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#2824876 - 05/09/12 12:47 PM Re: Finally Got Number 4! [Re: catman529]
bvoss
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
congrats on a great season! Did he break any bones falling from the tree? \:D


LOL! Yea I think his wing. His neck was already broken before he ever hit the dirt
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#2824920 - 05/09/12 01:39 PM Re: Finally Got Number 4! [Re: bvoss]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: bvoss
 Originally Posted By: catman529
congrats on a great season! Did he break any bones falling from the tree? \:D


LOL! Yea I think his wing. His neck was already broken before he ever hit the dirt
mine broke his breast bone. Meat was still OK though.

I don't see it being much different from shooting off the roost. The bird is in a tree where they are safe from predators, he didn't see the hunter, and he was shot off the limb. What exactly is the ethical difference again?
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#2824978 - 05/09/12 02:34 PM Re: Finally Got Number 4! [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: bvoss
 Originally Posted By: catman529
congrats on a great season! Did he break any bones falling from the tree? \:D


LOL! Yea I think his wing. His neck was already broken before he ever hit the dirt
mine broke his breast bone. Meat was still OK though.

I don't see it being much different from shooting off the roost. The bird is in a tree where they are safe from predators, he didn't see the hunter, and he was shot off the limb. What exactly is the ethical difference again?



One event happened around daylight after hunter snuck under said bird in said tree in the darkness, the other happened well after fly-down and after the turkey flew BACK UP into the tree for a better vantage point.... in broad daylight.
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#2825030 - 05/09/12 03:22 PM Re: Finally Got Number 4! [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
 Originally Posted By: bvoss
- Ok Catman, you're not alone now in shooting one out of a tree!



First, congrats on your season completing bird, along with all those others!!

Second, you were in a totally different situation as far as shooting him out of the tree.... and the events leading up to the shot.

I would not hesitate to repeat your situation if I was given the opportunity myself.
Congrats I agree with Grizzly you called him and shot him in the face!
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#2825070 - 05/09/12 04:00 PM Re: Finally Got Number 4! [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: bvoss
 Originally Posted By: catman529
congrats on a great season! Did he break any bones falling from the tree? \:D


LOL! Yea I think his wing. His neck was already broken before he ever hit the dirt
mine broke his breast bone. Meat was still OK though.

I don't see it being much different from shooting off the roost. The bird is in a tree where they are safe from predators, he didn't see the hunter, and he was shot off the limb. What exactly is the ethical difference again?



One event happened around daylight after hunter snuck under said bird in said tree in the darkness, the other happened well after fly-down and after the turkey flew BACK UP into the tree for a better vantage point.... in broad daylight.
the hunter wasn't seen by the bird in both cases... I snuck in, not in complete darkness, but at dawn at the start of legal shooting light. Bvoss was already set up in the bushes when the bird flew into the tree. Both ways the hunter was close to a bird in a tree and shot the bird. Both happened by chance too. Sorry I'm a bit stuck on this one, can you explain why one is less ethical than the other?
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#2825252 - 05/09/12 08:32 PM Re: Finally Got Number 4! [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: bvoss
 Originally Posted By: catman529
congrats on a great season! Did he break any bones falling from the tree? \:D


LOL! Yea I think his wing. His neck was already broken before he ever hit the dirt
mine broke his breast bone. Meat was still OK though.

I don't see it being much different from shooting off the roost. The bird is in a tree where they are safe from predators, he didn't see the hunter, and he was shot off the limb. What exactly is the ethical difference again?



One event happened around daylight after hunter snuck under said bird in said tree in the darkness, the other happened well after fly-down and after the turkey flew BACK UP into the tree for a better vantage point.... in broad daylight.
the hunter wasn't seen by the bird in both cases... I snuck in, not in complete darkness, but at dawn at the start of legal shooting light. Bvoss was already set up in the bushes when the bird flew into the tree. Both ways the hunter was close to a bird in a tree and shot the bird. Both happened by chance too. Sorry I'm a bit stuck on this one, can you explain why one is less ethical than the other?

One came into the call to check it out and one was blind luck. That's the difference. Now that said, I don't care one way or the other as both are legal.
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#2825337 - 05/09/12 09:59 PM Re: Finally Got Number 4! [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: bvoss
 Originally Posted By: catman529
congrats on a great season! Did he break any bones falling from the tree? \:D


LOL! Yea I think his wing. His neck was already broken before he ever hit the dirt
mine broke his breast bone. Meat was still OK though.

I don't see it being much different from shooting off the roost. The bird is in a tree where they are safe from predators, he didn't see the hunter, and he was shot off the limb. What exactly is the ethical difference again?



One event happened around daylight after hunter snuck under said bird in said tree in the darkness, the other happened well after fly-down and after the turkey flew BACK UP into the tree for a better vantage point.... in broad daylight.
the hunter wasn't seen by the bird in both cases... I snuck in, not in complete darkness, but at dawn at the start of legal shooting light. Bvoss was already set up in the bushes when the bird flew into the tree. Both ways the hunter was close to a bird in a tree and shot the bird. Both happened by chance too. Sorry I'm a bit stuck on this one, can you explain why one is less ethical than the other?


As I recall reading, Bvoss was sneaking towards said bird with a fan in front of him..... how is that the same as sneaking around and getting under one in the pre-dawn?

You asked for the difference, I gave it to you with my replies.


I guess it would be comparable to opening your back door wearing pajamas and shooting a nice buck in your back yard or from a livingroom, bedroom, bathroom window. Sure it's legal, but where is the sport in it? How is that fun/sportsman like/challenging? Sure you still shoot a deer, you get meat for the table, and again legal.
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#2825361 - 05/09/12 10:32 PM Re: Finally Got Number 4! [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: bvoss
 Originally Posted By: catman529
congrats on a great season! Did he break any bones falling from the tree? \:D


LOL! Yea I think his wing. His neck was already broken before he ever hit the dirt
mine broke his breast bone. Meat was still OK though.

I don't see it being much different from shooting off the roost. The bird is in a tree where they are safe from predators, he didn't see the hunter, and he was shot off the limb. What exactly is the ethical difference again?



One event happened around daylight after hunter snuck under said bird in said tree in the darkness, the other happened well after fly-down and after the turkey flew BACK UP into the tree for a better vantage point.... in broad daylight.
the hunter wasn't seen by the bird in both cases... I snuck in, not in complete darkness, but at dawn at the start of legal shooting light. Bvoss was already set up in the bushes when the bird flew into the tree. Both ways the hunter was close to a bird in a tree and shot the bird. Both happened by chance too. Sorry I'm a bit stuck on this one, can you explain why one is less ethical than the other?


As I recall reading, Bvoss was sneaking towards said bird with a fan in front of him..... how is that the same as sneaking around and getting under one in the pre-dawn?

You asked for the difference, I gave it to you with my replies.


I guess it would be comparable to opening your back door wearing pajamas and shooting a nice buck in your back yard or from a livingroom, bedroom, bathroom window. Sure it's legal, but where is the sport in it? How is that fun/sportsman like/challenging? Sure you still shoot a deer, you get meat for the table, and again legal.
Shooting a bird off the roost was definitely not the most challenging hunt and there wasn't much sport in it, but I don't see it as unethical... just a less sporting way to kill a bird. It would be pretty lame to go around shooting all your birds off the limb, but I don't feel bad that I did it just that once. Not much sport in it I agree but sport doesn't matter when you're meat hunting. Now my bird #3 was called in off private property onto WMA and #4 was snuck up on and shot from a prone position in the middle of a field. So I do hunt for sport as well. Those last 2 birds were awesome hunts. Well come to think of it I'd say all the birds I killed were awesome hunts in one way or another. Can't beat turkey hunting....
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#2825513 - 05/10/12 07:55 AM Re: Finally Got Number 4! [Re: catman529]
bvoss
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My take on it is this.

I've killed a few birds off of the limb when I started turkey hunting. The past ten years or so I have killed nearly all my birds by calling them in. I have ambushed a few, but the majority are called into the gun. I am fine with you killing them however you want as long as it is legal, but for me, I am not going to just sneak up to the roost tree and roll him out. I just enjoy the game ( the calling, gobbling, strutting, spitting, drumming)to much to end a hunt before I really get to experience it all.
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#2825917 - 05/10/12 04:16 PM Re: Finally Got Number 4! [Re: bvoss]
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Guys...do what you do and stop defending yourself!!! I dont suppose you hunt to make others happy, I don't. If you are fine with what you do, don't worry about the others. There are plenty of folks out there who think if you dont call the bird up, it is un-ethical to kill him aka bushwhack....to each their own!!!
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