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#2817454 - 04/28/12 07:03 PM Hatched turkey Egg
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Found this today. Is it a hatched turkey egg. I put it together for pic.
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#2817455 - 04/28/12 07:04 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: muddyboots]
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Just the one?
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#2817459 - 04/28/12 07:08 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: shopson]
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Hatched or busted by a predator? If there was only one it would be a strange clutch, and all eggs hatch at the same general time so if it were a typical hatch situation than there would have been others nearby.

Would be curious to know if there are others somewhere close, if so this would be good data. If not, I would by it is predation.

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#2817461 - 04/28/12 07:13 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Setterman]
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Did you happen to look on the inside? If you did there should be a neat circle all the way around where the poult pecks it with his egg tooth. I am not doubting it a bit. I know a hen that has been setting and should be coming off the nest anyday now.
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#2817463 - 04/28/12 07:14 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Setterman]
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
Hatched or busted by a predator? If there was only one it would be a strange clutch, and all eggs hatch at the same general time so if it were a typical hatch situation than there would have been others nearby.

Would be curious to know if there are others somewhere close, if so this would be good data. If not, I would by it is predation.
If it was by a predator shouldnt the egg have more damage than that?Raccoons and skunks are Heck on turkey eggs.
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#2817466 - 04/28/12 07:25 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: timberjack86]
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I will look closer it was laying next to trail through pines where i usually park my truck. I will look at it closer tomorrow.
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#2817476 - 04/28/12 07:38 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: muddyboots]
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question slightly off topic: i know some birds will eat the egg shells for the calcium and to clean up some. do turkeys?
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#2817480 - 04/28/12 07:56 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: timberjack86]
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 Originally Posted By: timberjack86
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
Hatched or busted by a predator? If there was only one it would be a strange clutch, and all eggs hatch at the same general time so if it were a typical hatch situation than there would have been others nearby.

Would be curious to know if there are others somewhere close, if so this would be good data. If not, I would by it is predation.
If it was by a predator shouldnt the egg have more damage than that?Raccoons and skunks are Heck on turkey eggs.


It just depends, I have documented all sorts of critters feeding on turkey eggs. Crows are really bad, and they will usually put one hole to bust it, then use their beaks to separate the shell in 2 pieces.

It is hard to say, but with it only being one it is likely that it fell victim to a predator. But at the same time, it could be a young hen who only laid one egg, or went to sitting way early before she laid a full clutch.

Starting next week, poults could show up, especially later in the week.

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#2817776 - 04/29/12 01:14 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Setterman]
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
 Originally Posted By: timberjack86
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
Hatched or busted by a predator? If there was only one it would be a strange clutch, and all eggs hatch at the same general time so if it were a typical hatch situation than there would have been others nearby.

Would be curious to know if there are others somewhere close, if so this would be good data. If not, I would by it is predation.
If it was by a predator shouldnt the egg have more damage than that?Raccoons and skunks are Heck on turkey eggs.


It just depends, I have documented all sorts of critters feeding on turkey eggs. Crows are really bad, and they will usually put one hole to bust it, then use their beaks to separate the shell in 2 pieces.

It is hard to say, but with it only being one it is likely that it fell victim to a predator. But at the same time, it could be a young hen who only laid one egg, or went to sitting way early before she laid a full clutch.

Starting next week, poults could show up, especially later in the week.


could have just got kicked in the trail by something, with it being but that neat around i bet its a hatch
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#2820503 - 05/03/12 08:26 AM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: ]
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have found hatched eggs at 2 different TN places. Friend of mine saw poults this past weekend
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#2820556 - 05/03/12 09:12 AM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Hunt 365]
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 Originally Posted By: Matt.Wilson
have found hatched eggs at 2 different TN places. Friend of mine saw poults this past weekend






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#2820609 - 05/03/12 10:24 AM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: REN]
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I think you got it wrong REN...here Y'ALL go again. \:\)
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#2821354 - 05/04/12 09:55 AM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Andy S.]
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Staying out of it...this time.

Poults could be showing anytime now all over the SE, and that would be pretty normal. Anytime after May 1st it is possible, anytime prior to May 1st is highly unlikely.

I saw a chupacabra yesterday FWIW.

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#2821377 - 05/04/12 10:20 AM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Setterman]
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Just got word of two large groups of poults today on one of our leases. Great news to hear, considering last 2 yrs hatch/floods
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#2821437 - 05/04/12 11:37 AM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Bullfrog]
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 Originally Posted By: Bullfrog
Just got word of two large groups of poults today on one of our leases. Great news to hear, considering last 2 yrs hatch/floods


How big were the poults? If they are bigger then puffball sized, insert me rolling my eyes.

Amazing how poults are popping everywhere in TN, however there are no confirmed sightings anywhere in the South (Miss, GA, Bama) yet. That makes any poult sightings suspect, considering historical date which supports poults hatching 2-4 weeks sooner at points further south than point here in the pseudo north.


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#2821471 - 05/04/12 12:24 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Setterman]
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I had a hen with 4 poults cross the road in front of me on Wednesday a mile down the road from my place in Hickman County.

Oh, wait - I didn't get a picture of it so I'm sure someone here will say I was mistaken and it was probably just a buzzard crossing the road with 4 doves in tow.......

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#2821484 - 05/04/12 12:32 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: woodchuckc]
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 Originally Posted By: woodchuckc
I had a hen with 4 poults cross the road in front of me on Wednesday a mile down the road from my place in Hickman County.

Oh, wait - I didn't get a picture of it so I'm sure someone here will say I was mistaken and it was probably just a buzzard crossing the road with 4 doves in tow.......


How big were the poults? No one ever seems to answer this follow up question...

If there were only 4 of them, then I feel sorry for the population in your area, and your hunting in the future. If there are 4 now, there might be 1 make it, if you are really lucky.

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#2821513 - 05/04/12 01:06 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Setterman]
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Body-wise, they were about the size of doves (they were probably 5 or so days old, I would guess - they didn't look freshly hatched).

The only reason I have a decent population of birds in my area is there are very few turkey hunters in my immediate area. There are a ton of bobcats, possums, armadillos, etc. around that I am sure take a heavy toll on the eggs and young birds.

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#2821514 - 05/04/12 01:07 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Setterman]
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
Staying out of it...this time.

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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
 Originally Posted By: Bullfrog
Just got word of two large groups of poults today on one of our leases. Great news to hear, considering last 2 yrs hatch/floods


How big were the poults? If they are bigger then puffball sized, insert me rolling my eyes.

Amazing how poults are popping everywhere in TN, however there are no confirmed sightings anywhere in the South (Miss, GA, Bama) yet. That makes any poult sightings suspect, considering historical date which supports poults hatching 2-4 weeks sooner at points further south than point here in the pseudo north.



hahahah Shame on you!
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#2821532 - 05/04/12 01:36 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: woodchuckc]
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 Originally Posted By: woodchuckc
Body-wise, they were about the size of doves (they were probably 5 or so days old, I would guess - they didn't look freshly hatched).
Very believable IMO. Just like the deer rut has a forecasted peak date, so does the turkeys (photoperiod). I suspect it is more localized that we may want to believe, same can be said for deer. With that being said, I personally believe a fair number of does and hens are bred well before and after this forecasted peak date. Basically, it is just like a Bell curve with 70-80% being timed about the same and 20-30% outliers that randomly fall before and after the peak, 10-15% before and 10-15% after if evenly distributed. You could have seen some of the 10-15% that were bred early, just as others could have with their observations while afield. I am not saying I believe every hen was bred that early, just that it is possible a fair number were and people are luckily crossing paths with some of those hens and poults this year.


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#2821536 - 05/04/12 01:46 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Andy S.]
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I call BS since there are no D
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#2821592 - 05/04/12 03:42 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Carlos Viagra]
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I have no idea how big they were...i didn't ask, and it didn't matter. It came from one of the best turkey hunters I've ever known, and has no reason to lie about it. All he said was he saw 2 large groups of poults on the lease, with one group being right up in his lap. I'll find out...
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#2821616 - 05/04/12 04:26 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Bullfrog]
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He said he was guessing 1 bunch about a week old, and the other bunch a few days older. 1st bunch the size of a bob white and the other bunch a little bigger....fwiw
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#2821620 - 05/04/12 04:44 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Bullfrog]
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\:D


http://www.kentuckyhunting.net/forums/showthread.php?116472-Poults&p=2037176899


http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?p=6899028


http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/turkey-hunting/363044-warm-conditions-effects.html


http://www.bullnettlenews.com/forum/yaf_postsm355867_Poults-hatching-out.aspx

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#2821653 - 05/04/12 05:46 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: VolDoug]
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I had read a few of those threads you posted and even a few others on various sites that have the same claims in WV, SC and TX.
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#2821753 - 05/04/12 08:05 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Andy S.]
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I am going to follow my own advice and just sit this one out. It is too late in the season and I am too tired to get into a long drawn out biological discussion that highlights why poults that are size X wouldn't be present right now without some truly freakish occurrences.
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#2821787 - 05/04/12 08:48 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Setterman]
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If you want to explain, I am all ears, as I am sure others are too. Better yet, point me to some published biological journals/papers/opinions/books that say for certain there is no way on earth there are poults in TN before a certain date (historical data). Do I believe it is highly unlikely year in and year out, yes. Do I believe it could happen by chance, yes. I have scoured the internet and other forums looking for this evidence and have yet to find it. The only place left for me to visit is the library. Per previous posts, I gather that you and REN conducted field research on the eastern wild turkey while in college; at Auburn and MS State if I am not mistaken. Did you two author or co-author any papers/reports/studies etc? If so, any on the breeding behavior and hatch dates of the eastern? If so, I would love to read them. I am not being a horses rear, just playing devil's advocate until proven 100% wrong with well documented biological data. It will take more than one study with one set of data to convince me that there is only one narrow window in which ALL hens in TN breed. I am just not buying that at this point. Fire away, as I know it is not your nature to remain silent, especially when it comes to turkeys and turkey hunting and the passion you have for both. \:\)

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#2821867 - 05/04/12 10:30 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Andy S.]
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I will see what I can find from all my stuff most is just in memory now. Just for the record I never said never. I know where setter man is coming from and agree for the most part but I won't say with certainty that mother nature can't mix it up from time to time. Yes I think some or most of the claims earlier in the season may have some fabrication or confusion to them but I will not say its not possible. There are some on her that if they said it I wouldn't question it l, however with people you don't know you always have to take everything with a grain of salt.

My main point is just trying to make sure people understand that temp is not really a MAJOR factor in turkey breeding same as the moon has not significant role in deer rutting. I will say that this year I have seen some different behavior in turkeys from other years so anything is possible and I wouldnt be the first time I was wrong lol


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#2821900 - 05/05/12 03:46 AM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: REN]
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Thanks REN. I agree with everything you typed. Don't worry, I get things wrong every other day it seems; my boss at work and my wife are always there to remind me too. Thanks again for your input.
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#2822242 - 05/05/12 05:02 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: REN]
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 Originally Posted By: REN
I will see what I can find from all my stuff most is just in memory now. Just for the record I never said never. I know where setter man is coming from and agree for the most part but I won't say with certainty that mother nature can't mix it up from time to time. Yes I think some or most of the claims earlier in the season may have some fabrication or confusion to them but I will not say its not possible. There are some on her that if they said it I wouldn't question it l, however with people you don't know you always have to take everything with a grain of salt.

My main point is just trying to make sure people understand that temp is not really a MAJOR factor in turkey breeding same as the moon has not significant role in deer rutting. I will say that this year I have seen some different behavior in turkeys from other years so anything is possible and I wouldnt be the first time I was wrong lol


Agree with the above. Nothing is impossible in nature, however the reason I question this stuff is the doom and gloomers are the same ones who claim wild stuff. That leads me to have doubts, plus we see pics of everything yet poults tend to elude the camera every time, until later this month.

The other thing that makes me doubt is the size of reported poults being seen, they are reported as being so developed that breeding would have occurred in january. The size ratio doesn't add up and makes me have serious doubts as to the truth behind the reports.

When the season concludes I will post my opinions on this year. Some will be surprised and it will be interesting to most who have done this for a while.

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#2822264 - 05/05/12 06:26 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Setterman]
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Everything thing seems later than usual for me ive never seen toms so dang henned up all day long this time of year!!
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#2822272 - 05/05/12 06:36 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Rockhound]
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 Originally Posted By: Rockhound
Everything thing seems later than usual for me ive never seen toms so dang henned up all day long this time of year!!


It's terrible here as well. Usually by now some are freed up, but everyone has hens, it is tough going in these parts right now.

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#2822383 - 05/05/12 11:59 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Setterman]
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
[quote=Rockhound]Everything thing seems later than usual for me ive never seen toms so dang henned up all day long this time of year!!


It's terrible here as well. Usually by now some are freed up, but everyone has hens, it is tough going in these parts right now. [/quote

Same way here we got two toms that has 9 hens daily and they will not break up
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#2822813 - 05/06/12 07:55 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: REN]
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MODERATOR PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD. too many freaking wanna be biologists versus hunters making observations
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#2822903 - 05/06/12 09:25 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Hunt 365]
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 Originally Posted By: Matt.Wilson
MODERATOR PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD. too many freaking wanna be biologists versus hunters making observations
Check back in during deer season if you think this minuscule debate/discussion is alarming. The Serious Deer Hunting Forum in November will showcase many debating our buck limit and all the negative effects of hunters shooting young bucks. You will really get to see sparks fly as people's emotions runneth over. For the record, my experiences while afield are posted here mainly for sharing my observations in my part of the state in hopes someone may be able to glean something useful from it, nothing more and nothing less. I also enjoy reading other's experiences while afield as there is typically something to be learned from all. I draw general conclusions based on mine and other's past hunting experiences, as well as the literature I read, however, I have never claimed to be a know it all arm chair biologists. I hope my posts do not come across that way. I just wanted to set the record straight on that in case anyone here got that vibe. Happy hunting to all. \:\)


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#2822976 - 05/07/12 03:16 AM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Hunt 365]
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 Originally Posted By: Matt.Wilson
MODERATOR PLEASE DELETE THIS THREAD. too many freaking wanna be biologists versus hunters making observations


Wannabe biologists? Who do you speak of and I hope its not me, because I am pretty sure my degree and research projects would make your statement false.u

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#2823121 - 05/07/12 08:18 AM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Setterman]
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#2823130 - 05/07/12 08:30 AM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Wompuscat]
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hahaha well my degree is in biology and in forestry so im not sure where that leaves me \:\)
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#2823271 - 05/07/12 11:54 AM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: REN]
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#2823280 - 05/07/12 12:01 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: REN]
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hahaha well my degree is in biology and in forestry so im not sure where that leaves me \:\)


Same here when did you attend state?

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#2823281 - 05/07/12 12:02 PM Re: Hatched turkey Egg [Re: Setterman]
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