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#286656 - 07/03/07 06:57 AM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: JWW4]
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 Originally Posted By: JWW4
While the topic of different states and their varing laws is being discussed. Seeing as how deer don't know about or observe state lines has a study ever been done on the deer in tennessee that may share ranges say in TN/KY and how they differ from deer in TN/GA or TN/MS ranges?


I've never seen a study on this, but you will see numerous hunters commenting on the large size of bucks in the northern TN counties that border KY.
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#286666 - 07/03/07 07:05 AM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: deerchaser007]
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 Originally Posted By: deerchaser007
BSK,.... the radio collared deer information you are talking about,.... is the study information consist of land that is properly managed for habitat, sacuaries,food plots, and how much land is involved in the study??

Based on that study alone,... that information would be critical when your talking how to measure success from a QDM project on small properties. Seems if the study was conducted on land that did not have sancuaries, dense habitat for cover and food, and food plots that the study may reveal different results.


So far, only one really detailed study released to the scientific community. A second will be released this year, but I received some insider information on that one recently. The first was conducted on a well-managed property in the DelMarVa Penninsula in an area that is heavy agriculture, and the patterns were very much linked to that agriculture, in that seasonal patterns were being driven by maturation of agriculture and dates of harvest.

I don't know the study site situation of the second study (yet), other than it was conducted by an Auburn graduate student, so I suspect it was somewhere in southern AL. But what I found interesting was the matching patterns between the two studies, especially those of bucks making short-duration, long-distance "forays" during the rut. These long-distance forays have major implications for small-land management, as a buck being "grown" on one property may end up being killed on one of his rut forays miles from his regular home range.
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#286732 - 07/03/07 08:04 AM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: BSK]
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Deerchaser007,

Here's what Steve Ditchkoff, head of the Wildlife Department at Auburn, had to say about their study:

I have a student completing his thesis on buck movements that has a lot of relevance to some of the things mentioned on here in the past day. When following bucks for 24 straight hours, we find that 2.5 year old bucks (the youngest that we monitored) frequently made what we called "exploratory" movements where they would bee-line (as described by BSK) about 1.5 to 2 miles and return immediately. However, we saw the same deer doing it in different directions on several occasions. Because of the extremely high proportion of mature males in this population, we interpreted these movements as a response to the lack of available does because the big boys were locked down on them. In essence, we believe they were actually checking to see if the "grass was greener". Of course, this is pure speculation. We are also seeing some movement patterns in high fences that would suggest that this is occurring there as well, and we will begin to examine this pattern this fall.

One of the chapters in this thesis is on home range shifts...similar to what BSK described. In the population that we studied, we are finding that it is the norm, rather than the exception, and it has huge implications for deer management, and some of the things we are talking about. You will definitely want to read this when it's complete.
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#287056 - 07/03/07 12:15 PM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: Mike Belt]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
Let's not forget that QDM minded practices are not just for our sake. Whether they are killed during the hunting season on the property under management, on adjacent properties not practicing QDM, or never killed at all; all could be considered moot points. At least to some degree, stereotypical QDM practices are designed to benefit and maximize the whitetail deer and they accomplish just that. Even without hanging their heads on our walls we gain the satisfaction of being able to give something back to the sport that so drives our lives.


THANK YOU, Mike.
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#287279 - 07/03/07 03:36 PM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: Greg .]
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Thanks for sharing that info BSK,.. and i fully agree with the last part saying you will definitely want to read this when complete. I know i would.......

That is amazing that a buck can cover 1.5 to 2 miles in 24 hours and return to his homerange.
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#287305 - 07/03/07 03:58 PM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: deerchaser007]
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 Originally Posted By: deerchaser007
Thanks for sharing that info BSK,.. and i fully agree with the last part saying you will definitely want to read this when complete. I know i would.......

That is amazing that a buck can cover 1.5 to 2 miles in 24 hours and return to his homerange.



They saw the exact same pattern at Remington Farms in Maryland. Bucks would take off, cover a couple of miles in just a few hours, appear to chase a doe around for a day, and then make a bee-line back to his home range. I asked the Ph.D. running the program what percent of older bucks make these trips, and he said just about all of them do it at least once during the rut, with some doing it multiple times.

Another point that Steve brought up was that most bucks in their study did not have consistent rut range from year to year. The average overlap between an individual buck's rut range from one year to the next was only 50%, and some bucks displayed completely different rut ranges from one year to the next with no overlap between the two.
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#287363 - 07/03/07 05:15 PM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: BSK]
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BSK what times of day did the majority of the bucks make this bee-line back to his homerange? I ask b/c I've seen older bucks trotting almost franticly in a dead straight line to areas they bed, right at and right after daylight. It was like they where vampires that had to get in their coffin before the sun was completely up. It may just be a freak incident but I've seen it several times and mostly during the rut. And when I say straight line I'm talking, not on a trail and just lowering their heads to go through thick brush. In every case they all been older aged deer atleast 3.5 and up.

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#288009 - 07/04/07 07:10 AM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: 156p&y]
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I can believe that a deer can travel 1 to 2 maybe even 5 miles away from his core area and I am not sure it isn't done a whole lot more than just in the rut. A man can cover 5 miles in an hour walking why is it hard to believe a deer can't do the same thing especially at night. I feel that as more research is done on the habits of deer we will see more and more myths fall by the way side.
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#288064 - 07/04/07 08:23 AM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: David J]
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156p&y,

Most of these beeline travels are at night. In fact, one buck got hit by a car on the way back home. Kind of wierd to see the GPS positions heading quickly in a fairly straight line and then the last point is in the middle of a road.
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#288065 - 07/04/07 08:24 AM Re: Measures of QDM "success" [Re: David J]
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 Originally Posted By: David J
I can believe that a deer can travel 1 to 2 maybe even 5 miles away from his core area and I am not sure it isn't done a whole lot more than just in the rut. A man can cover 5 miles in an hour walking why is it hard to believe a deer can't do the same thing especially at night. I feel that as more research is done on the habits of deer we will see more and more myths fall by the way side.


I think the question isn't that they can do it, but why they do it. How do they know where they are going?
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