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#2820717 - 05/03/12 12:34 PM Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore...
catman529
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bottle of sawyers says it will treat 2 outfits. I used a whole bottle on one outfit, plus boots, seat cushion, and face mask, which didn't use much extra. I've worn the gear several times and only washed once. The clothes were put through a hot dryer - is that the problem? Last couple times in the woods I pulled quite a few ticks off me that had no problem getting past the clothes treated in sawyers.
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#2820722 - 05/03/12 12:37 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: catman529]
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FWIW, I re-treat after every washing and sometimes between washings, depending on the severity of the ticks.

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#2820726 - 05/03/12 12:42 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: Andy S.]
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 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
FWIW, I re-treat after very washing and sometimes between washings, depending on the severity of the ticks.


yep.
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#2820742 - 05/03/12 01:11 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: stik]
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0 ticks for second turkey season in a row. Treated clothes twice and was literally crawling through bushes and cedars at points
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#2820746 - 05/03/12 01:19 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: stik]
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Quit washing your clothes \:D !
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#2820777 - 05/03/12 01:46 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: ]
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it was an all natural detergent made from borax and other things. Doubt it would hurt. I'm thinking of buying the concentrated permethrin and mixing my own solution. just need to know the right ratio to use, and then I can soak my clothes in it and wring them out, instead of just spraying.
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#2820788 - 05/03/12 01:57 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: catman529]
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I spray evertime i step out of truck.
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#2820798 - 05/03/12 02:05 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: ]
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First of all, men don't wear "outfits"

I spray mine down once before the season, maybe once during the season and that's it.

I don't wash them, just hang them outside. They stink a little, but I don't get ticks and the smell just kind of smells like turkey season to me.
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#2820809 - 05/03/12 02:13 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: ]
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Nobody takes my man card... the bottle said outfits, I was just going by that... There are too many guys around franklin who spend too much on their outfits to worry about me and my hunting clothes \:D
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#2820832 - 05/03/12 02:39 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: catman529]
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Cat,

When you say pulled ticks off, are you talking about ticks crawling on you or ticks that had actually embedded in your skin? Even with permethrin, I still find ticks crawling on me while in the field, but I never have ticks make it long enough to bite.

I also always tuck my shirt in and tuck pants into socks or tape pant legs.
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#2820833 - 05/03/12 02:40 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: Andy S.]
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 Originally Posted By: Andy S.
FWIW, I re-treat after very washing and sometimes between washings, depending on the severity of the ticks.


What he said. Too inexpensive to do so, and potentially expensive not to.
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#2820857 - 05/03/12 03:23 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: Knothead]
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Mine is still going strong. Zero ticks and the only mosquito bites I have are a few on my hands from when I had my gloves off. I have washed my "outfit" once this season. I also sprayed my turkey vest with it.
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#2820881 - 05/03/12 04:09 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: WMAn]
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 Originally Posted By: WMAn
Cat,

When you say pulled ticks off, are you talking about ticks crawling on you or ticks that had actually embedded in your skin? Even with permethrin, I still find ticks crawling on me while in the field, but I never have ticks make it long enough to bite.

I also always tuck my shirt in and tuck pants into socks or tape pant legs.
Pulled them off crawling on clothes, crawling on skin, and already having bit me. Have several nasty itching bites because of it - they don't have to be latched on long for the bite to itch for days. I even felt one biting me and pulled him straight off. Can't stand those dirty things...
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#2820908 - 05/03/12 04:50 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: Swamphunter
 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
I spray evertime i step out of truck.


Have you read the label? Permethrin is not supposed to be applied while wearing the clothes and it should be allowed to dry before wearing them. As effective as it is when used properly, why take a chance with your health? I hunt some tick infested places and never have a problem.


Yea i read it. Didnt work for me that way.
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#2820953 - 05/03/12 05:59 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: catman529]
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Hahah I don't wash my stuff till season is over if I can help it and if I have to I treat it after each wash.
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#2821106 - 05/03/12 09:27 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: REN]
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hmm.i got a bottle said 1 outfit, i washed once already and so far still working great.
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#2821130 - 05/03/12 09:48 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: sure shot]
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This is the first year I've used permethrin and I used most of one bottle on a pair of pants, shirt, hat, and vest. So far so good and I've washed them once.
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#2821763 - 05/04/12 08:13 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: muddyboots]
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Ticks dont bother me much. I dont know why,But I never have to worry about them.
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#2821790 - 05/04/12 08:59 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: timberjack86]
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Here's what you need to do:
Go to Tractor Supply and buy you a bottle of this (its like $ 10 or less) and it'll last you for a year or two, depending on how often you are in the woods.


Mix 0.5 oz in 1/2 gal water. I mix it in a pump sprayer. Hang your clothes and spray your clothes a day or two before you go afield, and you dont have to worry about ticks or chiggers. Be sure and let it dry before you wear the clothes !! I also spray my boots, and my turkey vest, backpack, etc. I went out this evening in the woods, and when I got back to my truck, there were ticks all over my pants legs and boots, but they were either dead, or barely moving (almost dead).Not a single tick on my body. Thats is some potent stuff.
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#2821797 - 05/04/12 09:05 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: Knothead]
Andy S.
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My hunting bud makes the mix just as Knothead mentioned. It is definitely the most economical approach when it comes to Permethrin, while being just as effective, if not more, depending on your mix ratio.
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#2822125 - 05/05/12 12:16 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: Andy S.]
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yes thanks for the tip, I will be doing that for sure.
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#2822563 - 05/06/12 11:40 AM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: catman529]
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Excellent info Knothead!!
Sawyers works great, but much more expensive than what TSC has.

I've had terrible problems with ticks in years past, even my wife getting bit with ones that made the ride home with me.
Started using Sawyers this year: Zero ticks with many, many days crawling in the woods this season.
I applied at first of season and have washed the clothes only twice (very lightly, small amount of detergent). I'll them respray just a little on the cuffs, collar, etc.
I'm absolutley sold on permithrin.
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#2822584 - 05/06/12 12:09 PM Re: Sawyers permethrin aint working anymore... [Re: sure shot]
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From an older post. This make 2 turkey seasons that I have yet to get a tick on my skin. I also use it hiking/backpacking.



OK, this post if for your information and is only to help you make a choice between the available options. I don't promise that my recipe will not cause skin cancer or turn you into a zombie after prolonged use. Do the research for yourself, or use a commercial mix. Always follow the manufacture's instructions and precautions.

Permethrin is a popular and well known treatment for ticks, chiggers, mites and other biting insects. It is often marketed as a mosquito repellent, but it doesn't actually repel any insect. What it does do is kill insects that come into contact with the treated fabric. IT IS NOT APPROVED TO PUT ON YOUR SKIN! This is intended to be applied to your clothes or gear prior to use and allowed to fully dry before contacting your skin.

There are several commercially available options that are directly marketed towards outdoor sportsmen. Here are the most popular options:

REPEL brand sold "Permanone Tick Repellent" aerosol for year in an orange and blue can. Now they sell it as "Mosquito Stop", but it is basically the same stuff.


Coulston's Duranon Tick Repellent is a similar aerosol spray with the same percentage of permethrin. This can often be found at your local Co-Op or hunting supply store.


Sawyer's Tick Repellent is a newer popular option. It is available at some Wal-Marts and some Dick's and other big box stores. It is supposed to be FDA approved for use on clothing for human.


The first "Homemade Permethrin" recipe I tried was using DurationTM 10% Permethrin mixed with water to make a .5% concentration which I poured into spray bottles. This was a much cheaper option than the 3 listed above. However, Duration got more expensive and harder to find so I moved to my current brand. It used to claim to be the "ONLY" FDA approved 10% concentrate approved for use on clothing for humans.


Currently, and for the past 2 years I have used Martin's 10% Permethrin to mix with water and make a spray treatment for my hunting and hiking clothes.

I buy mine here: http://pestcontrolou...icks-fleas-16oz

Martin's is not FDA approved for a clothing treatment for humans. DID YOU READ THAT STATEMENT?

With that said, I have done quite a bit of research into the various permethrin mixtures available. Most are marketed toward treatment of ticks and mites on Cattle, Dogs and other Livestock. Many of these are not suitable for clothing treatments because they contain a percentage of petroleum to aid in the sticking on cattle and other livestock. This is the same for the permethrin lawn treatment products that are available at Home Depot and Lowes. Lot's of people have used these, but from what I have read it's safer to avoid the products that list petroleum in the ingredients.

I buy the 8oz bottle of Martin's 10% Permethrin and mix it with 1.25 gallons of water in a 5 gallon bucket. The mix to get to .5% is 6.4 ounces per gallon of water or 1oz to 20 oz of water. Lots of folks use 1oz to 15oz of water, that gives you .625% and is stronger than needed, but fits nicely in a 16oz spray bottle. My mix makes it just less than .5%, but I can tell you from experience that it is completely effective at killing ticks. I have found many dead ticks on my treated clothing. After I mix up a bucket, I dip my clothes in, wearing gloves, I wring out the clothes back into the bucket. I dipped 5 pairs of pants, 5 shirts and a couple sets of base layers this years. I still had enough left in the bucket to fill 3 16oz spray bottles for reapplications. In the past 3 years I have had ZERO tick bites. I have found a few on me, both dead and alive. No seed tick attacks, no chigger attacks, and it does kill mosquitoes if they stay in contact with the fabric.

I also use Martin's to mix up a tick dip for my dogs. I follow the instructions provided with the bottle to make the dog dip. I used it on both my dogs and have not seen any sign of skin irritation. I left a tick on my dog and sprayed it with the dog dip and the next day the tick had fallen off. I assume it died. There are no fleas or ticks on my dogs so I am a believer that the dip works. BTW, the dog dip mix is many times weaker than the .5% that I use for clothing. Don't use the .5% mix on your dogs and don't use it in any mixture on cats.

Please remember this is a poison. Do not use the mix bucket for any other purpose. Do not use the spray bottles for any other purpose. Make sure you take care to prevent contamination to unintended areas. Do a little research and you will find that Permethrin is a very versatile insecticide and has lots of useful applications around the house and farm.


Edited by whiskey (05/06/12 12:11 PM)
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