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#2835597 - 05/23/12 06:53 AM 4th highest harvest recorded
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Despite all of the crazy and unusual things many of us witnessed this spring, hunters across the state did pretty good in the turkey woods. Link here tells more.

http://news.tn.gov/node/8865
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#2835713 - 05/23/12 08:55 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: ]
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Maury County again was the top county with 1,036 birds harvest up from the 2011 total of 949.

yup..... that's why I love hunting there
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#2835812 - 05/23/12 10:20 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: catman529]
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#2836069 - 05/23/12 03:23 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Gravey]
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wow and thats not counting the 17 i didnt reports...shhhhhhhh













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#2836142 - 05/23/12 05:08 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: REN]
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The article says they are happy with the harvest numbers which i think is sad. Hunting here blows compared to ten years ago. dont get me wrong u can still kill em but man was it fun to hear 15 a morning.
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#2836245 - 05/23/12 08:25 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: muddyboots]
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2 bird limit and no fall hunting for 5-6 years might help spread em back out and populate better.
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#2836337 - 05/23/12 09:35 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: muddyboots]
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 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
The article says they are happy with the harvest numbers which i think is sad. Hunting here blows compared to ten years ago. dont get me wrong u can still kill em but man was it fun to hear 15 a morning.


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#2836343 - 05/23/12 09:41 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: smstone22]
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I despise the very idea of fall hunting and shooting hens. However, I don't think enough birds are harvested to make a tinkers dam one way or the other. I tried it once, and thought it was a stretch to even consider it turkey hunting, there was no challenge to me in calling in a bird which has only been alive for a few months, and is desperate to find its friends.

Our turkey population is fine. I drive roughly 1000 miles per week, and see generally the same amount of birds year in and year out. However, some areas in this state should have had their regs adjusted following the freak weather events recently. Leaving the regs the same didn't make much sense to me, but then again I don't know all the details.

We probably don't have the birds that other states do, or have the birds we could if things were tweaked here and there. Overall, hunting in TN is very good on average, and could be a little better maybe with a little tweaking, and a little trigger management on the jakes.



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#2836417 - 05/24/12 12:38 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Setterman]
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Populations might be good elsewhere but lawrence county is desolate of turkeys ive seen more promise this year than the last 5 years but its kind of discouraging when i used to hear 10 or 15 birds a morning.
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#2836546 - 05/24/12 07:31 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: muddyboots]
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 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
The article says they are happy with the harvest numbers which i think is sad. Hunting here blows compared to ten years ago. dont get me wrong u can still kill em but man was it fun to hear 15 a morning.



WOW, an almost all time high for state population and people are still not happy with things.
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#2836555 - 05/24/12 07:42 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: REN]
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 Originally Posted By: REN
 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
The article says they are happy with the harvest numbers which i think is sad. Hunting here blows compared to ten years ago. dont get me wrong u can still kill em but man was it fun to hear 15 a morning.



WOW, an almost all time high for state population and people are still not happy with things.


Yea hard to be happy when on a typical morning 10 years ago hear average of 15 birds any morning. A great morning now would be 4. Im no biologist but something is different. To be honest they maybe easier to kill now but gosh when they are gobbling every direction it sure was fun.
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#2836600 - 05/24/12 08:35 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: REN]
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 Originally Posted By: REN
WOW, an almost all time high for state population and people are still not happy with things.
This is inevitable when an agency has to administer an area of 27 million acres and all of the self righteous hunters that it encompasses (not a slam on you Muddyboots or anyone else here, just a broad based opinion of the general public these days). Not being a horses rear, but REN, you are fortunate enough, based on your geographic location, to hunt some of the best turkey hunting counties in the entire state. I can see why you and other turkey hunters in your immediate area would be happy, regardless of the statewide regs or the statewide harvest. I bet if you were confined to turkey hunt in some of the less fortunate counties, say Tipton county where I live or even worse, Crockett county, your outlook would be much different, most likely much more bleak, and your opinion much more humble when listening/responding to others feedback. Just something to consider when replying to others opinions and observations of their turkey hunting experience while afield. Many of us do not reside in these mecca turkey hunting counties, as much as we wish we did during the spring. \:\)


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#2836685 - 05/24/12 09:58 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Andy S.]
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No worries Andy.
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#2836732 - 05/24/12 10:35 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: muddyboots]
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Andy, i understand what you are saying however there is no perfect world here. No matter who or how was incharge of the turkey population here there will be areas that are not going to support a large population of them. Even IL has places that are not so good for deer hunting.

my point is the state of TN as a whole is at an all time high population and ranked as one of the top states for turkey hunting and yet people still b!tch at the TWRA as if it is there fault Tipton County has had a few down years. Its not direct knock on muddyboots but good gosh we have an awesome state to hunt in and yet people still find a way to complain about it or blame it on TWRA, Coyotes or some other variable they are just guessing at.
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#2836748 - 05/24/12 10:49 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Rockhound]
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It was a good season for alot of hunters
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#2836761 - 05/24/12 11:13 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Lawrence]
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I would beleive my area would not support a large population of turkeys if it never had but ten years ago i would have put Hardin County Tennessee up against anywhere in the USA. Not so today. What changed? I dont know. I used to say it was the 4 bird limit but i have since dismissed that as now i see way more gobblers than hens. Ten years ago sitting in a fall bow stand it was a sight to see 150 hens going to roost. Maybe we had too many back then. Im just saying ten years ago there were alot and i mean alot more turkeys in my area than now. Im not complaining because i know regs will not be changed. Heck even our local wardens cant explain it. Ren im gonna guess the hunting in your area is what ours was ten years ago. Enjoy it man because it may not last forever.
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#2836789 - 05/24/12 12:05 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: muddyboots]
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Actually it's not what it was 10 years ago it is much less. However knowing population control and how many my areas can handle says how many I kill each year.

Maybe 10 years ago the population was to high for the habitat they had. As in bad years like this year you will have good years and every so often awesome years.

My point is no matter what it was or is some people will find something to cOmplain about. Your original post said it was "sad" for the TWRA to be happy with 4th best. Heck why shouldn't they be happy with that in an odd year like this year was.
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#2836791 - 05/24/12 12:07 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: muddyboots]
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 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
No worries Andy.
That comment was not directed at you at all, just wanted to make that clear for a second time. To better explain, I have a few buds I grew up with who slam TWRA every chance they get because turkey hunting in our parts is poor at best, or better yet, it is sub par from their personal expectations. They are some of the basis for my opinion and they are lifelong friends who just will not see the BIG picture. The BIG picture is the fact TWRA has to manage the State's wildlife on a macro scale, not my bud's 100 acres or my 22 acres, on a micro scale.
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#2836809 - 05/24/12 12:30 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Lawrence]
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 Originally Posted By: Lawrence
It was a good season for alot of hunters
Yes it was; a strange one for some, but a good one for many.


Edited by Andy S. (05/24/12 12:31 PM)
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#2836812 - 05/24/12 12:32 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Andy S.]
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Yea i didnt word it very well. I just have a problem when someone is satisfied with a result when it could be much better. I could be completely off base here. I guess its sad too me because i remember the good ole days of turkey hunting around my home.
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#2836884 - 05/24/12 01:56 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Setterman]
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
2 bird limit and no fall hunting for 5-6 years might help spread em back out and populate better.
maybe we need units like for deer season? because some areas seem to handle higher bag limits although 6/either sex for fall season does seem a bit excessive, as much as I love to shoot em in the fall. I think the generous fall limits have to do with the low amount of people who actually fall hunt....

 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I despise the very idea of fall hunting and shooting hens. However, I don't think enough birds are harvested to make a tinkers dam one way or the other. I tried it once, and thought it was a stretch to even consider it turkey hunting, there was no challenge to me in calling in a bird which has only been alive for a few months, and is desperate to find its friends.
you called in poults? \:D I heard quite a few last fall but called in and shot adult hens. Goal this year is a fall longbeard, because it's supposed to be a big challenge to call one in to the gun. But I will bushwhack one too. I don't think it's a stretch to call it turkey hunting, because if you are in the woods hunting turkeys, then wouldn't it be turkey hunting? I know what you're saying though... it's nothing like the spring. It's more of a meat hunt and I also like the chance to legally shoot more than 1 bird in a day, and go for those double or triple one-shot kills. Fall hunting is fun just in a much different way.
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#2836913 - 05/24/12 02:39 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: muddyboots]
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 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
Yea i didnt word it very well. I just have a problem when someone is satisfied with a result when it could be much better. I could be completely off base here. I guess its sad too me because i remember the good ole days of turkey hunting around my home.


You also need to look at how many hunter are in the woods today
It seems like everyone turkey hunts these days. I too remember those good ole days. It was nothhing in Mo. back in the 80's to see 350 or 400 birds in winter flocks
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#2836914 - 05/24/12 02:47 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: muddyboots]
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 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
I just have a problem when someone is satisfied with a result when it could be much better.


define much better and also define WHERE it would be better. I mean 4th highest ever recorded sounds pretty good to me considering the crazy winter and spring we had, not to add we were on schedule to break the record the first week or so.

I see people always reference the "old days" or "10 years ago" to the point it just gets old. Yes i remember it 10 years ago and yes it was awesome, however most dont consider that it was a anomaly year or sub set of years same as this spring was an anomaly when considering the weather and breeding season. Mother Nature has a way to ALWAYS even the playing field and given weather and things that have happened the past five years, from a biology standpoint TN has an awesome population. Heck we have areas that have turkeys now that never had them before. With the rise of deer and turkey populations every year a land mass can only contain so many at a given time. having 300-400 turkeys on a 500 acre area is NOT a healthy population most times it is an excessive one.

If you are more concerned with YOUR area then thats fine but trying to create rules or regs based on 1 1000 acres area or even a given county is not possible to really do. People say we need UNITS like deer however the life-cycle and population needs are not even the same between the 2 species not to mention other issues that Units still dont solve (and i am a modified Unit guy just FYI). You said you didnt believe the limits are the cause of the loss of turkys so what do you propose done to get the population back in your county??

Habitat always changes so no matter what you try the game we are after is still WILD and will do and go where it sees fit.


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#2836926 - 05/24/12 03:02 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
2 bird limit and no fall hunting for 5-6 years might help spread em back out and populate better.
maybe we need units like for deer season? because some areas seem to handle higher bag limits although 6/either sex for fall season does seem a bit excessive, as much as I love to shoot em in the fall. I think the generous fall limits have to do with the low amount of people who actually fall hunt....

 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I despise the very idea of fall hunting and shooting hens. However, I don't think enough birds are harvested to make a tinkers dam one way or the other. I tried it once, and thought it was a stretch to even consider it turkey hunting, there was no challenge to me in calling in a bird which has only been alive for a few months, and is desperate to find its friends.
you called in poults? \:D I heard quite a few last fall but called in and shot adult hens. Goal this year is a fall longbeard, because it's supposed to be a big challenge to call one in to the gun. But I will bushwhack one too. I don't think it's a stretch to call it turkey hunting, because if you are in the woods hunting turkeys, then wouldn't it be turkey hunting? I know what you're saying though... it's nothing like the spring. It's more of a meat hunt and I also like the chance to legally shoot more than 1 bird in a day, and go for those double or triple one-shot kills. Fall hunting is fun just in a much different way.


Shooting longbeards in the fall makes little sense to me as well. Why would I want to shoot a bird which in a few months will gobble/strut on its way to me, rather than slip in or get bushwhacked?

Fall hunting did nothing for me, and I thought it was stupid. Then again, I was raised in the south where turkeys are only meant to be hunted in the Spring, and only longbeards should be killed. We were taught that hens were sacred, and during the fall we hunted deer. Maybe it's a southern thing, I don't know. But fall hunting is not for me, and I don't see me ever supporting it, or participating in it ever again.

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#2836944 - 05/24/12 03:48 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Setterman]
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
2 bird limit and no fall hunting for 5-6 years might help spread em back out and populate better.
maybe we need units like for deer season? because some areas seem to handle higher bag limits although 6/either sex for fall season does seem a bit excessive, as much as I love to shoot em in the fall. I think the generous fall limits have to do with the low amount of people who actually fall hunt....

 Originally Posted By: Setterman
I despise the very idea of fall hunting and shooting hens. However, I don't think enough birds are harvested to make a tinkers dam one way or the other. I tried it once, and thought it was a stretch to even consider it turkey hunting, there was no challenge to me in calling in a bird which has only been alive for a few months, and is desperate to find its friends.
you called in poults? \:D I heard quite a few last fall but called in and shot adult hens. Goal this year is a fall longbeard, because it's supposed to be a big challenge to call one in to the gun. But I will bushwhack one too. I don't think it's a stretch to call it turkey hunting, because if you are in the woods hunting turkeys, then wouldn't it be turkey hunting? I know what you're saying though... it's nothing like the spring. It's more of a meat hunt and I also like the chance to legally shoot more than 1 bird in a day, and go for those double or triple one-shot kills. Fall hunting is fun just in a much different way.


Shooting longbeards in the fall makes little sense to me as well. Why would I want to shoot a bird which in a few months will gobble/strut on its way to me, rather than slip in or get bushwhacked?

Fall hunting did nothing for me, and I thought it was stupid. Then again, I was raised in the south where turkeys are only meant to be hunted in the Spring, and only longbeards should be killed. We were taught that hens were sacred, and during the fall we hunted deer. Maybe it's a southern thing, I don't know. But fall hunting is not for me, and I don't see me ever supporting it, or participating in it ever again.
Not sure if it's a southern thing, or a generational thing, but I got into turkey hunting all on my own so I wasn't raised to hunt them a certain way.

I've seen video of toms strutting in a winter flock in Marshall Co. in December a couple years ago before fall season was moved to October. I doubt they were gobbling but that's pretty cool to see them strut at that time of year. But I'm not looking for strutting and gobbling in the fall obviously, I am more looking for a different experience, and as always, more fresh wild turkey meat for the table.
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#2836951 - 05/24/12 03:56 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Setterman]
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Tennesse has some of the very best turkey hunting in the whole country. I have hunted a bunch of different states and TN ranks right up there with the best. I would say even a mediocre county in TN is better than what some other states have to offer. However I understand what some are saying about things not being as good as it used to be but do some research to find out why? I personally think the turkey hunting at Fort Campbell has went way down-hill, however if you didnt hunt there "10yrs ago" you wouldnt understand what I am saying because it is still good hunting. I dont think the areas up front can handle the 4 bird limit but I am sure someone else prolly dont think it matters. I will continue to hunt there tho...............
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#2837066 - 05/24/12 07:55 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Roost 1]
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 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
However I understand what some are saying about things not being as good as it used to be but do some research to find out why?
In my opinion, the once booming population (10 years or so ago for many areas in TN) has now stabilized, or is in the process of stabilizing for many counties and areas. The MDC does a good job of explaining how a turkey population explosion is often followed by stabilization of the flock to a sustainable level. Here it is in their words.

MDC Turkey Outlook Pay particular attention to the section titled "Transitional times"
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#2837127 - 05/24/12 09:06 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Andy S.]
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I would really hate to see the limit lowered. The hunting was amazing ten or so years ago, but it's still pretty dang good. My dad and I just hunt more farms now so we don't burn one farm up.
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#2837155 - 05/24/12 09:21 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Andy S.]
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Ren,
I am not a biologist and have no formal wildlife training. I go by years of hunting the same piece of ground and try to use logic. My lease is 900 acres with a 10000 acre area too the north that used to be a hunting lease but now is a military training area with no hunting. I have hunted this piece of ground since 1990. Thats 22 years and when i first started hunting this lease any morning u would hear 10 to 20 gobblers and see 20 to 30 turkeys every morning in the spring. It was unbelievable. In the fall we would see flocks of 100 hens and 25 longbeards going to roost on different afternoons. It was that way until the limits started getting raised. Then the population slowly started changing. Now a good morning is hearing 4 gobblers. Lawrence has a good point with there being lots more turkey hunters now than then. Why this happenned i dont know. Me an the local warden have talked about it over and over and he requested to lower the limit back to 2. This is what he told me and i have not verified but just took his word for it. I was told we have twice as many turkey hunters killing the same amount of turkeys that half that many turkey hunters killed when the limit was 2. He says that the limit is too high. I used to go along with him on that but like i said i still see way more gobblers than hens. So what is happenning to the hens? I dont know. With as many more turkey hunters we have these days and the limit doubled it just seems to me that we should be breaking harvest records. Just an old turkey hunters opinion who misses the days of hearing fifteen gobblers gobbling until lunch. But it does make for good forum banter doesnt it? LOL I am not bashing twra because tennessee as a state is very good. In my small piece of the world its just not what it used to be. It seems to be that way in lots of things not just turkey hunting.


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#2837162 - 05/24/12 09:25 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: muddyboots]
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I also hate being in unit L for deer hunting. LOL
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#2837175 - 05/24/12 09:35 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: muddyboots]
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I gotcha muddy and I'm really not trying to start anything. My main point was TN as a whole is a dang good state to hunt in. Also You are making a judgment of limits based on your area rather then a much larger scale.

Also as far as hens, the life span of hens va gobblers is much lower which has a lot to do with the ratio depending on pred rates and winter habitat.

A simple response to limit questions is the total population has grown steadily the past 4-6 years even with the limits.
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#2837180 - 05/24/12 09:40 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Swamphunter
 Originally Posted By: REN
WOW, an almost all time high for state population and people are still not happy with things.


REN, you have to look at things from both sides. Why do you think I drive 5 hours to hunt with you and Grizz? Besides the grat company, of course! \:D Because the hunting in West TN sucks! Why do you think I drive 2.5 hours one way for decent turkey hunting? You live in a turkey paradise and have some incredible farms to hunt. Everyone isn't so fortunate. We need units and West TN needs alot of help.


I don't disagree but units have reason why they won't work either. There are areas in west tn that are doing well especially compared to past populations and yes some still need help. "hunting" does not have as much of an impact on populations as some think as well.

I am more then thankful for the areas I hunt even if they are not as good as they once were. Every thing runs in cycles and some years are just gonna be down and others up that's just what happens when you depend on a finicky animal with a short life cycle like a turkey.
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#2837185 - 05/24/12 09:45 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: ]
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oh my gosh people some of you need to do a little traveling and talking if yall think the populations are good statewide. Wayne and Lawrence and hardin counties use to be right up there with murray and giles as far as numbers, now its an absolute SHI* hole for the most part. I do not know why and i dont blame twra, WHERE MY PROBLEM ARISES IS THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 7 OR 8 YEARS. I ASKED A LEADING TWRA OFFICIAL WHAT WAS GOING ON AND HE SAID THEY STARTED DOING STUDIES THIS YEAR, I SAID WHY ARE THEY JUST NOW STARTING? his answer: WE HAVE JUST CAUGHT WIND OF IT?????? give me a freaking break people have been screaming these facts for nearly 10 years.

I love how people in the still turkey infested counties are so up to tell you how good the hunting is when they never leave there area to see statewide.
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#2837195 - 05/24/12 09:53 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Rockhound]
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Well I have hunted in more areas then middle tn if you are aiming that at me. In addition I know a few biologists that work for the state and I assure you they didn't "just start".

Also the population ACROSS the state as I put it has gone up and that's a simple fact.
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#2837198 - 05/24/12 09:56 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: REN]
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Before this gets to far I want to be clear that I am not TWRA goon or stating the season and limits are perfect.

My point was some want to complain about the 4th best totals in history which is hard to understand. TN is a top 5 state to hunt with a long season and liberal bag limit which makes it one of the best to hunt period.
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#2837212 - 05/24/12 10:14 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: REN]
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 Originally Posted By: REN
"hunting" does not have as much of an impact on populations as some think as well.


If you have several good hunters in one area, it can have a major effect when you have a four bird limit.
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#2837215 - 05/24/12 10:15 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: REN]
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 Originally Posted By: REN
......the population ACROSS the state as I put it has gone up and that's a simple fact.
How is the population calculated? Is it an estimate or a solid number that can be supported with hard data? The last estimate I saw was 300,000 birds in 2008, and that estimate was " crude at best" per Daryl's (BGG) post on TnDeer.


Edited by Andy S. (05/24/12 10:19 PM)
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#2837256 - 05/24/12 11:32 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Swamphunter
I have personally decided next year I am not going to join a lease unless I find one covered up with birds. I will spend my season in Middle TN hunting WMAs. The sad truth is the hunting here is so bad here I would rather hunt public land there.
there is good public land over here, I can show you some spots
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#2837284 - 05/25/12 03:32 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: REN]
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 Originally Posted By: REN
Well I have hunted in more areas then middle tn if you are aiming that at me. In addition I know a few biologists that work for the state and I assure you they didn't "just start".

Also the population ACROSS the state as I put it has gone up and that's a simple fact.


Not pointing directly at anyone thats what i was told and led to believe. As far as population we use to have one of those 15bird a mornin countiess andi can assure you renit has went nearly extinct you killed as many birds this year as i have heard in my end of the county in 7 years i promise. As far as populations going up across state maybe in the last 3 years but not the last 7 or 8 and i. Have trouble believing that. Maybe in pockets but not statewide
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#2837319 - 05/25/12 05:46 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Rockhound]
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I agree that its a great place to hunt but something is definitely wrong i use to walk ten minutes one way to hunt turkey now i have to drive 1.5 hours one way to evene attempt to hunt. Its crazy how it has just went dead and the fact that they cant tell u whats going on is aggravating. As i have said in other posts i have seen more promise this year than the past 5 it has me really excited for next year but im not gettin my hopes up
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#2837333 - 05/25/12 06:46 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Rockhound]
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This is a good discussion. Carry on.
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#2837372 - 05/25/12 07:40 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
 Originally Posted By: REN
"hunting" does not have as much of an impact on populations as some think as well.


If you have several good hunters in one area, it can have a major effect when you have a four bird limit.


no questions, and at some point hunters have to police themselves for future populations. Also you are still thinking small areas where i am talking about regions or statewide.

I mean if the limit was 1 all year but you had a lease of 30 guys that all killed one you are still defeating the purpose. Hunters have to do there part as well. I mean if you kill 10 hens in the fall and 4 gobblers a year on a small track then i really dont want to hear any complaining the next year when things are not as good as before.
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#2837379 - 05/25/12 07:47 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Rockhound]
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 Originally Posted By: Rockhound
I agree that its a great place to hunt but something is definitely wrong i use to walk ten minutes one way to hunt turkey now i have to drive 1.5 hours one way to evene attempt to hunt. Its crazy how it has just went dead and the fact that they cant tell u whats going on is aggravating. As i have said in other posts i have seen more promise this year than the past 5 it has me really excited for next year but im not gettin my hopes up



obviously i dont have the answers and dont pretend to, and i hope i dont put off that vide. However there is so much that can affect a population of turkeys in a given area or even county its crazy. Weather, predators, farmers or dumb non hunters baiting them which causes disease. it is hard for a population to rebound fast if a bunch are whipped out in one time frame.

the last reports i got still showed the population was on the increase statewide, which means just that. It doesnt mean the population on your road or lease is on the rise.

people always point to Middle TN as its not fair to compair to east or west tn but my question to that is, if the limit is set at 4 yet Middle TN is still growing in population how is it the cause for the destruction in other areas? and on the flip side of that what caused the excessive population 10 years ago?
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#2837408 - 05/25/12 08:24 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Andy S.]
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Off topic but just saw 2 nice toms in full strut with a single hen while I'm driving to the DR office lol. Man what an odd year.
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#2837447 - 05/25/12 09:03 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: REN]
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Off topic but just saw 2 nice toms in full strut with a single hen while I'm driving to the DR office lol. Man what an odd year.
I've received 2-3 reports very similar to this over the last 7-10 days from a bud up around Nashville.
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#2837598 - 05/25/12 01:04 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: ]
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Wow. That's a nice offer catman!
well I am glad to share a couple spots I know of in person on yanahli, I just won't say anything about the spots on the public forum of course. Also the hunting is best there early in the season. Later, the birds shut up or move to private land and frustrate you with their gobbling out of reach. I haven't learned how to successfully hunt them late in the season yet. But I can show you where I've killed some in the first 3 or 4 weeks and where they roost... Just let me know if you decide to head that way next spring.
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#2837632 - 05/25/12 01:30 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Andy S.]
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Saw one yesterday and today in full strut with hens
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#2837859 - 05/25/12 09:01 PM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: LB FANATIC]
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Strutters with hens now isn't out of the question. Most likely it is young hens that are just now sexually mature. Around here the birds are hammering while I am trying to relax and catch a few fish. Bastar_ _ . \:\)
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#2837947 - 05/26/12 12:10 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Setterman]
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Haven't heard a gobble since my last hunt but then I haven't been in the turkey woods much since then. I have seen turkeys though although no strutting or gobbling.
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#2838003 - 05/26/12 07:35 AM Re: 4th highest harvest recorded [Re: Andy S.]
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I dont blame twra and i definitely dont blame 4 bird limits for my area and it is not just my "road or lease " its covers Lawrence and Wayne counties i know those two for sure. Its not as bad in the northern part of the counties as the south but still very noticeable. Whatever killed the turkeys killed them to a prettg much unhuntable population in a matter of a out 3 years. Its been like this since 2006 or 2007 by the way. Im not comparing anything either look at the map im as dead in middle tn as you. We border murray county.
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