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#288066 - 07/04/07 08:27 AM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: BSK]
BigGameGuy
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Never under estimate the power of the nose.

I don't think they are going to an "area", they are more than likely going to a "girl friend".


Edited by BigGameGuy (07/04/07 08:28 AM)
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#288070 - 07/04/07 08:30 AM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: 156p&y]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: 156p&y
I've seen older bucks trotting almost franticly in a dead straight line to areas they bed, right at and right after daylight. It was like they where vampires that had to get in their coffin before the sun was completely up. And when I say straight line I'm talking, not on a trail and just lowering their heads to go through thick brush.
I have experienced this many times, and one of my best bucks (and oldest) bucks ever was taken back in 1984 during the 1st 5 minutes of legal shooting time, as he was running to his bedding area. He was making so much noise, I'm sure he was over a half mile away when I first heard him coming, allowing me plenty of time to be ready, if only there would enough light when he passed.
 Originally Posted By: BSK
Most of these beeline travels are at night.

Most of these "beeline" travels I have heard, not seen. These older bucks almost seem to try to make extra noise --- sometimes sounding more like a horse galloping thru the woods than a deer. Most of these I've experienced when I got on stand about an hour before first light, and most of the time, I would hear these beeline travels begin and end well before first light.

I should add that I've experience much less of this over the past several years in the same hunting areas where it was once almost an every morning (pre-light) experience. When the area was several square miles of unbroken hardwoods, I experienced this often. As the habitat has changed into mixed hardwoods, dense young pine, and thick young clear-cuts, I believe these bucks are doing less of this. While I couldn't hear one as well going thru pine, they might make more noise in some of the thick cover. My theory is it became harder to travel in a beeline once the habitat when from many square miles of fairly open hardwoods to mixed habitat.

 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy
Never under estimate the power of the nose.

I don't think they are going to an "area", they are more than likely going to a "girl friend".

I'm sure that is sometimes the case, but that did not appear to be the case in my experiences described above. I often hunted saddles on high ridges where I could actually hear a running deer over a mile below as it came up the ridge, crossed, and then might go another half-mile when everything just suddenly stopped ---- like he had reached his bedding place for the day, barely before daylight ---- sometimes right after.

It's the timing of these jaunts that makes me believe they were not smelling a doe, as well as the great distances they typically traveled, galloping more like a horse than a deer. And it was nearly always just one deer --- the relatively few times I've been able to see --- nearly always an older buck.

The hunting implications were that I was tipped off to many older buck bedding areas by hearing where they stopped, then hunting closer, and closer to those areas in subsequent hunts, sometimes eventually killing another mature buck as a result.

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#288071 - 07/04/07 08:30 AM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: BigGameGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy
Never under estimate the power of the nose.

I don't think they are going to an "area", they are more than likely going to a "girl friend".


I agree. From Mark's data, the bucks were obviously chasing a doe once they got to where they were going. But man, that's a long way for scent to travel.

I guess some does are just really stinky. \:\)

Actually, I dated a girl like that once... ;\)
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#288165 - 07/04/07 09:22 AM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: BSK]
Mike Belt
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How far did you have to travel?

Right now I have a lab in heat. My male lab, usually very controllable, has gone nuts. Mature bucks that are never seen or even known to have existed finally break their "code of invisibility", even if only briefly, after getting a whiff of an estrous doe. I fully buy into the fact that bucks will travel long distances in search of those does and I can see why 2.5 year old bucks would make these 2+ mile forays searching as well as avoiding the older, more dominant bucks in those areas. The part that befuddles me is why they would return to their starting points so soon. If the lure of sex is strong enough to pull them out of their seclusion in the first place but they return within a 24 hour period (provided they didn't couple up with a doe) is it because of fatique, the security that that immediate "home" range offers, or have they mastubated temporarily gratifying themselves to the point of a temporarily subdued sex drive?
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#288176 - 07/04/07 09:26 AM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: Mike Belt]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
or have they mastubated temporarily gratifying themselves to the point of a temporarily subdued sex drive?

If deer could masterbait, I don't think I would ever have a shot at a decent buck! Why would they ever leave their bedroom?
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#288183 - 07/04/07 09:30 AM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: gil1]
Chris Tripp
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 Originally Posted By: gil1
 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
or have they mastubated temporarily gratifying themselves to the point of a temporarily subdued sex drive?

If deer could masterbait, I don't think I would ever have a shot at a decent buck! Why would they ever leave their bedroom?


lol

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#288234 - 07/04/07 10:00 AM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: gil1]
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 Originally Posted By: gil1
 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
or have they mastubated temporarily gratifying themselves to the point of a temporarily subdued sex drive?

If deer could masterbait, I don't think I would ever have a shot at a decent buck! Why would they ever leave their bedroom?


They can, as can several other animals..
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#288356 - 07/04/07 11:10 AM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: TOW]
Mike Belt
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You'll only miss out on the gay bucks. The straight ones will still chase after the girls. By virtue of this, the man that has a wall full of faggot bucks is by far the better hunter.
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#288375 - 07/04/07 11:34 AM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: gil1]
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 Originally Posted By: gil1
 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
or have they mastubated temporarily gratifying themselves to the point of a temporarily subdued sex drive?

If deer could masterbait, I don't think I would ever have a shot at a decent buck! Why would they ever leave their bedroom?


Actually, bucks regularly masterbait. I've seen many video-clips of them doing so.
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#288397 - 07/04/07 12:20 PM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: gil1
 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
or have they mastubated temporarily gratifying themselves to the point of a temporarily subdued sex drive?

If deer could masterbait, I don't think I would ever have a shot at a decent buck! Why would they ever leave their bedroom?


Actually, bucks regularly masterbait. I've seen many video-clips of them doing so.



Several years ago I watched a spike when he did his own thing. he was trailing a big buck and doe and was totally frustrated as the big buck kept running him off. That is the first time I had ever seen that happen. A friend of mine has a captive deer herd and he has seen it a number of times. He hunched his back up and rubbed his penis against his belly. His whole body shuddered and then he looked around, I guess to see if anybody was watching. ;\)

The big buck was with the doe most of the morning and finally came by my stand at 7 yards... shame on him..

The crossbow spoke and he ran 80 yards and keeled over.

Maybe after that the spike took up with the doe?
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