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#2816631 - 04/27/12 10:34 AM Re: Why [Re: stik]
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You do see the irony in commenting about people that say you should hunt a certain way and then saying how peoPle should hunt?

I know what your saying though and every group has them, to be honest I think the turkey world has the fewest though. Most folks I know believe you kill them how you can as long as its in line with ethics and legal
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#2816675 - 04/27/12 11:19 AM Re: Why [Re: CBU93]
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 Originally Posted By: CBU93
In answer to your original question catman, it all goes back to history and tradition.

The history is that the comeback from near extinction level of the wild turkey to huntable populations to the near nuisance level they can be today is lost on many (and I mean those that have recently taken up the sport in the last 20 years or so). I can still remember the days where there were no birds and very few deer in Maury County. I can still remeber when just hearing a bird gobble made your entire season worhtwhile in West TN.

For those that have historically had populations of birds in areas that legal hunting was possible, very few turkey hunters were successful in killing birds...and those who did consistently kill birds did so with remarkably similiar tactics...therefore the traditional tactics were born in order to breed success amongst less successful turkey hunters. As populations grew, more successful tactics were developed which flew in the face traditionalists causing an elitism among certain factions. Basically those who were taught by traditionalist seem elitist...those who have recently learned on their own are much more open minded.

As for fall turkey hunting, Archibal Rutledge said it best when he claimed the toughest trophy in North America is calling a mature tom to the gun in the fall. Anybody can do it in the spring.
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#2816681 - 04/27/12 11:27 AM Re: Why [Re: catman529]
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Like someone already mentioned, it's not just within turkey hunting circles that elitest attitudes exist. It's plain old human nature.
Stay within legal bounds, practice sound ethics, and HUNT.

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#2816729 - 04/27/12 01:05 PM Re: Why [Re: Boll Weevil]
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 Originally Posted By: Boll Weevil
Like someone already mentioned, it's not just within turkey hunting circles that elitest attitudes exist. It's plain old human nature.
Stay within ethical and legal bounds, practice sound ethics, and HUNT.

Spot on! BEST post I have seen. Stay true to you the hell with everyone else!
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#2816737 - 04/27/12 01:21 PM Re: Why [Re: REN]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: Atchman2
Personally I'm happy if you are happy. \:\) I've never had one come in like they do on tv-never. If they did I'd have killed a bunch of them.

Sometiems I feel bad on the forum I moderate. I moderate the GTA Air Gun forum's Hunting Gate. I simply choose the right weapon for what I'm hunting. If it is an air gun that is cool, but I'm not an elitist and think that the "only" thing I can hunt with is an air gun because I'm a forum moderator. The good thing is those guys are great and if I'm happy they are happy. I cheer just as much for them getting a deer with a bow, shotgun, ML or bow.

Some states allow air gun hunting for turkeys! One of the guys over there got one with a headshot. I wonder how that would go over in TN? \:D
What states allow airgun turkey hunting? I have always wanted to kill one with an air rifle.

 Originally Posted By: RUGER
Not just turkey hunters.
Deer hunters, fishermen, all of these groups have groups within the groups that hunt or fish the "only" right way and heaven forbid you differ from the perfect way and means.


Abide by the law and enjoy the outdoors, leave the rest by the wayside.

In time you will be like many more and forced into holding back on stories and / or pictures of your outdoor activities except to your true friends and hunting partners to escape the "holier than thou" redicule that is so prevelant these days.

As I have said many times and believe it more and more, the hunters worst enemy, is other hunters.

In honor of Buckwild,,,, YMMV.
Aint that right... lot of bickering among deer hunters, and I also don't care much for the typical bass fisherman attitude either. I love bass fishing, know people who love bass fishing, and have nothing against it... just there are those who ride a $20,000 bass boat around big lakes and consider other fish to be low life trash fish that don't deserve the same respect that bass do.

 Originally Posted By: Goshen Valley Boy
I am bothered by this attitude as well. In my opinion, the two most challenging turkeys I have every killed were birds I saw from a distance and was able to stalk up to and kill them.

A lot of folks don't consider that real turkey hunting.

I have killed birds about every way you can, traditional locate/set up/call in, from a ground blind mid day just sitting and waiting, in the fall with a bow from my deer stand, and spot/stalk/belly crawl style.

The two that I stalked were definetly the most challenging. So I don't get the elitist attitude either. Some people just think their way to do things is pure and they are closed minded to all other tactics, but the way I see it, any legal way to harvest your game is a good way.
Stalking is a lot of fun and very rewarding to me. Yeah sometimes a gobbler will get hung up when you call to him, but people so often get a bird fired up and call him in easily. When you stalk you are relying on pure hunting skills, like a real predator, and must avoid being detected as you close the distance instead of getting the bird to close the distance.

 Originally Posted By: REN
You do see the irony in commenting about people that say you should hunt a certain way and then saying how peoPle should hunt?
If you're referring to my original post, let me just point out one thing... I was careful not to say how people should hunt. I said hunt how you want, it's fine with me. Just don't pick on me for hunting a different way. And none of it was directed at you of course, you have been very understanding even though you don't hunt some of the ways I do.
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#2816827 - 04/27/12 03:22 PM Re: Why [Re: CBU93]
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 Originally Posted By: CBU93
In answer to your original question catman, it all goes back to history and tradition.

The history is that the comeback from near extinction level of the wild turkey to huntable populations to the near nuisance level they can be today is lost on many (and I mean those that have recently taken up the sport in the last 20 years or so). I can still remember the days where there were no birds and very few deer in Maury County. I can still remeber when just hearing a bird gobble made your entire season worhtwhile in West TN.
For those that have historically had populations of birds in areas that legal hunting was possible, very few turkey hunters were successful in killing birds...and those who did consistently kill birds did so with remarkably similiar tactics...therefore the traditional tactics were born in order to breed success amongst less successful turkey hunters. As populations grew, more successful tactics were developed which flew in the face traditionalists causing an elitism among certain factions. Basically those who were taught by traditionalist seem elitist...those who have recently learned on their own are much more open minded.

As for fall turkey hunting, Archibal Rutledge said it best when he claimed the toughest trophy in North America is calling a mature tom to the gun in the fall. Anybody can do it in the spring.


Good assessment...you are correct
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#2816849 - 04/27/12 03:48 PM Re: Why [Re: catman529]
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hahah im just saying bud.....

i will try and see if i can make this make sense.

It has nothing to do with how or what i feel it SHOULD be done or I do it right and you do it wrong. I feel that you should always give the game full respect AND give it as much of a fair chase chance as you can. This is not geared toward just turkeys i feel this way for all game.

I have no issues with stalking, however lets be honest...depending on the terrain stalking can be pretty easy to kill birds. Now if you are belly crawling across an open field whithout getting caught then good deal. If you are running down a creek bed to pop up and kill one then not much skill was used there.

again i dont care how you kill them but IMO a turkey HUNTER is one that gives the animal as much a fair chase as you can. Same way i dont agree with Dogs for deer or hogs or shooting anything from a vehicle. Being able to just KILL one doesnt take much skill or effort to me, its all in the things you did leading up to it.

I want to be able to go up against the games best defenses and come away a winner. However there is nothing wrong if you dont feel the same way. Find people that believe in the same hunting styles you do and forget what others say that have issues with it. I want to call at them and them be vocal, if that is not happening its not as fun to me. I am not above stalking them or ambushing them, but it is not a preferred method of hunting to me.


not sure this all came out making sense but hope it did to a degree.
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#2816857 - 04/27/12 03:57 PM Re: Why [Re: REN]
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Yep that makes sense to me.
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#2816995 - 04/27/12 07:51 PM Re: Why [Re: SEC]
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 Originally Posted By: SEC
 Originally Posted By: CBU93
In answer to your original question catman, it all goes back to history and tradition.

The history is that the comeback from near extinction level of the wild turkey to huntable populations to the near nuisance level they can be today is lost on many (and I mean those that have recently taken up the sport in the last 20 years or so). I can still remember the days where there were no birds and very few deer in Maury County. I can still remeber when just hearing a bird gobble made your entire season worhtwhile in West TN.

For those that have historically had populations of birds in areas that legal hunting was possible, very few turkey hunters were successful in killing birds...and those who did consistently kill birds did so with remarkably similiar tactics...therefore the traditional tactics were born in order to breed success amongst less successful turkey hunters. As populations grew, more successful tactics were developed which flew in the face traditionalists causing an elitism among certain factions. Basically those who were taught by traditionalist seem elitist...those who have recently learned on their own are much more open minded.

As for fall turkey hunting, Archibal Rutledge said it best when he claimed the toughest trophy in North America is calling a mature tom to the gun in the fall. Anybody can do it in the spring.
Nice post.
Yep,They also thought it sporting to shoot them off the roost!Most guys who throw a hissy about the way people hunt turkeys have no clue how turkey hunting began in this country.So dont worry about it.
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#2817613 - 04/28/12 11:29 PM Re: Why [Re: timberjack86]
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I'm still stuck at the bushwhacking statement. Snipers have been doing it for years. If I spend as much time learning the birds habits to get a go idea as to where he goes and when, then sneak into a spot that puts him in range, I don't see an issue. Maybe just my opinion but either way you do it you are ambushing the bird. I mean geez he's coming to gun fight with just his spurs on right?
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