagree. If trigger control is used, the majority of middle and west TN can grow a good number of mature 130" bucks.


How many is a "good number?" Depending on your answer, I may have to strongly disagree with that statement. Now don't get me wrong, 130+ bucks will pop up just about anywhere in TN. A few can be grown anywhere. But the mature and older age bucks that score less than 130 will outnumber the ones that score 130+ by a very wide margin. When you start looking at the percentage of bucks in the older age classes that grow 130+ antlers, it is pretty small. Again, I'm not sayling 130+ bucks can't be produced in TN. They can, anywhere. But they make up just a tiny percentage of the antlered buck population, even in well-managed areas. If you want to hunt for just that tiny percentage of bucks, go for it. But don't ask the state (or other hunters) to set or hunt by rules intended to produce a lot more of those bucks, because it won't work. You will never produce a lot of those bucks in TN.
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#2845960 - 06/06/12 08:15 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
 Originally Posted By: 102

Trying to manage the Tennessee herd for 130s is INSANE!!!


I have to disagree. If trigger control is used, the majority of middle and west TN can grow a good number of mature 130" bucks.


How many is a "good number?"


I'd say 2 130+ bucks per 1000 acres is possible.
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#2846026 - 06/06/12 09:08 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
 Originally Posted By: 102

Trying to manage the Tennessee herd for 130s is INSANE!!!


I have to disagree. If trigger control is used, the majority of middle and west TN can grow a good number of mature 130" bucks.


How many is a "good number?"


Not in west TN where I hunt....keep dreaming
I'd say 2 130+ bucks per 1000 acres is possible.
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#2846072 - 06/06/12 09:48 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: A.Hall]
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 Originally Posted By: A.Hall
 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
 Originally Posted By: BSK
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 Originally Posted By: 102

Trying to manage the Tennessee herd for 130s is INSANE!!!


I have to disagree. If trigger control is used, the majority of middle and west TN can grow a good number of mature 130" bucks.


How many is a "good number?"

I'd say 2 130+ bucks per 1000 acres is possible.



Not in west TN where I hunt....keep dreaming



For it to be possible you have to do what your not willing to do.


You have to let the young ones walk.


Edited by 8 POINTS OR BETTER (06/06/12 09:49 PM)
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#2846075 - 06/06/12 09:51 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: A.Hall]
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I said it sure would be nice to see a couple of 130s around here.By here I meant central west Tennessee.Fertile bottom land,plenty of agriculture.Our bucks regularly grow 100 inches of antler by 2 1/2 years of age.What could they grow in another two years we hardly ever get to see.I have been deer hunting for 21 years AROUND HERE I know what we can do.It is very rare that one
of those pretty 100in 2 year olds makes it through the 60+ day gauntlet we call deer season.
I have worked full time for a taxidermist for the last 15 years.I have had my hands on at least 2,000 deer from all over this country.And i can say there is a huge difference in those big heavy midwestern deer and the little southern deer most of us hunt.There is just no comparison.All I am saying is shorten our firearms season and I will show you boys some 130s.


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#2846077 - 06/06/12 10:00 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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 Originally Posted By: A.Hall
 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
 Originally Posted By: 102

Trying to manage the Tennessee herd for 130s is INSANE!!!


I have to disagree. If trigger control is used, the majority of middle and west TN can grow a good number of mature 130" bucks.


How many is a "good number?"

I'd say 2 130+ bucks per 1000 acres is possible.



Not in west TN where I hunt....keep dreaming


I hunt some of the poorest dirt in West TN and we average a little better than a couple 130+ per 1000 acres.




Edited by 8 POINTS OR BETTER (06/06/12 10:23 PM)
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#2846236 - 06/07/12 07:41 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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8 points or better and SEC have some great things to say for sure. Let some deer get some age on them, a 2 buck limit would be a great start. SEC, finally, our gun season is crazy. What FEW deer get age and then the even fewer that get age (not sure I completely agree with the people who say just because you let them grow only a SMALL percentage will get better racks) and grow nice racks, become vampires through all the pressure.

I am more and more hearing something different from a few people who get it. What I mean is, some people are figuring out if give more bucks a chance to live, it is amazing what happens, you have some bigger bucks show up, contrary to what all the experts on here say, that age does not matter, Tennessee will never grow a 130" deer, etc. A few people are realizing that you let some bucks LIVE, some get bigger. I know it is hard to believe. Shortening gun season would also help with being able to see some of these deer, even more so since as BSK has pointed out, the terrain of much of Tennessee makes these deer hard to locate and even if you do they are difficult to hunt.


Edited by Headhunter (06/07/12 07:42 AM)
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#2846255 - 06/07/12 08:05 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: SEC]
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.And i can say there is a huge difference in those big heavy midwestern deer and the little southern deer most of us hunt.There is just no comparison.


This is my purely uneducated assumption of why we don't see as many big deer killed in TN than some of the mid western states....

Open Google maps and compare our state to one of those mid-western states. Our state looks like it's covered in a spider web of roadways/interstates/subdivisions/towns/cities. In the mid-west you've got vast ares of open land for wildlife to roam and hide that we don't have here anymore. I think that has a whole lot to do with it. It's hard enough to find them in a little 250-500 acre tract like most of us are used to. Can you imagine how old bucks could live with 15000 acre chunks of un-subdivided land to hide in...

I love TN because it's such a beautiful place to live, but apparently that's why everyone else does to. I guess that's why instead of seeing deer there's now a big ol' home on top of every hilltop out in what used to be "the country" now..

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#2846267 - 06/07/12 08:12 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
 Originally Posted By: BSK
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 Originally Posted By: 102

Trying to manage the Tennessee herd for 130s is INSANE!!!


I have to disagree. If trigger control is used, the majority of middle and west TN can grow a good number of mature 130" bucks.


How many is a "good number?"


I'd say 2 130+ bucks per 1000 acres is possible.


I can live with that.
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#2846343 - 06/07/12 09:41 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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I am more and more hearing something different from a few people who get it. What I mean is, some people are figuring out if give more bucks a chance to live, it is amazing what happens, you have some bigger bucks show up, contrary to what all the experts on here say, that age does not matter, Tennessee will never grow a 130" deer, etc. A few people are realizing that you let some bucks LIVE, some get bigger. I know it is hard to believe. Shortening gun season would also help with being able to see some of these deer, even more so since as BSK has pointed out, the terrain of much of Tennessee makes these deer hard to locate and even if you do they are difficult to hunt.


Headhunter,

I promise I'm not picking on you in particular, just using some things you said above to highlight a point that really irks me. Time and time again I see users of this site make comments about what I and others are saying that are completely inaccurate, twisting our comments way outside our actual points.

Over and over I've seen people post like you did, "...contrary to what all the experts on here say, that age does not matter, Tennessee will never grow a 130" deer, etc." I can't speak for the other "experts," but I can say unequivocally, that I have NEVER said "age does not matter." As I've said a thousand times, as a general rule, individual bucks will grow larger antlers with increasing age. And as for, "...Tennessee will never grow a 130 deer..." in my most recent post on that topic above, I clearly stated: "...don't get me wrong, 130+ bucks will pop up just about anywhere in TN. A few can be grown anywhere." And then again, "Again, I'm not saying 130+ bucks can't be produced in TN. They can, anywhere." But the point I was trying to make was, and I stand fully behind my earlier comments with plenty of solid scientific data to back up my claims: "When you start looking at the percentage of bucks in the older age classes that grow 130+ antlers, it is pretty small." And, "...[130+ bucks] make up just a tiny percentage of the antlered buck population, even in well-managed areas."
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#2846356 - 06/07/12 10:20 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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I sincerely apologize BSK. That entire post was not aimed at you. But reading what many others on here post, that is what I understand to a great extent.
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#2846359 - 06/07/12 10:21 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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102 posted the following

"And here is the root of the problem. EXPECTATIONS.

Seeing a couple of 130s "every year" is NEVER going to happen for MOST of us. NEVER.

A 130 inch buck in Tennessee is like hitting the lottery. Although TV would lead you to believe otherwise, free ranging 130s are RARE. In the mid-west, maybe this is a little different, but still not that common.

Most Tennessee hunters would pee themselves if they had a TRULY 130 inch buck walk up to their stand. As would I. A 130 inch buck is a LARGE antlered buck.

Percentage wise, VERY FEW hunters in Tennessee will ever even SEE one. Even in other states.

There are those who say they have seen several, and maybe even passed several, but until it hits the ground with a tape to the horn, it is just TALK."


Hitting the lottery? Really?
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#2846369 - 06/07/12 10:40 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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Felt like I had won to me! ;\)
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#2846375 - 06/07/12 10:50 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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Hitting the lottery? Really?


That depends on where you hunt. In the best habitat areas of the state (Williamson Couny, along the MS River, and most recently some of the southcentral TN counties [great mix of agriculture and woodland]), I know of quite a few hunters that see several 130+ bucks per year. However, in the poorer habitat that is so common across TN (ridge-and-hollow hardwoods), hunters can go many years without seeing 130+ buck, even in areas with an excellent buck age structure.

Again, I think most hunters would agree my property is well-managed. Since 2004, right around 1 in every 4 bucks using my property each year is 3 1/2+. One out of 10 is 4 1/2+. And I would consider my place to be "above average" in that every year at least 1 buck using the property will top 140 gross. In that time-frame of 2004 to the present, I have seen plenty of 3 1/2+ bucks and killed a handful, about half of those being mature (4 1/2+). Yet in that same time-frame I have seen a grand total of one 130+ buck.

Now I'm by no means a good hunter, but I'm not a lousy hunter either. But the combination of two factors of: 1) a low percentage of older to mature bucks grow 130+ antlers in my terrain/habitat; and 2) the difficulty of successfully seeing and killing older to mature bucks in my terrain/habitat; make regularly seeing 130+ bucks a low percentage proposition, even though a few do exist each year.
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#2846396 - 06/07/12 11:34 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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One other thing to think about: most true "trophy hunters" in TN, especially the successful ones, travel all over the state looking for the best properties to hunt for large-antlered bucks. Remember that. A huge difference exists between the majority of hunters who have just one piece of property to hunt year after year (often a small-acreage tract) and the trophy hunter traveling all over looking for the very best area possible. For the hunter with little choice as to where they hunt, how often do you think their spot will happen to be one of the very best spots in the state?

This is also why we hear such "wonder stories" about KY. TN hunters go to hunt KY because their area of TN doesn't offer an opportunity to see/kill big-antlered bucks and look for and go to the very best areas of KY. Well of course their experience is much better in KY! They've gone from an unproductive area (no matter where it is or in what state it's in), and gone to a notoriously productive area (no matter where it is or in what state it's in). I have no doubt a hunter from one of the unproductive areas of KY, if allowed to hunt in Williamson County TN, would absolutely rave about how great TN is.
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#2846407 - 06/07/12 12:03 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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One other thing to think about: most true "trophy hunters" in TN, especially the successful ones, travel all over the state looking for the best properties to hunt for large-antlered bucks. Remember that. A huge difference exists between the majority of hunters who have just one piece of property to hunt year after year (often a small-acreage tract) and the trophy hunter traveling all over looking for the very best area possible. For the hunter with little choice as to where they hunt, how often do you think their spot will happen to be one of the very best spots in the state?

This is also why we hear such "wonder stories" about KY. TN hunters go to hunt KY because their area of TN doesn't offer an opportunity to see/kill big-antlered bucks and look for and go to the very best areas of KY. Well of course their experience is much better in KY! They've gone from an unproductive area (no matter where it is or in what state it's in), and gone to a notoriously productive area (no matter where it is or in what state it's in). I have no doubt a hunter from one of the unproductive areas of KY, if allowed to hunt in Williamson County TN, would absolutely rave about how great TN is.


All you have to do is stand on the side of I-24 on a Friday during Deer season and watch the traffic, heading to KY and IL,
and over 50% of them have TN tags on their trucks.

Very WELL spoken BSK
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#2846424 - 06/07/12 12:33 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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I'd say 2 130+ bucks per 1000 acres is possible.



Not in west TN where I hunt....keep dreaming


I hunt some of the poorest dirt in West TN and we average a little better than a couple 130+ per 1000 acres.


Very reasonable number 8 POINTS OR BETTER. In any giver year, I will photo-census eight to ten 3 1/2+ year-old bucks using my 500 acres. Of those, usually one breaks 130 (sometimes two). Double the size I could monitor (from 500 to 1,000 acres) and yes, a couple of 130+ bucks per year would be reasonable. But also remember, that would be a couple of 130+ bucks out of the 16-18+ 3 1/2+ bucks captured on camera. Again, a very low percentage. But a few of those 130+ bucks would exist.
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#2846552 - 06/07/12 03:36 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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I'd say 2 130+ bucks per 1000 acres is possible.



Not in west TN where I hunt....keep dreaming


I hunt some of the poorest dirt in West TN and we average a little better than a couple 130+ per 1000 acres.


Very reasonable number 8 POINTS OR BETTER. In any giver year, I will photo-census eight to ten 3 1/2+ year-old bucks using my 500 acres. Of those, usually one breaks 130 (sometimes two). Double the size I could monitor (from 500 to 1,000 acres) and yes, a couple of 130+ bucks per year would be reasonable. But also remember, that would be a couple of 130+ bucks out of the 16-18+ 3 1/2+ bucks captured on camera. Again, a very low percentage. But a few of those 130+ bucks would exist.



What % of your 4.5+ bucks will score 130+.
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#2846560 - 06/07/12 03:46 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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I'd say 2 130+ bucks per 1000 acres is possible.



Not in west TN where I hunt....keep dreaming


I hunt some of the poorest dirt in West TN and we average a little better than a couple 130+ per 1000 acres.


Very reasonable number 8 POINTS OR BETTER. In any giver year, I will photo-census eight to ten 3 1/2+ year-old bucks using my 500 acres. Of those, usually one breaks 130 (sometimes two). Double the size I could monitor (from 500 to 1,000 acres) and yes, a couple of 130+ bucks per year would be reasonable. But also remember, that would be a couple of 130+ bucks out of the 16-18+ 3 1/2+ bucks captured on camera. Again, a very low percentage. But a few of those 130+ bucks would exist.



What % of your 4.5+ bucks will score 130+.


90% of the time, it is one of the 4 1/2+ bucks that scores 130+ (I get 2-4 mature bucks on film per year). But on rare occassion, a 3 1/2 will.

The strange thing about the mature bucks in my area is, the majority are low scoring (100-120). Yet then there will be one real whopper, and that one whopper skews the averages. I always say the average mature buck in my area scores 120-125, but actually, most score less than that. The average score is as high as it is because of the one whopper I will get that skews the average upwards.

I see the same thing on clients' properties in the same habitat/terrain. Lots of mature bucks in the 110s to low 120s, with the rare 130. Then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, one absolute whopper buck that is a real statistical outlier. And he's not just a little bigger, but A LOT bigger than the other bucks of his age, often something in the 150-165 range. Why these truly giant outliers show up like that, with very few in between the giant and the "average" is beyond me. Normally the one "whopper" buck is never seen or killed. But on very rare occassion, one of the hunters will luck into him. One particular client--a club--not far from my place normally killed 3 1/2 and 4 1/2 year-old bucks in the 110-125 range. Yet last year, one of the members killed their one "whopper" buck. The buck grossed 172. That's the largest buck I've seen come out of Humphreys County since the buck RS caught on camera in velvet several years ago, and a teenage girl killed during MZ season (gross 174).

I've been very lucky so far. In the 25 years I've owned and hunted my property, I've been lucky enough to kill two of those "whopper" statistical outliers (a 157 and a 156 gross). My cousins have 300 acres just down the road from my place. They normally kill bucks in the 90-115 range, yet in the 15 years they've owned the property, they too killed one of the statistical outlier bucks, a 12 point grossing 158.
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#2846637 - 06/07/12 07:21 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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102 posted the following

"And here is the root of the problem. EXPECTATIONS.

Seeing a couple of 130s "every year" is NEVER going to happen for MOST of us. NEVER.

A 130 inch buck in Tennessee is like hitting the lottery. Although TV would lead you to believe otherwise, free ranging 130s are RARE. In the mid-west, maybe this is a little different, but still not that common.

Most Tennessee hunters would pee themselves if they had a TRULY 130 inch buck walk up to their stand. As would I. A 130 inch buck is a LARGE antlered buck.

Percentage wise, VERY FEW hunters in Tennessee will ever even SEE one. Even in other states.

There are those who say they have seen several, and maybe even passed several, but until it hits the ground with a tape to the horn, it is just TALK."


Hitting the lottery? Really?


Yep!!!

And a few of us have hit it. Some of us more than once.
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#2846681 - 06/07/12 08:36 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: catman529]
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#2846866 - 06/08/12 08:26 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 102]
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102 posted the following

"And here is the root of the problem. EXPECTATIONS.

Seeing a couple of 130s "every year" is NEVER going to happen for MOST of us. NEVER.

A 130 inch buck in Tennessee is like hitting the lottery. Although TV would lead you to believe otherwise, free ranging 130s are RARE. In the mid-west, maybe this is a little different, but still not that common.

Most Tennessee hunters would pee themselves if they had a TRULY 130 inch buck walk up to their stand. As would I. A 130 inch buck is a LARGE antlered buck.

Percentage wise, VERY FEW hunters in Tennessee will ever even SEE one. Even in other states.

There are those who say they have seen several, and maybe even passed several, but until it hits the ground with a tape to the horn, it is just TALK."


Hitting the lottery? Really?


Yep!!!

And a few of us have hit it. Some of us more than once.

Some even several times!! When do you stop calling it being lucky???

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#2846915 - 06/08/12 09:14 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Winchester]
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Hitting the lottery? Really?


Yep!!!

And a few of us have hit it. Some of us more than once.

Some even several times!! When do you stop calling it being lucky???


When a hunter does it consistantly. At that point it is skill. Considering I can kill a 3 1/2+ buck 2 out of every 3 years, I consider that a skill. But considering I rarely kill a 130+ buck, when I do, that's luck!
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#2846948 - 06/08/12 09:56 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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Hitting the lottery? Really?


Yep!!!

And a few of us have hit it. Some of us more than once.

Some even several times!! When do you stop calling it being lucky???


When a hunter does it consistantly. At that point it is skill. Considering I can kill a 3 1/2+ buck 2 out of every 3 years, I consider that a skill. But considering I rarely kill a 130+ buck, when I do, that's luck!

Exactly BSK, Ive said it for years on here, when you have success on your targets CONSISTENTLY year in and year out, its no longer luck! Luck is where preparation and opportunity come together, and even then you have to convert on the situation!

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#2846976 - 06/08/12 10:45 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Winchester]
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Agreed Winchester.
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#2847305 - 06/09/12 04:01 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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BSK and Winchester...I agree.
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#2847658 - 06/09/12 10:21 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 102]
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I believe BSK is the knows and understands more about deer than most anyone on here. Statistics are only numbers though and many times mean absolutely ZERO in the real world. No way anyone truly knows how many deer we have, how many mature bucks there are or how many are killed. Who knows which buck will turn into a great deer at an older age or be a great one at a young age? NOBODY truly knows anything. I believe whatever can be done to help more bucks live to an older age and still allow a hunter to shoot whatever buck he wants is only a positive. Just not 3 young bucks a season. Makes absolutely no sense. All the statistics that are thrown out in many instances can be completely wrong, just like thinkin a 1 buck limit will magically make trophy bucks show up everywhere. What harm can there be though in helping more bucks get some age? None that I know of.

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#2847661 - 06/09/12 10:26 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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Luck has much to do with hunting, I don't care what you say. But probably the most important thing there is hunting is having time to go and dedicate to killing a great buck. You can have everything you want, be a skilled hunter, be the best hunter, etc., but just like when a young buck is killed he will never grow anymore, you are not going to kill a buck if you are not hunting when he shows up. I guarantee, many of the bucks you see killed on TV, if not most, they did not hunt one hour, one half day or a day, probably hunted more like days or even weeks to kill a great buck.
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#2847884 - 06/10/12 11:28 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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"I guarantee, many of the bucks you see killed on TV, if not most, they did not hunt one hour, one half day or a day, probably hunted more like days or even weeks to kill a great buck."

Headhunter,
That last post is all I can take.

ARE YOU FREAKIN KIDDING ME???

YOU HAVE GOT TO QUIT WATCHING TV AND COME BACK TO REALITY!!!
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#2847916 - 06/10/12 12:35 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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Statistics are only numbers though and many times mean absolutely ZERO in the real world.


Nothing could be further from the truth. When "numbers" appear to "mean absolutely ZERO in the real world," it isn't a problem of using numbers, it is a problem of human interpretation of those numbers. Sometimes the problem is the way the numbers were collected (improper study design), sometimes it is a problem of innocent mistakes in interpretation of the numbers, and sometimes the problem is purposeful misinterpretation of the numbers for political purposes (pushing an agenda). The trick is 1) figuring out which numbers are meaningful and which aren't; and 2) for numbers not meaningful, which of the three problems listed previously are the cause of the problem.

But without "numbers" and stistics we would know nothing. Absolutely nothing. We would still be living in caves and throwing rocks at the moon in fear.


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No way anyone truly knows how many deer we have, how many mature bucks there are or how many are killed.


Absolutely true. We do not know and probably will not know for some time (until Star Trek-like planetary scanners are invented). However, pointing that we don't know exactly how many denies that fact that we know more and more all the time, and decisions based off "the best information available" gets better as more information is known. We now know far more about "what is out there" than we used to, hence we can make better decisions. In the future, we will known more, hence make better decisions, but suggesting good and/or helpful decisions can't be made until we know exactly "what is out there" is utter foolishness. The more we know, the better the decisions that can be made, and the lower the chance the wrong decisions are made. But the idea that no good decisions can be made until everything is known absolutely defies the advances we have made without knowing everything that can be known.


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Who knows which buck will turn into a great deer at an older age or be a great one at a young age?


We don't, and that's why we don't attempt to manage individual deer. We set the stage to let Nature take Her course.


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NOBODY truly knows anything.


Nobody knows all that can be known, but that doesn't stop people who know MORE from making great predictions and accurate calculations; i.e. Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Einstein, etc.


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I believe whatever can be done to help more bucks live to an older age and still allow a hunter to shoot whatever buck he wants is only a positive.


You'll get no argument from me there, except in degree. What if a perfectly adequate number of bucks ARE surviving to older ages? Why would you need to change anything? Removing hunter opportunity in that situation does nothing but produce a less positive experience for the hunter for no biological gain. Why would you knowingly introduce a negative for no positive return?

Now I'm not suggesting buck survival is adequate everywhere in the state. It certainly IS NOT. Some areas have perfectly adequate and healthy buck survival and some areas don't.

The trick is, how do you find and address the problem areas without harming hunter opportunity in the areas where no additional restrictions are needed, and would certainly be a negative if introduced? To exacerbate the difficulty of accomplishing this, what if the "problem" areas are scattered helter skelter all over the place and are mixed in directly adjacent to areas that do not have a problem? Now how do you find all these micro-problem areas and address them without negatively effecting the neighboring areas? Unfortunately, from a statewide agency perspective, the answer is you don't. That level of micromanagement is not yet possible.


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Just not 3 young bucks a season. Makes absolutely no sense.


Why doesn't it make sense, considering very, very few hunters are killing 3 bucks a year? In fact, more than half of hunters kill no bucks at all in a given year, and only 1-2% of hunters kill 3 bucks in a year.


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All the statistics that are thrown out in many instances can be completely wrong, just like thinkin a 1 buck limit will magically make trophy bucks show up everywhere.


All of the statistics being completely wrong? Virtually impossible. We don't need to know absolutely everything that can be known to make some good biological and sociobiological decisions.


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What harm can there be though in helping more bucks get some age? None that I know of.


I and others have listed the possible negative ramifications of a highly restrictive buck bag limit where it is not needed many times. You just refuse to accept these potential problems.

All this said, I have absolutely no problem with the TWRA trying some experiments. I have absolutely no problem with the TWRA testing a 1 buck limit in areas that have poor buck age structures. But first, they would need to find areas large enough to manage through such rules that have a poor buck age structure (such as an entire county of group of counties), and second, I would want to see hunters want to see buck age structure improved in these areas and be willing to do what is necessary to improve buck age structure.
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#2847970 - 06/10/12 02:00 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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BSK What do you think would happen to the buck age structure in lets say Iowa or Illinois if they went to our season.
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#2848004 - 06/10/12 03:34 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: SEC]
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BSK What do you think would happen to the buck age structure in lets say Iowa or Illinois if they went to our season.


Comparing the big-agriculture Midwestern states to heavily wooded and hilly TN is comparing apples and oranges.

The big-ag Midwestern states have the short gun seasons and/or low buck bag limits they do for two primary reason: 1) tradition--they have always had short firearms seasons and low buck bag limits; and 2) to limit the buck harvest in habitat and terrain where deer are highly visible and harvestable. When the terrain is table-top flat, and 80+% of the habitat is wide open ag fields that have been harvested by firearms season, deer (and especially bucks) are highly visible, hence highly harvestable. A long firearms season or high buck bag limit would allow overharvest of the buck population.

On the other hand, much of TN is very low-visibility forest and/or rugged terrain (which also limits visual distances). TN can allow longer seasons and more liberal limits and produce similar hunter-induced buck mortality because the short visual distances here are such limiters on buck harvestability.
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#2848017 - 06/10/12 04:24 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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#2848103 - 06/10/12 07:27 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: SEC]
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 Originally Posted By: SEC
 Originally Posted By: A.Hall
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The people have spoken give us what we want.


Yes, the majority of the board has spoken...

1) 6-10 days scouting....hmmmm not much time scouting for a specific deer

2) 21-40 days hunting.... Must be very good at scouting, killed their limit

3) yes... Wow! See 1 & 2

4) doesn't matter

5) after reading 1 & 2 no wonder the
Majority wants to kill 2 bucks, they are so good at scouting they can kill 3 bucks in 21-40 days in the specific age group they are looking for.

Sure as hell wish I was that good at hunting and had that kind of hunting ground, cause where I hunt, I'm luck to see 20 deer a year.
You need to find a better place to hunt.
that's what i was thinking. most guys i know dont even scout because they have good ground in which they have hunted for years and they know where the deer are gonna be year after year.

i only scout new ground. i see no need to scout the places that i've hunted for years. i have some stands that i have never moved and every year they produce mature bucks. my friends and i just stay out of those areas until it's prime time to hunt them.

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#2848146 - 06/10/12 08:01 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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BSK What do you think would happen to the buck age structure in lets say Iowa or Illinois if they went to our season.


Comparing the big-agriculture Midwestern states to heavily wooded and hilly TN is comparing apples and oranges.

The big-ag Midwestern states have the short gun seasons and/or low buck bag limits they do for two primary reason: 1) tradition--they have always had short firearms seasons and low buck bag limits; and 2) to limit the buck harvest in habitat and terrain where deer are highly visible and harvestable. When the terrain is table-top flat, and 80+% of the habitat is wide open ag fields that have been harvested by firearms season, deer (and especially bucks) are highly visible, hence highly harvestable. A long firearms season or high buck bag limit would allow overharvest of the buck population.

On the other hand, much of TN is very low-visibility forest and/or rugged terrain (which also limits visual distances). TN can allow longer seasons and more liberal limits and produce similar hunter-induced buck mortality because the short visual distances here are such limiters on buck harvestability.
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#2848268 - 06/10/12 10:31 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: timberjack86]
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102, I have basically never watched hunting shows and do not watch hunting shows. The VERY few I have watched are terrible and you do not have to watch very many to see that generally big bucks are killed in hunting shows. I personally know some guys who make some of those shows, very well known names. Generally speaking a great amount of time is spent to get a kill on camera. I know some of the "canned" hunts are probably not as difficult, but one advantage most of the tv hunters have (and it is a huge advantage) is that they can hunt a particular buck for days on end.

I base ALL my thoughts on what I SEE in this state and my personal experience. I still say there is NO way in this world to know what can happen in the wild (or even with the suburban deer) and every young buck that gets killed cuts down the percentages even more since they are already so low as BSK has stated if you believe that. I do not. I believe and it has been proven to me that more areas in this state than most would believe can grow some great deer if only given a chance to. I firmly BELIEVE anyone should be able kill any buck they want, but only 1 (maybe 2) but not 3 or more, that is crazy in a time when our population is exploding and hunting lands are decreasing even more.

in response to my post
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Just not 3 young bucks a season. Makes absolutely no sense.

BSK posted
Why doesn't it make sense, considering very, very few hunters are killing 3 bucks a year? In fact, more than half of hunters kill no bucks at all in a given year, and only 1-2% of hunters kill 3 bucks in a year."

Then there is just as strong an argument for a 1 buck limit as there is a 3, since more than half of the hunters do not kill a buck.

I am not a "trophy" hunter as you probably think I am. I despise TV hunting shows. I do try to kill the best buck I can when I kill one and I shoot most every momma doe I see, and only momma does. I firmly believe our long gun season along with the 3 buck limit are 2 things that could be modified to help the overall hunting in our state without hurting anyone's hunting enjoyment in any way.



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#2848274 - 06/10/12 10:42 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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I firmly believe our long gun season along with the 3 buck limit are 2 things that could be modified to help the overall hunting in our state without hurting anyone's hunting enjoyment in any way.



a reduced limit and shortened season would hurt my enjoyment by ending the season too early
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#2848477 - 06/11/12 09:25 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: Headhunter
I firmly believe our long gun season along with the 3 buck limit are 2 things that could be modified to help the overall hunting in our state without hurting anyone's hunting enjoyment in any way.



a reduced limit and shortened season would hurt my enjoyment by ending the season too early


Ditto what stik said
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#2848483 - 06/11/12 09:30 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: A.Hall]
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 Originally Posted By: A.Hall
 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: Headhunter
I firmly believe our long gun season along with the 3 buck limit are 2 things that could be modified to help the overall hunting in our state without hurting anyone's hunting enjoyment in any way.



a reduced limit and shortened season would hurt my enjoyment by ending the season too early


Ditto what stik said
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#2848521 - 06/11/12 10:24 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Beekeeper]
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 Originally Posted By: Beekeeper
 Originally Posted By: A.Hall
 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: Headhunter
I firmly believe our long gun season along with the 3 buck limit are 2 things that could be modified to help the overall hunting in our state without hurting anyone's hunting enjoyment in any way.



a reduced limit and shortened season would hurt my enjoyment by ending the season too early


Ditto what stik said
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#2848533 - 06/11/12 10:46 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: strutandrut]
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 Originally Posted By: strutandrut
 Originally Posted By: Beekeeper
 Originally Posted By: A.Hall
 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: Headhunter
I firmly believe our long gun season along with the 3 buck limit are 2 things that could be modified to help the overall hunting in our state without hurting anyone's hunting enjoyment in any way.



a reduced limit and shortened season would hurt my enjoyment by ending the season too early


Ditto what stik said
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Same here. I was really glad to see where they had extended season back to the first weekend in Jan. I almost always don't even see a buck that last week, let alone kill one, but the enjoyment of being out there is still present. ;\)
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#2848551 - 06/11/12 11:15 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Bone Collector]
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#2848646 - 06/11/12 12:48 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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BSK What do you think would happen to the buck age structure in lets say Iowa or Illinois if they went to our season.


Comparing the big-agriculture Midwestern states to heavily wooded and hilly TN is comparing apples and oranges.Comparing where you hunt and where I hunt is like comparing apples and oranges.

The big-ag Midwestern states have the short gun seasons and/or low buck bag limits they do for two primary reason: 1) tradition--they have always had short firearms seasons and low buck bag limits; and 2) to limit the buck harvest in habitat and terrain where deer are highly visible and harvestable. When the terrain is table-top flat, and 80+% of the habitat is wide open ag fields that have been harvested by firearms season, deer (and especially bucks) are highly visible, hence highly harvestable. A long firearms season or high buck bag limit would allow overharvest of the buck population.Most of my terrain is table top flat deer are
highly visible,hence highly killable.
On the other hand, much of TN is very low-visibility forest and/or rugged terrain (which also limits visual distances). TN can allow longer seasons and more liberal limits and produce similar hunter-induced buck mortality because the short visual distances here are such limiters on buck harvestability.
Comparing where you hunt to where I hunt in Tennessee is like comparing apples to oranges.We have huge fields hundreds of acres in size,small wood lots.Somewhat like those midwestern states previously mentioned. Its not uncommon for us to see 20+ deer a day up to 7 or 8 bucks on a good morning. The young bucks are not making it through the long season where I hunt.


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#2848668 - 06/11/12 01:10 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: SEC]
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Still amazing to me, to see that many deer day in and day out, and on top of that, add 7-10 bucks a sighting? I've said it before, but I'm lucky to see a buck or two, usually, during the season, with a high of about 4, maybe 5 different ones in an extremely good year.
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#2848682 - 06/11/12 01:47 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: MUP]
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Still amazing to me, to see that many deer day in and day out, and on top of that, add 7-10 bucks a sighting? I've said it before, but I'm lucky to see a buck or two, usually, during the season, with a high of about 4, maybe 5 different ones in an extremely good year.


Wow! Thats tough!
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#2848700 - 06/11/12 02:21 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
Still amazing to me, to see that many deer day in and day out, and on top of that, add 7-10 bucks a sighting? I've said it before, but I'm lucky to see a buck or two, usually, during the season, with a high of about 4, maybe 5 different ones in an extremely good year.
We have so many deer here you can shoot doe's till your blue in the face and they just keep on coming.I have one farm where the deer ate 60 acres of soybeans.

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#2848719 - 06/11/12 02:42 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: SEC]
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SEC,
That is YOUR fault.
THere are a bunch of hunters who would not only love to come hunt and see that many deer, and kill your DOES, they would also PAY to kill your does.
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#2848735 - 06/11/12 03:00 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: muddyboots]
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 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
 Originally Posted By: MUP
Still amazing to me, to see that many deer day in and day out, and on top of that, add 7-10 bucks a sighting? I've said it before, but I'm lucky to see a buck or two, usually, during the season, with a high of about 4, maybe 5 different ones in an extremely good year.


Wow! Thats tough!
Yep,thats tuff huntin
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#2848736 - 06/11/12 03:01 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 102]
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SEC,
That is YOUR fault.
THere are a bunch of hunters who would not only love to come hunt and see that many deer, and kill your DOES, they would also PAY to kill your does.
102 Its not my fault.Believe me I have done my part.Most people around here shoot the first three bucks they see and then quit hunting for the year.One man can only kill so many.Every time I bring people in to shoot does they start shooting about dark and we start tracking deer its always the same thing MAN I THOUGHT IT WAS A DOE.I hate it when that happens.

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#2848744 - 06/11/12 03:08 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 102]
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SEC wrote:

"I agree but we could do better. States like IL.and IA. and all the other big buck states have one thing in common shorter firearms seasons and lower buck limits. It sure would be nice to see a couple 130s every year around here but with every tom,dick,and harry blasting away at them for 60 plus days with highpower rifles its never gonna happen.You cant kill what aint there."

"It sure would be nice to see a couple 130s every year "

And here is the root of the problem. EXPECTATIONS.

Seeing a couple of 130s "every year" is NEVER going to happen for MOST of us. NEVER.

A 130 inch buck in Tennessee is like hitting the lottery. Although TV would lead you to believe otherwise, free ranging 130s are RARE. In the mid-west, maybe this is a little different, but still not that common.

Most Tennessee hunters would pee themselves if they had a TRULY 130 inch buck walk up to their stand. As would I. A 130 inch buck is a LARGE antlered buck.

Percentage wise, VERY FEW hunters in Tennessee will ever even SEE one. Even in other states.

There are those who say they have seen several, and maybe even passed several, but until it hits the ground with a tape to the horn, it is just TALK.

Trying to manage the Tennessee herd for 130s is INSANE!!!



Check out how many net 130"+ in just Humphreys and Stewart counties are in the TN deer registry. If there are that many net 130"+ registered, just imagine how many gross 130"+ that are not.

http://www.tennregistry.com/search_county2.aspx

I wish winning the lottery was that easy.
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#2848774 - 06/11/12 03:40 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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SEC wrote:

"I agree but we could do better. States like IL.and IA. and all the other big buck states have one thing in common shorter firearms seasons and lower buck limits. It sure would be nice to see a couple 130s every year around here but with every tom,dick,and harry blasting away at them for 60 plus days with highpower rifles its never gonna happen.You cant kill what aint there."

"It sure would be nice to see a couple 130s every year "

And here is the root of the problem. EXPECTATIONS.

Seeing a couple of 130s "every year" is NEVER going to happen for MOST of us. NEVER.

A 130 inch buck in Tennessee is like hitting the lottery. Although TV would lead you to believe otherwise, free ranging 130s are RARE. In the mid-west, maybe this is a little different, but still not that common.

Most Tennessee hunters would pee themselves if they had a TRULY 130 inch buck walk up to their stand. As would I. A 130 inch buck is a LARGE antlered buck.

Percentage wise, VERY FEW hunters in Tennessee will ever even SEE one. Even in other states.

There are those who say they have seen several, and maybe even passed several, but until it hits the ground with a tape to the horn, it is just TALK.

Trying to manage the Tennessee herd for 130s is INSANE!!!



Check out how many net 130"+ in just Humphreys and Stewart counties are in the TN deer registry. If there are that many net 130"+ registered, just imagine how many gross 130"+ that are not.

http://www.tennregistry.com/search_county2.aspx

I wish winning the lottery was that easy.

You hit the nail on the head.

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#2848897 - 06/11/12 05:53 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: SEC]
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Comparing where you hunt to where I hunt in Tennessee is like comparing apples to oranges.We have huge fields hundreds of acres in size,small wood lots.Somewhat like those midwestern states previously mentioned. Its not uncommon for us to see 20+ deer a day up to 7 or 8 bucks on a good morning. The young bucks are not making it through the long season where I hunt.


Absolutely true SEC that vast difference exist in habitat and terrain (as well as deer density) across the state of TN. And that's why it is so difficult for the state agency to manage such a large area--because it is so diverse. And that's one more reason I'm glad I'm not them. Trying to set rules that will work in all those different habitat situations is a nightmare. They can't set the rules for the best areas nor the worst areas, just general rules that work well in as many areas as possible.
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#2848899 - 06/11/12 05:56 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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[Check out how many net 130"+ in just Humphreys and Stewart counties are in the TN deer registry. If there are that many net 130"+ registered, just imagine how many gross 130"+ that are not.

http://www.tennregistry.com/search_county2.aspx

I wish winning the lottery was that easy.



Yes, but those are net 130+ over a 40 year period. Divide that out and it's is just a couple per year over an entire county. That's not that many. And Stewart and Humphreys are two of the top counties for high-scoring bucks. Look at some of the other counties--very, very few.
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#2848934 - 06/11/12 06:46 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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[Check out how many net 130"+ in just Humphreys and Stewart counties are in the TN deer registry. If there are that many net 130"+ registered, just imagine how many gross 130"+ that are not.

http://www.tennregistry.com/search_county2.aspx

I wish winning the lottery was that easy.



Yes, but those are net 130+ over a 40 year period. Divide that out and it's is just a couple per year over an entire county. That's not that many. And Stewart and Humphreys are two of the top counties for high-scoring bucks. Look at some of the other counties--very, very few.


Yep but the terrain and dirt in Humphreys Co. is pretty much typical of the western half of middle TN, yet they have around 50 bucks listed that net 140"+. If thats the case then there is probably hundreds that would have grossed 130"+. How is the poor dirt of Humpherys Co. producing the good bucks?
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#2848949 - 06/11/12 07:01 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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I bet if you could put those bucks on a map of where they were killed, 90% would be within a mile of the Duck, Tennessee, or Buffalo River Bottoms. The Buffalo and Duck River Bottoms are some of the most productive agricultural ground in TN. At one time, "Big Bottom" (much of which is now the Duck River Unit of Tennessee National) was the largest bottomland under one fence in the entire state (20,000+ acres).
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#2848961 - 06/11/12 07:09 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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I bet if you could put those bucks on a map of where they were killed, 90% would be within a mile of the Duck, Tennessee, or Buffalo River Bottoms. The Buffalo and Duck River Bottoms are some of the most productive agricultural ground in TN. At one time, "Big Bottom" (much of which is now the Duck River Unit of Tennessee National) was the largest bottomland under one fence in the entire state (20,000+ acres).


I looked at the USDA crop maps, and Humphreys Co. has about the same or less acreage in crops than a lot of counties in TN. My bet would be large land holding and big leases in the area that practice trigger control is playing a major factor in the area.


Edited by 8 POINTS OR BETTER (06/11/12 07:10 PM)
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#2848989 - 06/11/12 07:50 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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I bet if you could put those bucks on a map of where they were killed, 90% would be within a mile of the Duck, Tennessee, or Buffalo River Bottoms. The Buffalo and Duck River Bottoms are some of the most productive agricultural ground in TN. At one time, "Big Bottom" (much of which is now the Duck River Unit of Tennessee National) was the largest bottomland under one fence in the entire state (20,000+ acres).


I looked at the USDA crop maps, and Humphreys Co. has about the same or less acreage in crops than a lot of counties in TN. My bet would be large land holding and big leases in the area that practice trigger control is playing a major factor in the area.


Many large landholdings any many QDM clubs in Humphreys is part of the reason it has a good buck age structure (although no better than Hickman, Houston or Perry Counties). In addition, hunter density has declined dramatically over the last 15 years. All of the timber company land that used to be open to the public has all been sold off, and the better hunting conditions in East TN is keeping most of the East TN hunters from flooding the area like they used to.

However, all the 130+ bucks--the bottomlands and most of those bucks come from around those bottomlands. Just ask anyone who hunts near them! They make up only a small part of Humphreys County, but most of the top-end bucks killed in the area come from those bottomlands.

A picture of Cherry Bottom (the last Buffalo River Bottom before the Buffalo joins the Duck). This bottomland is nearly 10 miles long and a mile wide (and always fully planted in corn and soybeans):



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#2849009 - 06/11/12 08:12 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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I usually only see 3 or 4 different bucks at the farm where I live and 3 or 4 others on the lease where I hunt. I know, from sign and trail cam pics, that there are 4 to 5 times that many bucks using the areas that I hunt. The 4800 acre lease I am on cost $500.00 per year and we usually have about 50 members that hunt.

This property is mostly wooded with about 80% of it in planted pines. This property is very thick and most shots are taken at less than 60 yards.

We follow state regulations and we usually kill between 75 and 100 deer a year. Of these it is about 50/50 bucks to doe. We usually take 3 or 4 bucks that would score 115 to 140. I do not think reducing the buck limit would help our age structure or improve our buck to doe ratio. The folks in middle and west TN should get on or start leases that have enough property so that they can manage it the way they want and enforce a 1 or 2 buck limit. I don't think that any buck I kill in ET would impact their efforts.
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#2849237 - 06/12/12 07:33 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Beekeeper]
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I usually only see 3 or 4 different bucks at the farm where I live and 3 or 4 others on the lease where I hunt. I know, from sign and trail cam pics, that there are 4 to 5 times that many bucks using the areas that I hunt. The 4800 acre lease I am on cost $500.00 per year and we usually have about 50 members that hunt.

This property is mostly wooded with about 80% of it in planted pines. This property is very thick and most shots are taken at less than 60 yards.

We follow state regulations and we usually kill between 75 and 100 deer a year. Of these it is about 50/50 bucks to doe. We usually take 3 or 4 bucks that would score 115 to 140. I do not think reducing the buck limit would help our age structure or improve our buck to doe ratio. The folks in middle and west TN should get on or start leases that have enough property so that they can manage it the way they want and enforce a 1 or 2 buck limit. I don't think that any buck I kill in ET would impact their efforts.


If yawl are killing 50 bucks that are 3 1/2 or older thats awesome but if u are killing 25 bucks out of that 50 that are 2 1/2 or younger i guarantee you could change your age structure regardless of antler score. This property you have described are not gonna produce your highest scoring bucks but it can be done with wait for it - allowing them to mature and having lots of food for them. I have seen it work on property just as you describe but on a smaller acreage.
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#2849271 - 06/12/12 08:25 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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I firmly believe our long gun season along with the 3 buck limit are 2 things that could be modified to help the overall hunting in our state without hurting anyone's hunting enjoyment in any way.


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Reducing MZ or rifle season length would definitely hurt my hunting enjoyment. I choose to hunt TN for the very fact we have long firearms seasons. I grew up in KY and still have my family's property there to hunt on, but I don't. I hate the experience of KY's short MZ and gun seasons, and the intensified hunting pressure they produce--a sea of orange in every tree as the short firearms seasons force every yahoo and their brother to all hunt at the same time. The hunting pressure is so intense that if you don't get a buck opening weekend, you're not going to. Hunting pressure drives the deer nocturnal after that. I love TN's long seasons, which spread hunting pressure out and gives many opportunities to hunt different time periods.

Now the 3 buck limit, I would have no problem with dropping it to 2. That would not effect my hunting enjoyment at all. But dropping it to 1 sure would. I would fight that move tooth-and-nail.
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#2849272 - 06/12/12 08:30 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: muddyboots]
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I usually only see 3 or 4 different bucks at the farm where I live and 3 or 4 others on the lease where I hunt. I know, from sign and trail cam pics, that there are 4 to 5 times that many bucks using the areas that I hunt. The 4800 acre lease I am on cost $500.00 per year and we usually have about 50 members that hunt.

This property is mostly wooded with about 80% of it in planted pines. This property is very thick and most shots are taken at less than 60 yards.

We follow state regulations and we usually kill between 75 and 100 deer a year. Of these it is about 50/50 bucks to doe. We usually take 3 or 4 bucks that would score 115 to 140. I do not think reducing the buck limit would help our age structure or improve our buck to doe ratio. The folks in middle and west TN should get on or start leases that have enough property so that they can manage it the way they want and enforce a 1 or 2 buck limit. I don't think that any buck I kill in ET would impact their efforts.


If yawl are killing 50 bucks that are 3 1/2 or older thats awesome but if u are killing 25 bucks out of that 50 that are 2 1/2 or younger i guarantee you could change your age structure regardless of antler score. This property you have described are not gonna produce your highest scoring bucks but it can be done with wait for it - allowing them to mature and having lots of food for them. I have seen it work on property just as you describe but on a smaller acreage.


I think what was meant by Beekeeper's post was that the lease rules are driving their harvest results, not state regulations. In that situation, changes in state regulations would have little impact.
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#2849298 - 06/12/12 08:55 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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I usually only see 3 or 4 different bucks at the farm where I live and 3 or 4 others on the lease where I hunt. I know, from sign and trail cam pics, that there are 4 to 5 times that many bucks using the areas that I hunt. The 4800 acre lease I am on cost $500.00 per year and we usually have about 50 members that hunt.

This property is mostly wooded with about 80% of it in planted pines. This property is very thick and most shots are taken at less than 60 yards.

We follow state regulations and we usually kill between 75 and 100 deer a year. Of these it is about 50/50 bucks to doe. We usually take 3 or 4 bucks that would score 115 to 140. I do not think reducing the buck limit would help our age structure or improve our buck to doe ratio. The folks in middle and west TN should get on or start leases that have enough property so that they can manage it the way they want and enforce a 1 or 2 buck limit. I don't think that any buck I kill in ET would impact their efforts.


If yawl are killing 50 bucks that are 3 1/2 or older thats awesome but if u are killing 25 bucks out of that 50 that are 2 1/2 or younger i guarantee you could change your age structure regardless of antler score. This property you have described are not gonna produce your highest scoring bucks but it can be done with wait for it - allowing them to mature and having lots of food for them. I have seen it work on property just as you describe but on a smaller acreage.


I think what was meant by Beekeeper's post was that the lease rules are driving their harvest results, not state regulations. In that situation, changes in state regulations would have little impact.


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#2849421 - 06/12/12 10:51 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Football Hunter]
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Still amazing to me, to see that many deer day in and day out, and on top of that, add 7-10 bucks a sighting? I've said it before, but I'm lucky to see a buck or two, usually, during the season, with a high of about 4, maybe 5 different ones in an extremely good year.


Wow! Thats tough!
Yep,thats tuff huntin


Welcome to my SE TN world of huntin'. ;\) Yet, I've managed to be quite succesful over the past 8 yrs or so, killing a decent buck every year since that far back. Some 3-1/2 yr olds and some 2-1/2, with a button added in the mix with a bow last season....I thought it was a doe, but it ate really good. ;\)

All this on my property of about 50 acres. My family owns about 150 acres, all bordering each other that is private, but I only hunt my land, which makes it all the sweeter.
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#2849429 - 06/12/12 10:58 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: MUP]
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Still amazing to me, to see that many deer day in and day out, and on top of that, add 7-10 bucks a sighting? I've said it before, but I'm lucky to see a buck or two, usually, during the season, with a high of about 4, maybe 5 different ones in an extremely good year.


Wow! Thats tough!
Yep,thats tuff huntin


Welcome to my SE TN world of huntin'. ;\) Yet, I've managed to be quite succesful over the past 8 yrs or so, killing a decent buck every year since that far back. Some 3-1/2 yr olds and some 2-1/2, with a button added in the mix with a bow last season....I thought it was a doe, but it ate really good. ;\)

All this on my property of about 50 acres. My family owns about 150 acres, all bordering each other that is private, but I only hunt my land, which makes it all the sweeter.


And that's a key point MUP. You make the best of your situation. Instead of whining about how your area isn't like IL, you make the best of what your area has to offer, whatever that is, and enjoy what it can realistically produce.
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#2849489 - 06/12/12 12:15 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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BSK posted about KY
" Hunting pressure drives the deer nocturnal after that. I love TN's long seasons, which spread hunting pressure out and gives many opportunities to hunt different time periods." That argument holds no water with me at all. Same thing in Tennessee, just our LONGGGGGGG gun season makes Tennessee deer behave like vampires for almost all of the year. I agree the intense gun season in KY makes them skittish fairly quickly, but the short muzzleloader before is a great time to hunt and the last muzzleloader is to. In my 25+ years experience hunting all over this state deer know what is happening and after the first week or so of December it gets as tough or tougher in Tennessee to kill a buck, especailly a good buck than it is KY after the first week of gun season.

The last muzzleloader in KY we saw tons of deer and many bucks and the area we hunt is absolutely hammered during gun season.
That won't happen in Tennessee because the deer are hunted so long with a gun. I have nothing against gun hunting, I own way to many, reload way to much, shoot to much, invest to much money and love to kill a deer with a gun, but it does not take a rocket scientist to see what gun hunting pressure, especially more than 2 months of gun hunting does to deer, especially bucks. Does are affected the same way when they targeted also.



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#2849526 - 06/12/12 01:03 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: muddyboots]
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I usually only see 3 or 4 different bucks at the farm where I live and 3 or 4 others on the lease where I hunt. I know, from sign and trail cam pics, that there are 4 to 5 times that many bucks using the areas that I hunt. The 4800 acre lease I am on cost $500.00 per year and we usually have about 50 members that hunt.

This property is mostly wooded with about 80% of it in planted pines. This property is very thick and most shots are taken at less than 60 yards.

We follow state regulations and we usually kill between 75 and 100 deer a year. Of these it is about 50/50 bucks to doe. We usually take 3 or 4 bucks that would score 115 to 140. I do not think reducing the buck limit would help our age structure or improve our buck to doe ratio. The folks in middle and west TN should get on or start leases that have enough property so that they can manage it the way they want and enforce a 1 or 2 buck limit. I don't think that any buck I kill in ET would impact their efforts.


If yawl are killing 50 bucks that are 3 1/2 or older thats awesome but if u are killing 25 bucks out of that 50 that are 2 1/2 or younger i guarantee you could change your age structure regardless of antler score. This property you have described are not gonna produce your highest scoring bucks but it can be done with wait for it - allowing them to mature and having lots of food for them. I have seen it work on property just as you describe but on a smaller acreage.
What you say has merit but most of the folks that hunt on this lease are not hunting to kill old mature bucks. They are hunting because they enjoy it and couldn't care less if the deer they kill is 2.5 or 5.5. They would be excited about killing a large older buck but that isn't the thing that drives them. Different people are motivated by different things and most of these guys wouldn't spend $500 if they were only allowed one buck even if they have never killed over one in a year. We enjoy the hunt and after we determined it was not a contest we enjoy even more.
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#2849527 - 06/12/12 01:05 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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Still amazing to me, to see that many deer day in and day out, and on top of that, add 7-10 bucks a sighting? I've said it before, but I'm lucky to see a buck or two, usually, during the season, with a high of about 4, maybe 5 different ones in an extremely good year.


Wow! Thats tough!
Yep,thats tuff huntin


Welcome to my SE TN world of huntin'. ;\) Yet, I've managed to be quite succesful over the past 8 yrs or so, killing a decent buck every year since that far back. Some 3-1/2 yr olds and some 2-1/2, with a button added in the mix with a bow last season....I thought it was a doe, but it ate really good. ;\)

All this on my property of about 50 acres. My family owns about 150 acres, all bordering each other that is private, but I only hunt my land, which makes it all the sweeter.


And that's a key point MUP. You make the best of your situation. Instead of whining about how your area isn't like IL, you make the best of what your area has to offer, whatever that is, and enjoy what it can realistically produce.


In all my years of hunting our land, I've only seen 2 140 class 10pts, and a very close to 130 class 8pt while actually in the woods. That makes taking one of those bucks, even if it's only one to date, such a grand thing in my eyes. I've had my opportunites at the other two, but failed to get it done for various reasons, but the one I have gotten is a real trophy in my eyes. ;\)
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#2849542 - 06/12/12 01:13 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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I bet if you could put those bucks on a map of where they were killed, 90% would be within a mile of the Duck, Tennessee, or Buffalo River Bottoms. The Buffalo and Duck River Bottoms are some of the most productive agricultural ground in TN. At one time, "Big Bottom" (much of which is now the Duck River Unit of Tennessee National) was the largest bottomland under one fence in the entire state (20,000+ acres).


I looked at the USDA crop maps, and Humphreys Co. has about the same or less acreage in crops than a lot of counties in TN. My bet would be large land holding and big leases in the area that practice trigger control is playing a major factor in the area.


Many large landholdings any many QDM clubs in Humphreys is part of the reason it has a good buck age structure (although no better than Hickman, Houston or Perry Counties). In addition, hunter density has declined dramatically over the last 15 years. All of the timber company land that used to be open to the public has all been sold off, and the better hunting conditions in East TN is keeping most of the East TN hunters from flooding the area like they used to.

However, all the 130+ bucks--the bottomlands and most of those bucks come from around those bottomlands. Just ask anyone who hunts near them! They make up only a small part of Humphreys County, but most of the top-end bucks killed in the area come from those bottomlands.

A picture of Cherry Bottom (the last Buffalo River Bottom before the Buffalo joins the Duck). This bottomland is nearly 10 miles long and a mile wide (and always fully planted in corn and soybeans):




I love this area BSK and have hunted portions of it and close to it. A GREAT place to deer hunt in TN!

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#2849543 - 06/12/12 01:16 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: muddyboots]
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Still amazing to me, to see that many deer day in and day out, and on top of that, add 7-10 bucks a sighting? I've said it before, but I'm lucky to see a buck or two, usually, during the season, with a high of about 4, maybe 5 different ones in an extremely good year.


Wow! Thats tough!

I agree! I hunt a mix of public and private ground here in East TN and I see this many deer and bucks included, in a single good wknd in Nov most yrs!

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#2849586 - 06/12/12 02:01 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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In my 25+ years experience hunting all over this state deer know what is happening and after the first week or so of December it gets as tough or tougher in Tennessee to kill a buck, especailly a good buck than it is KY after the first week of gun season.


So by the first week in December bucks in TN are nocturnal? Well of course they are! But by that time, if you're an MZ hunter too, you've had a full month of firearms hunting time. I would much rather have a month of firearms hunting time than the few days it takes the bucks to be nocturnal in KY. You've just made my point!

Each of us can only comment on the conditions we experience where we hunt. You made the comment that changes in the length of MZ and gun seasons you want wouldn't harm anyone's hunting experience. I strongly disagree, and obviously, so do many others. I would much rather have the 3-4 weeks it takes TN bucks in my area to get pressured into being totally nocturnal than the 48 hours it takes them to be totally nocturnal that I have experienced in KY.

Now if I hunted a high-pressure area in TN that looks more like KY's gun opener (and those areas do exist in TN), then I would probably feel differently. But I don't hunt those areas, for a reason.
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#2849594 - 06/12/12 02:15 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Winchester]
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I love this area BSK and have hunted portions of it and close to it. A GREAT place to deer hunt in TN!


I would be curious to know where in that area you've hunted. If you know where to look in the first picture--way off in the background--you can see my place.
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#2849600 - 06/12/12 02:18 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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Not all of us are blessed with what you have BSK. We have to hunt public land or private land that is pounded on all sides. No sense in a 2 month gun season. So many do not realize what a difference it would make in giving the deer a rest. You want to share a couple of spots you have that do not get hunted hard as you say? I will gladly take you up. I hunt in many different counties on private and public land and it is amazing how I have heard that "no one hunts there, not much pressure, etc." only to show up and not only do the areas get hunted they get hammered. Got invited to hunt Giles co last year. Does were eating the farmer out of house and home was the story. The farmer said kill them all. Amount of sign was unbelievable. 5 of us hunted. Nice cold day. I killed the only deer seen, a small doe. Come to find out around it was getting pounded on all sides by surrounding hunters. The deer in Tennessee get pressured beyond belief and it gets worse and worse every year.

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#2849604 - 06/12/12 02:24 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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And since the "full month of hunting" was implemented, I have noticed them becoming nocturnal even before then. Have not seen any chasing to speak of in a few years. I say the heat has much to do with that, but the full month of gun pressure is crazy. I am guessing before long, if you have killed a good buck by mid November then it will basically be over. For those who don't I hunt some portion of every single day of every season in Tennessee (except for the few days I have hunted KY the last couple years) and last year was my absolute worst year in my lifetime of hunting. Every year there is more and more pressure from more hunters which is a great thing in my opinion, but to have more and more pressure every year and leave our gun season at 2 months is not biologically smart.
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#2849616 - 06/12/12 02:45 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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Not all of us are blessed with what you have BSK.


I am blessed, but at the same time, I chose my hunting areas wisely. And as others have pointed out, they do to. If you don't like where you're hunting in TN, find another spot. Lots of hunters do it.


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So many do not realize what a difference it would make in giving the deer a rest.


If you're "giving the deer a rest" that means you're not hunting them. What good is giving them rest going to do if you can't hunt them?


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You want to share a couple of spots you have that do not get hunted hard as you say?


Huge sections of the western and eastern Highland Rim areas can be found without intense hunting pressure. The Eastern mountains receive very little pressure compared to other parts of the state.


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The deer in Tennessee get pressured beyond belief and it gets worse and worse every year.


I've seen nothing to indicate the deer in TN get pressured more than the deer in other states. Good hunting land is a much sought after commodity these days, in every state.
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#2849619 - 06/12/12 02:47 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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And since the "full month of hunting" was implemented, I have noticed them becoming nocturnal even before then. Have not seen any chasing to speak of in a few years.


Every year is different and every location is different. Two years ago, we didn't see a single chase all year. Yet at my cousins' property just a few miles down the road, they saw the most chasing they've ever seen.

Last year, we saw some of the best chasing in a long time, and my cousins saw zilch.

Every year is different. Each location will have good years and bad years.
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#2849620 - 06/12/12 02:49 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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I love this area BSK and have hunted portions of it and close to it. A GREAT place to deer hunt in TN!


I would be curious to know where in that area you've hunted. If you know where to look in the first picture--way off in the background--you can see my place.

BSK, a good friend of mine had a family member that owned some land there. I was invited a few times. This has been several years back as well. I will get his name and see if you know him?

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#2849625 - 06/12/12 02:56 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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Not all of us are blessed with what you have BSK. We have to hunt public land or private land that is pounded on all sides. No sense in a 2 month gun season. So many do not realize what a difference it would make in giving the deer a rest. You want to share a couple of spots you have that do not get hunted hard as you say? I will gladly take you up. I hunt in many different counties on private and public land and it is amazing how I have heard that "no one hunts there, not much pressure, etc." only to show up and the deer in Tennessee get pressured beyond belief and it gets worse and worse every year.


Pressure is all relative, but even on the hardest hit areas of TN public land, 90% of the hunters never walk more than a half mile from a access point, never more than 100 yards from a trail and most of those only hunt opening weekends. While public land may be more popular than it was say 10 years ago (economy, loss of free hunting land, lease prices), hunter numbers continue to decline and TN does not have near the hunter density per square mile of many Midwestern states.
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#2849628 - 06/12/12 03:02 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Poser]
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BSK,

With the size of the deer herd in TN, how many deer should be killed each year to maintain the current size of the herd? Also, how many deer are we killing each year?
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#2849631 - 06/12/12 03:06 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Beekeeper]
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BSK,

With the size of the deer herd in TN, how many deer should be killed each year to maintain the current size of the herd? Also, how many deer are we killing each year?


We kill about 160,000 deer each season. -don't know the other info.
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#2849690 - 06/12/12 04:06 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Poser]
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BSK,

With the size of the deer herd in TN, how many deer should be killed each year to maintain the current size of the herd? Also, how many deer are we killing each year?


We kill about 160,000 deer each season. -don't know the other info.


We're killing about 80,000 antlered bucks and around 160,000 total deer fairly consistantly from year to year. A couple more years of good thermal image census data by the TWRA should give them I good idea if that is too many or not enough. I know in some areas, herd density is slowly increasing after the '07 EHD die-off, even with the current harvest levels. However, if I'm not mistaken, the latest thermal image numbers suggested some areas of the state were not at optimal deer numbers (or at least not as high as suspected before the census technique became available). But that's a question for BBG to answer.
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#2849727 - 06/12/12 04:51 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: BSK]
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BSK,

With the size of the deer herd in TN, how many deer should be killed each year to maintain the current size of the herd? Also, how many deer are we killing each year?


We kill about 160,000 deer each season. -don't know the other info.


We're killing about 80,000 antlered bucks and around 160,000 total deer fairly consistantly from year to year. A couple more years of good thermal image census data by the TWRA should give them I good idea if that is too many or not enough. I know in some areas, herd density is slowly increasing after the '07 EHD die-off, even with the current harvest levels. However, if I'm not mistaken, the latest thermal image numbers suggested some areas of the state were not at optimal deer numbers (or at least not as high as suspected before the census technique became available). But that's a question for BBG to answer.
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#2850792 - 06/14/12 05:13 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Beekeeper]
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Making a statement about setting buck limits or length of gun season based on a hunters experience with a few Tn. Counties over a few years is like trying to fix the US economy by regulating gas prices to 1.00 per gallon. That will be GREAT for some of us, but in the long run, it does NOT fix the US economy.

I have been fortunate enough in the past 30 years to not only have been able to hunt across state from Polk County to Hickman County, but also in Alabama, N.C., Ky, Ga., and Illinois. Mostly on Public, high pressured land, but also a little private land sprinkled in the mix.

Not only are the areas different county by county, let alone State to State, but these counties can be dramatically different from one side of the road to the other. IT has literally taken me YEARS of note keeping, scouting, and hunting to find the "golden" spots. It has not been easy.

But in all this, there are a few things of which I am certain...

1-CONSISTENT success, year in and year out, is MOSTLY about one's ability to KNOW what areas to begin looking at and then scouting. Rather than trying to change state or local laws, that ultimately will do nothing to improve overall success rates, hunters should adapt to changing conditions, pressures, weather, and GEOGRAPHY. Kinda like deer do, in order to be CONSISTENTLY successful. HUNT THEM WHERE THEY ARE! Rather than trying to grow them where they are not, and probably will not be in your life.

2-I have been to Ky. and heard "the Fourth of July" opener. AND IN ILLINOIS. All I can say is...VERY IMPRESSIVE. UN BELIEVABLE. I actually feel sorry for the deer. (and the hunters). That first day there is not a minute that goes by without a shot being fired. Deer go nocturnal as do squirrels, turkeys and even ticks. It is simply amazing.

In areas that I frequent I have never witnessed anything as drastic in Tennessee. Deer in Tennessee do get to be much more difficult to see, but not like Ky., and Illinois.
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#2850795 - 06/14/12 05:33 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 102]
Beekeeper
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 Originally Posted By: 102
Making a statement about setting buck limits or length of gun season based on a hunters experience with a few Tn. Counties over a few years is like trying to fix the US economy by regulating gas prices to 1.00 per gallon. That will be GREAT for some of us, but in the long run, it does NOT fix the US economy.

I have been fortunate enough in the past 30 years to not only have been able to hunt across state from Polk County to Hickman County, but also in Alabama, N.C., Ky, Ga., and Illinois. Mostly on Public, high pressured land, but also a little private land sprinkled in the mix.

Not only are the areas different county by county, let alone State to State, but these counties can be dramatically different from one side of the road to the other. IT has literally taken me YEARS of note keeping, scouting, and hunting to find the "golden" spots. It has not been easy.

But in all this, there are a few things of which I am certain...

1-CONSISTENT success, year in and year out, is MOSTLY about one's ability to KNOW what areas to begin looking at and then scouting. Rather than trying to change state or local laws, that ultimately will do nothing to improve overall success rates, hunters should adapt to changing conditions, pressures, weather, and GEOGRAPHY. Kinda like deer do, in order to be CONSISTENTLY successful. HUNT THEM WHERE THEY ARE! Rather than trying to grow them where they are not, and probably will not be in your life.

2-I have been to Ky. and heard "the Fourth of July" opener. AND IN ILLINOIS. All I can say is...VERY IMPRESSIVE. UN BELIEVABLE. I actually feel sorry for the deer. (and the hunters). That first day there is not a minute that goes by without a shot being fired. Deer go nocturnal as do squirrels, turkeys and even ticks. It is simply amazing.

In areas that I frequent I have never witnessed anything as drastic in Tennessee. Deer in Tennessee do get to be much more difficult to see, but not like Ky., and Illinois.

Good Post, 102.
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#2850819 - 06/14/12 06:50 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Beekeeper]
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102, less than a week after gun season closes where we hunt in KY (and it is just like you said, a war) the deer start showing back up. In Tennessee it happens also, but we shut our deer down for 2 months. I have hunted in different states and in many different areas and conditions. I have helped cull does in many places. Gun pressure affects deer to some extent and it will even make does go nocturnal and be ultra wary. I am not against gun hunting in anyway, I love it. I spend way to much money on guns, reloading and optics, but anyone can see the effect and a long gun season is not good for anything other than pressuring deer. Much of Tennessee just seeing deer gets difficult after the first of December. I do not care about other states or care to be like them, but I believe we would nothing but benefit by giving the deer a rest.

I know you are the world's greatest hunter and you can kill any buck you want anytime you want, I get it. Not everyone is like a legend like you are. With the number of hunters and the pressure on the deer some kind of a rest cannot be bad. I would much rather have a shorter season where deer are visible than a 2 month season that is useless for 90 percent of it.


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#2850823 - 06/14/12 06:58 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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As far as what you say about growing them where they are not and will never be, guess what there are 1-1/2 year old 130, 140, 150" deer showing up each year (I say 1-1/2 because you keep saying age will not help Tennessee deer, which is BS). How old do you think those better deer are and did not age help? These better deer that are showing up are because they are being allowed to live. It is amazing how a buck that is alive grows antlers whereas a dead buck does not. I know you don't believe that but it really happens. I do not care what anyone shoots, but so many young bucks never get a chance because of our limits and so many will not kill a doe.
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#2850848 - 06/14/12 07:40 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Headhunter
less than a week after gun season closes where we hunt in KY (and it is just like you said, a war) the deer start showing back up. In Tennessee it happens also, but we shut our deer down for 2 months.
It depends on where you hunt and how you hunt. I have seen just as many deer in the middle of Dec. as I have seen the first part of Nov. I don’t hunt agricultural land but instead I hunt thick cove 90% of the time and this makes a difference as to whether or not deer will disappear. If you are hunting mainly big fields and open land try changing where you hunt when deer become wary of the fields.
Deer don't just leave an area and they don’t totally quit moving in the daylight, sometimes they just move to thicker cover.
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#2850872 - 06/14/12 08:17 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Headhunter
I believe we would nothing but benefit by giving the deer a rest.



the deer get a rest from jan through late september.
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#2850994 - 06/14/12 10:09 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 102]
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 Originally Posted By: 102



1-CONSISTENT success, year in and year out, is MOSTLY about one's ability to KNOW what areas to begin looking at and then scouting. Rather than trying to change state or local laws, that ultimately will do nothing to improve overall success rates, hunters should adapt to changing conditions, pressures, weather, and GEOGRAPHY. Kinda like deer do, in order to be CONSISTENTLY successful. HUNT THEM WHERE THEY ARE! Rather than trying to grow them where they are not, and probably will not be in your life.



Like.
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#2851038 - 06/14/12 10:46 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 102]
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 Originally Posted By: 102
Making a statement about setting buck limits or length of gun season based on a hunters experience with a few Tn. Counties over a few years is like trying to fix the US economy by regulating gas prices to 1.00 per gallon. That will be GREAT for some of us, but in the long run, it does NOT fix the US economy.

I have been fortunate enough in the past 30 years to not only have been able to hunt across state from Polk County to Hickman County, but also in Alabama, N.C., Ky, Ga., and Illinois. Mostly on Public, high pressured land, but also a little private land sprinkled in the mix.

Not only are the areas different county by county, let alone State to State, but these counties can be dramatically different from one side of the road to the other. IT has literally taken me YEARS of note keeping, scouting, and hunting to find the "golden" spots. It has not been easy.

But in all this, there are a few things of which I am certain...

1-CONSISTENT success, year in and year out, is MOSTLY about one's ability to KNOW what areas to begin looking at and then scouting. Rather than trying to change state or local laws, that ultimately will do nothing to improve overall success rates, hunters should adapt to changing conditions, pressures, weather, and GEOGRAPHY. Kinda like deer do, in order to be CONSISTENTLY successful. HUNT THEM WHERE THEY ARE! Rather than trying to grow them where they are not, and probably will not be in your life.

2-I have been to Ky. and heard "the Fourth of July" opener. AND IN ILLINOIS. All I can say is...VERY IMPRESSIVE. UN BELIEVABLE. I actually feel sorry for the deer. (and the hunters). That first day there is not a minute that goes by without a shot being fired. Deer go nocturnal as do squirrels, turkeys and even ticks. It is simply amazing.

In areas that I frequent I have never witnessed anything as drastic in Tennessee. Deer in Tennessee do get to be much more difficult to see, but not like Ky., and Illinois.



102
How many mature (4.5+) bucks have you killed in the last five years?
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#2851059 - 06/14/12 11:06 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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Thank you there, Beekeeper, I have never thought of hunting a thick area. New idea there, LOL.
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#2851063 - 06/14/12 11:10 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Bone Collector]
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#2851143 - 06/14/12 12:45 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Headhunter
Thank you there, Beekeeper, I have never thought of hunting a thick area. New idea there, LOL.
After reading your posts I was wondering if you knew to adapt to the deers movement or you just hope that the deer would adapt to your chosen method of hunting!!
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#2851190 - 06/14/12 01:42 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Beekeeper]
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How long have you hunted and how many deer have you killed in Tennessee? How many (let's say just nice bucks because that is all I have killed) nice bucks have you killed in Tennessee? I definitely have no care or desire to brag in anyway, but I believe real experience and kills are something to consider when asking or giving advice. I know I am far from one of the better deer hunters, but I am PERSISTENT.

Funny thing is, I used to believe, with even more conviction than anyone on here, the way that everyone does who is against a lower limit or a shorter season. In my younger days, I would have argued, anywhere at anytime, against anyone who wanted to try to tell me a shorter season or a lower limit would be a good thing.


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#2851198 - 06/14/12 02:08 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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All my bucks were nice, to me anyway. ;\)
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#2851246 - 06/14/12 03:05 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Headhunter
In my younger days, I would have argued, anywhere at anytime, against anyone who wanted to try to tell me a shorter season or a lower limit would be a good thing.
What was the basis for your strong opinion back then (your previous way of thinking)? I am assuming that you must have felt pretty good/strongly about something back then (pertaining to deer hunting, seasons, limits, etc) to make you argue that point, just as you feel strongly today about the reduced limit, shorter season preference that you desire. What changed your mind to make you do a complete 180 and have a change of heart in what you desire in the deer woods (length of season, limits, etc)? For lack of a better explanation, I am trying to understand why/how one day you push(ed) for agenda A and now you are totally against agenda A and now you support agenda B to the fullest. Please explain.
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#2851290 - 06/14/12 04:03 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: gatodoc]
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60% for two or less. This is trending more conservatively every year here on TNdeer as well as "off the net". I think we could agree on that.
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#2851297 - 06/14/12 04:10 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Headhunter
How long have you hunted and how many deer have you killed in Tennessee? How many (let's say just nice bucks because that is all I have killed) nice bucks have you killed in Tennessee?
I have hunted for about 40 years. I didn't start hunting til I was in my late teens. I didn't have a mentor so what I learned in the first years I learned by myself. I didn't kill a deer til 1977 but since that time I have killed over 150 all of them in East Tennessee. Every deer I have killed was special to me. When I quit getting the adrenalin rush and the sweaty hands when I get a chance to kill a deer I will probably find something else to do with my time and money.

I have never cared about the size of the antlers on a deer and I have mounted only one of the 150+ I have killed. I have given a lot of antlers away and I have a lot just laying around. I hunt because I enjoy hunting not to try and prove anything to any one. I see the mounts you have as a tremendous wast of money and wall space but if you enjoy them it is your business, not anyone else.

When I started deer hunting I only had 2 weeks to hunt. Now I get to hunt 8 or more weeks and I like it!!!
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#2851395 - 06/14/12 07:23 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Beekeeper]
102
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 Originally Posted By: Beekeeper
 Originally Posted By: Headhunter
How long have you hunted and how many deer have you killed in Tennessee? How many (let's say just nice bucks because that is all I have killed) nice bucks have you killed in Tennessee?
I have hunted for about 40 years. I didn't start hunting til I was in my late teens. I didn't have a mentor so what I learned in the first years I learned by myself. I didn't kill a deer til 1977 but since that time I have killed over 150 all of them in East Tennessee. Every deer I have killed was special to me. When I quit getting the adrenalin rush and the sweaty hands when I get a chance to kill a deer I will probably find something else to do with my time and money.

I have never cared about the size of the antlers on a deer and I have mounted only one of the 150+ I have killed. I have given a lot of antlers away and I have a lot just laying around. I hunt because I enjoy hunting not to try and prove anything to any one. I see the mounts you have as a tremendous wast of money and wall space but if you enjoy them it is your business, not anyone else.

When I started deer hunting I only had 2 weeks to hunt. Now I get to hunt 8 or more weeks and I like it!!!


Honestly, this EXACT reason is why I will NOT support a change in the TWRA limits UNLESS TWRA decides that it is for the good of the herd. Or has proof that a lowered buck limit is what the majority of Tn hunters want. Not just a few members on the best campfire on the net.

Well said beekeeper, I believe you agree with the majority of hunters I have spoken with in Tennessee.

I selfishly would like to see lower limits, but not at the expense of a majority of hunter participation, and enjoyment.



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#2851398 - 06/14/12 07:28 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
102
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8 points or better wrote:

102
How many mature (4.5+) bucks have you killed in the last five years? [/quote]

I am not sure why this matters. But I am sure you can do a search and find them somewhere on here. There are a few pictures floating around.

If you ask because you sincerely want to know, and would like to discuss the area that you hunt for tips and possible ideas that may help you, then PM me and we'll visit on the net.

Otherwise, it is too much chest thumping for no reason and little good will come of it.

102
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#2851410 - 06/14/12 07:56 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Headhunter
102, less than a week after gun season closes where we hunt in KY (and it is just like you said, a war) the deer start showing back up. In Tennessee it happens also, but we shut our deer down for 2 months. I have hunted in different states and in many different areas and conditions. I have helped cull does in many places. Gun pressure affects deer to some extent and it will even make does go nocturnal and be ultra wary. I am not against gun hunting in anyway, I love it. I spend way to much money on guns, reloading and optics, but anyone can see the effect and a long gun season is not good for anything other than pressuring deer. Much of Tennessee just seeing deer gets difficult after the first of December. I do not care about other states or care to be like them, but I believe we would nothing but benefit by giving the deer a rest.

I know you are the world's greatest hunter and you can kill any buck you want anytime you want, I get it. Not everyone is like a legend like you are. With the number of hunters and the pressure on the deer some kind of a rest cannot be bad. I would much rather have a shorter season where deer are visible than a 2 month season that is useless for 90 percent of it.
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HH,
You are too kind. Such flattery. Your kindness and charming personality are exceeded ONLY by your good looks and EXTREME intelligence. And yet, we barely know each other. And already you have picked up on my prowess in the deer woods. How insightful of you.

Seriously though, if hunters could just understand how there are deer, SMALL in body and ANTLER size, that are tremendous trophies in some circles. For example, the Coues deer. And at one time, the Key deer.

Similarly, hunters who wish to fill their tags with trophy caliber animals should understand that in certain areas of the country, a real trophy may be a 3.5 year old 6 point that has survived 3 hunting seasons, countless hunter encounters, and vehicle traffic. I often find these high pressured public deer MUCH more difficult to pattern and arrow than their rut crazed, northern, older counterparts.
Does degree of difficulty make the hunt, and therfore the kill, more of a challenge?
If so, does it not make sense then, that it should also make a worthy trophy?

Isn't a trophy MORE than just a score sheet and a set of horns?

Isn't the degree of difficulty, and the success rate for any hunter with that degree of difficulty deer have more to do with skill level than antler score?

In no way, in ANY face to face discussion with another hunter, would I EVER suggest that putting age on a buck would not improve his odds at growing more bone. But I will say that it is not certain that the older buck WILL grow more bone IF the other needs are not met as well.

And I will ALWAYS say, that older deer, ESPECIALLY in PUBLIC hunting areas, will be HARDER to see, and KILL.

102
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#2851416 - 06/14/12 08:04 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 102]
8 POINTS OR BETTER
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 Originally Posted By: 102
 Originally Posted By: 8 points or better


102
How many mature (4.5+) bucks have you killed in the last five years?


I am not sure why this matters. But I am sure you can do a search and find them somewhere on here. There are a few pictures floating around.

If you ask because you sincerely want to know, and would like to discuss the area that you hunt for tips and possible ideas that may help you, then PM me and we'll visit on the net.

Otherwise, it is too much chest thumping for no reason and little good will come of it.

102



 Originally Posted By: 102


But in all this, there are a few things of which I am certain...

1-CONSISTENT success, year in and year out, is MOSTLY about one's ability to KNOW what areas to begin looking at and then scouting. Rather than trying to change state or local laws, that ultimately will do nothing to improve overall success rates, hunters should adapt to changing conditions, pressures, weather, and GEOGRAPHY. Kinda like deer do, in order to be CONSISTENTLY successful. HUNT THEM WHERE THEY ARE! Rather than trying to grow them where they are not, and probably will not be in your life.




This is why I ask. You tell everyone what it takes to be consistent at killing mature bucks, but are you able to do it yourself.

How many mature bucks have you killed in the last five years? Are you doing it consistently (every year)?

I sincerely want to know because if you are killing mature bucks every year, I will listen to what you have to say. If your not killing them every year then your just blowing smoke up everyone's rear, trying to tell them how its done.
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#2851456 - 06/14/12 09:01 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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I may be mistaken, but there are not any Keys or Coues deer in Tennessee. I would love to hunt either one and be dang proud to kill one from all I have read about them. Tennessee has potential, so much no one even realizes. Quite a few are already here, but hunting vampires sure is tough.
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#2851462 - 06/14/12 09:10 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
 Originally Posted By: 102
 Originally Posted By: 8 points or better


102
How many mature (4.5+) bucks have you killed in the last five years?


I am not sure why this matters. But I am sure you can do a search and find them somewhere on here. There are a few pictures floating around.

If you ask because you sincerely want to know, and would like to discuss the area that you hunt for tips and possible ideas that may help you, then PM me and we'll visit on the net.

Otherwise, it is too much chest thumping for no reason and little good will come of it.

102



 Originally Posted By: 102


But in all this, there are a few things of which I am certain...

1-CONSISTENT success, year in and year out, is MOSTLY about one's ability to KNOW what areas to begin looking at and then scouting. Rather than trying to change state or local laws, that ultimately will do nothing to improve overall success rates, hunters should adapt to changing conditions, pressures, weather, and GEOGRAPHY. Kinda like deer do, in order to be CONSISTENTLY successful. HUNT THEM WHERE THEY ARE! Rather than trying to grow them where they are not, and probably will not be in your life.




This is why I ask. You tell everyone what it takes to be consistent at killing mature bucks, but are you able to do it yourself.

How many mature bucks have you killed in the last five years? Are you doing it consistently (every year)?

I sincerely want to know because if you are killing mature bucks every year, I will listen to what you have to say. If your not killing them every year then your just blowing smoke up everyone's rear, trying to tell them how its done.


Let's say, for the sake of argument, that 102 does not kill mature bucks every year (honestly, I couldn't tell you if he has or not, but I do highly respect his opinion and skill level). This being the case, do you deny that consistent success on mature bucks in TN is about one's ability to identify where mature bucks are and hunt them appropriately? Do you then conclude that the best way to kill mature bucks consistently is to lobby for a change in state and local laws?
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#2851478 - 06/14/12 09:34 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Poser]
8 POINTS OR BETTER
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 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
 Originally Posted By: 102
 Originally Posted By: 8 points or better


102
How many mature (4.5+) bucks have you killed in the last five years?


I am not sure why this matters. But I am sure you can do a search and find them somewhere on here. There are a few pictures floating around.

If you ask because you sincerely want to know, and would like to discuss the area that you hunt for tips and possible ideas that may help you, then PM me and we'll visit on the net.

Otherwise, it is too much chest thumping for no reason and little good will come of it.

102



 Originally Posted By: 102


But in all this, there are a few things of which I am certain...

1-CONSISTENT success, year in and year out, is MOSTLY about one's ability to KNOW what areas to begin looking at and then scouting. Rather than trying to change state or local laws, that ultimately will do nothing to improve overall success rates, hunters should adapt to changing conditions, pressures, weather, and GEOGRAPHY. Kinda like deer do, in order to be CONSISTENTLY successful. HUNT THEM WHERE THEY ARE! Rather than trying to grow them where they are not, and probably will not be in your life.




This is why I ask. You tell everyone what it takes to be consistent at killing mature bucks, but are you able to do it yourself.

How many mature bucks have you killed in the last five years? Are you doing it consistently (every year)?

I sincerely want to know because if you are killing mature bucks every year, I will listen to what you have to say. If your not killing them every year then your just blowing smoke up everyone's rear, trying to tell them how its done.


Let's say, for the sake of argument, that 102 does not kill mature bucks every year (honestly, I couldn't tell you if he has or not, but I do highly respect his opinion and skill level). This being the case, do you deny that consistent success on mature bucks in TN is about one's ability to identify where mature bucks are and hunt them appropriately? Do you then conclude that the best way to kill mature bucks consistently is to lobby for a change in state and local laws?





You definitely have to hunt mature bucks were they are at.

And if we lowered the buck limit there would be more mature bucks in the herd. The more mature bucks in the herd, the more mature bucks hunters will kill.
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#2851576 - 06/15/12 06:05 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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8 points,
Asking me how many mature bucks I have killed in the past 5 seasons is probably not a good reference or standard to either what my skill level is, or degree of difficulty in hunting mature bucks. I have purposely added a bow to the mix to make it not only more challenging, but also enjoyable. My first deer in 1981, and my 200th kill last year were all with a bow. I have not used a gun in years. Had I been carrying a gun, several of the mature bucks out of bow shot might have had a different day.
Also, I chose to hunt mostly public land. Not because I can't afford private, but because I enjoy moving around from County to County and State to State.
But I do have one advantage most don't enjoy, TIME. I hunt a bunch each year. If I did not, I would probably be REALLY FAT and out of shape, instead of just being fat. For the past several years I have averaged about 4 hunts (sits on stand) per kill. Last year I sat on stand 48 times.

In (January) of 2010, I took a couple of my best bucks to meet TWRA's Ben Layton, in Crossville (I think). He scored them for me. Both were over 4.5. One is in the Registry with a pic from Hamilton County in 2009. The other was from 2006 or 07, can't remember off the top of my head and too lazy to look it up. I had not had any others scored at that point and was disappointed to find out how the scoring system worked. (deductions for not having symetry? Are you kidding?) It takes a WHOLE BUNCH of antler, or a lot of side to side perfection to score over 150).
That trip to Crossville was a turning point for me. After having those two scored, I realized that I would most likely never kill a bigger buck. Even in Southern Illinois. Especially in Tennessee. I had hit the Lottery.
So I took the lesson on how to score deer, home with me that day. And scored my other bucks. I have at least 2 more that will book P/Y. And one more that is too close for me to say for sure. In 2010, it cost 35 dollars per P/Y entry. I have spent too much on mounts and already 70 dollars on P/Y entry fees. That is enough.
Since that day in 2010, and since the hunting season of 2009, I have become more relaxed. I now hunt with MUCH less intensity than before. I don't pay nearly the attention to scent as I once did. I simply watch the wind and try not to touch anything in the woods. I also scout in Jan-March. Not anywhere near the season. And from the road where possible. I also am much more willing to take that 3.5 year old 115 inch buck in an area where I know P/Y bucks exist because I just feel like it at the time. Not because I am trophy hunting. Though I may regret it as a P/Y shows up under my stand later while on a meat hunt.

But it is all good. In fact, great. I never really set out to be a "trophy" hunter. Just a hunter who enjoyed family, fellowship and the experience.

So to re-phrase your question, if I may, how many mature bucks have I killed in the 5 years prior to 2010 season (2005-2009)? 5 for sure, one questionable ("tweener" probably) and I put my son on a GREAT buck last season he got to arrow that was a GREAT representative for that part of Tennessee. And i must also mention the one that still pains me today because I MISSED. As of this date, he is the biggest buck that I have missed. He was a good one.

I patterned him for two days after having found his sign the January before. He was DIALED in to this ridge side in a honeysuckle patch. I waited for the wind, moved in one morning before daylight and waited. Just after day break I caught movement under the canopy of yellow maple leaves as his legs were carrying him to bed. At 27 yards he stepped into an opening as I bleated him to stop. My arrow hit him RIGHT in the ball socket of his right front leg. It was not a shot that killed him anytime soon. I never found him. I doubt I killed him.
Seems that some misses I remember better than some kills. I think they affect me more. That would have been a GREAT, mature trophy. I am sure he was P/Y. I think that was in 2007.

I don't want to do too much chest thumping here. Many will read this and take it for what it is worth. Others will criticize and question. My attitude is to answer you in a public way because you need me to give you something that gives me "credibility". Hopefully this will. If it does not, then so be it. In the end, it really does not matter. We are just two.

But trust me when I say this. There are huntable numbers of mature, old, bucks available RIGHT now all over Tennessee. But they are NOT EVERYWHERE we hunt. they are migrant, changing, very hard to predict, and extremely good at evading man.
A hunter would be smart to adjust his expectations to fit not only what is a good representative for the area in which he hunts, but also his wallet, his skill set, and most importantly, his time.

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#2851611 - 06/15/12 07:35 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 102]
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Thanks for the response 102. I respect that you have got it done with a stick and string.
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#2851791 - 06/15/12 12:34 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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Andy, my opinion has changed because of what I have seen in Tennessee.
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#2851794 - 06/15/12 12:36 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Headhunter]
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OK. What have you seen?
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#2851949 - 06/15/12 06:02 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Andy S.]
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I know one guy who kills bigger deer than everyone in my county. He has an 80 acre lease. Is he a great deer hunter? Personally id call him average but he spends most all of m/l and rifle season hunting. I asked him one day why he thought he killed so many big bucks. He said "i dont shoot them when they are young". True that!
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#2852152 - 06/16/12 06:56 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Poser]
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alrighty then...
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#2852153 - 06/16/12 07:03 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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big bucks are taken every year by novice hunters.....it's just the law of averages, I guess.

I showed , without doubt, that time in the stand is pretty crucial to success in taking larger deer.....anyone that does not hunt all day during the chase and rut phases is not a seriuos deer hunter...imo. The second rut can be just as productive...Midday can be great...!

Unless deer are in feed mode and they are prefrring one certain food source, random sightings are the norm. if they are feeding heavily and not disturbed, you can set a watch by them....even mature deer, so it takes very little effort and skill to kill them...imo.

Killing mature deer in chase mode and during the rut is more luck than most other times....Deer may leave an area completely or simply move so randomly that patterning them is impossible....

At this time, you may only get one chance at a certain buck. If you are not in the stand , then you will not succeed...pretty simple, huh?

I prefer to leave certain areas ALONE until the rut starts.....or at least , until they start chasing abit. I like to keep an area CLEAN until then.....I have seen bucks trying to corral does and push them toward areas they prefer to be. This tells me that bucks know where they are less likely to be disturbed by man and these are the places they want to herd the doe to....If you stay out of certain thickets, deer will gravitate to them when the time is right...Set up a satnd well before the season and stay out of that area until the chasing begins, then sneak in there early and stay all day...I rarely hunt pre-rut, rut and post rut in the same places.

good luck..


Edited by Bottom Hunter (06/16/12 07:09 AM)
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#2852170 - 06/16/12 07:36 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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good post BH
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#2852518 - 06/17/12 07:49 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: smstone22]
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 Originally Posted By: smstone22
60% for two or less. This is trending more conservatively every year here on TNdeer as well as "off the net". I think we could agree on that.


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#2852527 - 06/17/12 08:00 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
 Originally Posted By: smstone22
60% for two or less. This is trending more conservatively every year here on TNdeer as well as "off the net". I think we could agree on that.
yep
Another way to interpret these votes is most hunters are already killing 2 or less bucks each year any way (by choice, not by mandate). If they were not, they surely would not vote for a more conservative buck limit and you would not hear about this more conservative approach amongst your circle of friends/hunters. Think about it.


Edited by Andy S. (06/17/12 08:01 AM)
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#2852577 - 06/17/12 09:47 AM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: Andy S.]
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I really have no need to kill more than 1 or 2 bucks each season....sometimes none.

If I want meat, I kill does. If I want a mount, I wait on something worth mounting, imo.

I would like to see a day when I go deering hunting and consistently see more bucks than does....Sure, somedays I go hunting and only see a couple of bucks and no does, but on average, throughout the season, my doe sightings well outnumber the buck sightings. Does, other than their their ATTRACTING ability , are useless to me and somewhat annoying, most times.

When that day comes, I believe that I will bring home the biggest buck of my career...

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#2852977 - 06/17/12 08:37 PM Re: Poll on deer hunting activity [Re: fourwheeler431]
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