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#2808888 - 04/16/12 03:05 PM #2 let me get too close to him on the roost
catman529
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well I hunted all day sunday, camped out in the car overnight, hunted again this morning. Was gonna meet up again with ImThere in the morning but he got called into work. So I headed off to a spot along a creek where I knew they roosted in the area.

I got there just as light started showing in the sky. Quietly crossed the creek to find a place on the other side to set up. I didn't know exactly where they were roosted but it had to be nearby. The wind was gusting a little. Not a constant breeze but enough to help me move along through the woods undetected.

Well I got across the creek and saw the first bird. I was almost under it, not far from the tree at all. It turned out to be a hen. I climbed the bank quietly and there was another bird in a tree 10 yards in front of me. I could see its silhouette against the lightening sky.... but was it a hen or a gobbler?

I barely had time to decide where to set up, then one of the hens made a little noise. The bird in front of me gobbled. I sat down at the nearest tree with the creek behind me. I watched that bird gobble... double gobble even, he was pretty vocal and very close to where I was sitting.

I didn't know if it was legal shooting hours yet - some clouds had rolled in making it seem a little earlier than it was. I shielded the light from my phone while it loaded the current sunrise time, all the while the bird was gobbling.

The sunrise app on my phone loaded and I was glad to see that it was already 8 minutes into legal shooting hours. I figured I might as well just take him off the limb....

Now why shoot him off the limb instead of waiting for him to hit the ground? well pretty simple, I was not set up where I thought I should be. I don't know for sure where he would have flown down to, but if I'm guessing right he would have flown away from the creek uphill. I wanted the birds to be between me and the creek and have them fly to me, but I was between the creek and the gobbler and couldn't go any farther without him probably seeing me. So I had to decide and he was already easily in range.

I could not see his head unless he was gobbling due to tree limbs in the way, but I could see from his neck down. I got a bead on that sucker and squeezed off a round.... birds around me freaked out a bit, and he came crashing to the ground. He hit the ground approx. 10 yards from where I was sitting (roughly stepped it off). He actually broke his breast bone from the impact, but the meat was OK.

The shot was a lucky one - only about inch away from destroying either the beard or the breast. Blew a hole in his crop. Still don't know how it didn't spill out yesterday's meal but it somehow stayed intact, except for the big hole in the skin. A few shot got into the breast but nothing to complain about. I shot him with a Win. Supreme High Velocity 3" #5 shot load.

So at 5:51 AM I had one taking a nice dirt nap. That hunt definitely was a lot shorter than expected.

22 lbs, 5 oz
9 3/4" beard
1 1/8" and 1 3/16" spurs
Public land, Maury County

I was just gonna save the beard and spurs, but screw it... I got that fan salted and pinned out to dry. It was too pretty to throw out I guess. Gotta remember borax next time too...

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I got over 9 1/2 pounds of meat -



One side note -

I figure some of you probably frown on shooting a bird out of the roost, because it's not "playing the game" or however you want to put it. It may not be the same as calling a hot bird in to your gun but hey, it's a legal turkey, it's fair chase, and the meat is just as good. If you don't think it's fair chase then try getting within 10 yards of a tree holding a longbeard on public land, with the bird in plain sight. If that's not fair chase then I don't know what is. It was a heck of a thrill anyway.
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#2808897 - 04/16/12 03:15 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: catman529]
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congrats man, just be prepared....you WILL get some blow back from posting this.

Personally it aint my thing but I am not one to tell anyone else how they should or should not hunt these silly birds.
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#2808898 - 04/16/12 03:15 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: catman529]
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Good job.
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#2808910 - 04/16/12 03:26 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Poser]
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Good job young man.
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#2808911 - 04/16/12 03:27 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: REN]
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 Originally Posted By: REN
congrats man, just be prepared....you WILL get some blow back from posting this.

Personally it aint my thing but I am not one to tell anyone else how they should or should not hunt these silly birds.
Yeah man I know people will jump on it but heck I don't really care that much, it's a legal fair chase bird and I care more about the meat than a lot of people on here apparently do. I'm probably more likely to call one in than to shoot him 10 yd from the roost anyway.
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#2808917 - 04/16/12 03:32 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: catman529]
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If u can get that close 2 one roosted and u want to shoot him more power 2 u. Congrats on the kill.
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#2808920 - 04/16/12 03:35 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: catman529]
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Congrats man! Who cares what people say.
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#2808927 - 04/16/12 03:42 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: catman529]
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Like I said earlier nothing wrong with it! If you hunt for the meat you take them when the opportunity presents itself! Nice bird! And its very hard to get that close to a roosting bird in or out of season! You may not have played the "game" but you are eating turkey instead of "tag soup" lol
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#2808929 - 04/16/12 03:47 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: ImThere]
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There's not much better than outsmarting a public land bird if you ask me. Congrats man,great tom!
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#2808942 - 04/16/12 04:15 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: J-WO]
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nice job man i salute you !!!! congratz and to heck with any nay sayers \:\)
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#2808956 - 04/16/12 04:41 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: sure shot]
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Sweet deal man. Congrats!
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#2808960 - 04/16/12 04:48 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: bowhunterfanatic]
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Completely legal good jbo jonathan
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#2808971 - 04/16/12 05:03 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: spitndrum]
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Man that pic of the meat really has me wanting to grill some tonight haha.
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#2808973 - 04/16/12 05:15 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: sure shot]
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Legal is legal, I would have done it, Congrats
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#2808974 - 04/16/12 05:16 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: REN]
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I have taken a couple off the roost and will do it again. Congrats and that fresh turkey meat does look good!
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#2808976 - 04/16/12 05:20 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: medwc]
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Its refreshing that no one has given you the "holier than thou" treatment(at least, not yet). My attitude that if someone takes legal game by any legal means, its a great trophy. Congrats
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#2808978 - 04/16/12 05:23 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: medwc]
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One of the most dissapointed times hunting I ever had was when I had been hunting a particular bird for several mornings right at the end of the season, but with just a few days left I was standing there at dawn waiting on him to gobble. After a couple of gobbles on the roost BOOOOOOM!!! Some other guy shot him off the roost Sure seens to take the thrill out of it for me. But it is legal.
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#2808980 - 04/16/12 05:28 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: 4onaside]
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Man I forget how pretty those woods are I need to slow down and enjoy the scenery once in a while

X2 4onaside
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#2808982 - 04/16/12 05:34 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: ImThere]
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 Originally Posted By: ImThere
Man I forget how pretty those woods are I need to slow down and enjoy the scenery once in a while

X2 4onaside
yeah man yanahli is a pretty place. I sometimes stop just to take a pic if something stands out.
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#2809042 - 04/16/12 07:23 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: catman529]
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Congrats
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#2809079 - 04/16/12 08:21 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: WingNut]
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 Originally Posted By: WingNut
Congrats man! Who cares what people say.
If you're happy with it, I'm happy for you.
Exactly!!!!
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#2809080 - 04/16/12 08:21 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Phil1979]
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#2809123 - 04/16/12 08:56 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: sure shot]
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congrats i stalked within 45 yards of a big gobbler up there sunday while he was breeding a hen but i didnt take the shot because i wanted my brother to kill him and he got away
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#2809150 - 04/16/12 09:20 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Rockhound]
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CatMan,

You have supported your decision to shoot the bird off the limb on the basis that it's legal and it's "fair chase" because of the difficulty of getting within range of a roosted tom.

Yes, it is legal. However, legal and illegal with regards to game and fish regulations represents only a minimum standard of conduct enforced by a regulatory agency to prevent sportsmen from doing harm to the game/fish species or harm to each other (public safety). In this case, there are not enough turkey hunters shooting birds off the limb to do harm, and it's not a public safety risk. Also, a good game/fish reg must be easily enforceable so even if a game agency wanted to make it illegal to shoot a bird off the limb. How could they enforce it? The officer would have to be within sight of you and the bird to know that you did it. In this case, turkey hunters are allowed to decide whether it's ok to them or not.

To your fair chase argument, it is not difficult to stalk within gun range of roosted birds especially after green up. Why do turkeys roost in trees? To escape predators. One they are in a tree, flushing from the roost is their absolute, last escape option. You almost have to walk directly underneath him. With leaves on the trees, it becomes a situation where you can't see him until he sees you and by that time you are in range.

"Fair chase" is something we each define, but if your argument here is that getting within gun range of a roosted bird is very difficult, I think you come up short.

Finally, I read your posts with enthusiasm and based on what I can tell you are a fairly new hunter. Most of us when we got started went through a stage where blood was what mattered. We lived for the kill, and we gladly walked the line between legal/illegal or ethical/unethical to get that next one. The rush was yo much for us to restrain.

Over the last few years, I have had the pleasure of introducing a lot of new turkey hunters to the sport we love. Getting them to look beyond the kill is one of the biggest challenges I face. Yes, we are there to harvest a bird and bring meat home. What I teach them though is we each get to decide how we do that. What is legal is our first standard, but individually we should strive for a higher standard than simply what is legal. For me, shooting a bird off the limb does not meet that standard.
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#2809158 - 04/16/12 09:29 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: WMAn]
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Great way to post that WMAn and you did it without bashing. I completely agree. Congrats on a fine gobbler though!
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#2809170 - 04/16/12 09:42 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: WMAn]
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 Originally Posted By: WMAn
CatMan,

You have supported your decision to shoot the bird off the limb on the basis that it's legal and it's "fair chase" because of the difficulty of getting within range of a roosted tom.

Yes, it is legal. However, legal and illegal with regards to game and fish regulations represents only a minimum standard of conduct enforced by a regulatory agency to prevent sportsmen from doing harm to the game/fish species or harm to each other (public safety). In this case, there are not enough turkey hunters shooting birds off the limb to do harm, and it's not a public safety risk. Also, a good game/fish reg must be easily enforceable so even if a game agency wanted to make it illegal to shoot a bird off the limb. How could they enforce it? The officer would have to be within sight of you and the bird to know that you did it. In this case, turkey hunters are allowed to decide whether it's ok to them or not.

To your fair chase argument, it is not difficult to stalk within gun range of roosted birds especially after green up. Why do turkeys roost in trees? To escape predators. One they are in a tree, flushing from the roost is their absolute, last escape option. You almost have to walk directly underneath him. With leaves on the trees, it becomes a situation where you can't see him until he sees you and by that time you are in range.

"Fair chase" is something we each define, but if your argument here is that getting within gun range of a roosted bird is very difficult, I think you come up short.

Finally, I read your posts with enthusiasm and based on what I can tell you are a fairly new hunter. Most of us when we got started went through a stage where blood was what mattered. We lived for the kill, and we gladly walked the line between legal/illegal or ethical/unethical to get that next one. The rush was yo much for us to restrain.

Over the last few years, I have had the pleasure of introducing a lot of new turkey hunters to the sport we love. Getting them to look beyond the kill is one of the biggest challenges I face. Yes, we are there to harvest a bird and bring meat home. What I teach them though is we each get to decide how we do that. What is legal is our first standard, but individually we should strive for a higher standard than simply what is legal. For me, shooting a bird off the limb does not meet that standard.
Isn't it a great world we live in where we do not have to meet someone else's standards but only the broader standards set by regulation.

Congrats catman on a fine bird and a good hunt.
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#2809213 - 04/16/12 10:56 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Beekeeper]
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Do it YOUR way Cat, and if at some point in time you decide that its no longer cool for YOU to shoot one off the roost, then do it some other way. But always make it your decision as to how you want to hunt. There are too many judgement passers in our sport anyway for any of us to worry about what they think. "Well its all right now, I've learned my lesson well, you can't please everyone so you might as well please yourself"! The late Ricky Nelson, Garden Party.
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#2809219 - 04/16/12 11:01 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: 4onaside]
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i see both sides. congrats on a nice bird. i shot one off roost as well when i started. your perspective will change with experience
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#2809222 - 04/16/12 11:21 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Beekeeper]
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Thanks Beekeeper

WMAn, yes I am on my 2nd year of turkey hunting and glad to get another bird under my belt whenever I get the chance. I also want as much meat as I can kill legally because living with my family of 7 depletes my turkeys pretty quick.

You admit most of us as beginners go through the kill phase where we just got to kill a bird. I think that's true and in fact it seems normal so why is there a problem with it? Why do you try to get people to look past the kill when it seems to be a pretty normal phase? I know more experienced hunters who would still enjoy shooting one off the limb if they got the chance. I don't see how it's unethical...

It may not be that difficult to sneak up under a roosted bird, but I have no intention of specifically shooting birds off the roost when I hunt. It happened by chance and I took the chance and have meat in freezer and another set of spurs and I'm happy with it. That may not be your way of hunting which is totally fine, but I fail to see what is wrong with it. Trust me I'd rather have one come to my calls or stalk and ambush one. I even make calls so I can feel that sense of accomplishment when I call and kill one with a homemade call. But if I want a bird more than I want to "play the game" on any given day then I will shoot one from the limb if I happen to walk up on him.

Thanks for sharing your opinion without bashing... some people wouldn't be so nice and I don't care for what they have to say.
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#2809235 - 04/17/12 03:50 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: catman529]
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any dead turkey is a good turkey i don't care what LEGAL method you use. congrats on another great bird.
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#2809256 - 04/17/12 04:53 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: stik]
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The only "legal" means of shooting a turkey that I have real problem with is shooting a turkey in flight. and I have observed people shooting at turkeys in flight before.
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#2809258 - 04/17/12 04:56 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Phil1979]
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Very nice going,congrats!!
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#2809261 - 04/17/12 05:34 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
The only "legal" means of shooting a turkey that I have real problem with is shooting a turkey in flight.


why?
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#2809265 - 04/17/12 06:05 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: stik]
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O mercy Popcorn please???
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#2809267 - 04/17/12 06:05 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Beekeeper]
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 Originally Posted By: WMAn
CatMan,

You have supported your decision to shoot the bird off the limb on the basis that it's legal and it's "fair chase" because of the difficulty of getting within range of a roosted tom.

Yes, it is legal. However, legal and illegal with regards to game and fish regulations represents only a minimum standard of conduct enforced by a regulatory agency to prevent sportsmen from doing harm to the game/fish species or harm to each other (public safety). In this case, there are not enough turkey hunters shooting birds off the limb to do harm, and it's not a public safety risk. Also, a good game/fish reg must be easily enforceable so even if a game agency wanted to make it illegal to shoot a bird off the limb. How could they enforce it? The officer would have to be within sight of you and the bird to know that you did it. In this case, turkey hunters are allowed to decide whether it's ok to them or not.

To your fair chase argument, it is not difficult to stalk within gun range of roosted birds especially after green up. Why do turkeys roost in trees? To escape predators. One they are in a tree, flushing from the roost is their absolute, last escape option. You almost have to walk directly underneath him. With leaves on the trees, it becomes a situation where you can't see him until he sees you and by that time you are in range.

"Fair chase" is something we each define, but if your argument here is that getting within gun range of a roosted bird is very difficult, I think you come up short.

Finally, I read your posts with enthusiasm and based on what I can tell you are a fairly new hunter. Most of us when we got started went through a stage where blood was what mattered. We lived for the kill, and we gladly walked the line between legal/illegal or ethical/unethical to get that next one. The rush was yo much for us to restrain.

Over the last few years, I have had the pleasure of introducing a lot of new turkey hunters to the sport we love. Getting them to look beyond the kill is one of the biggest challenges I face. Yes, we are there to harvest a bird and bring meat home. What I teach them though is we each get to decide how we do that. What is legal is our first standard, but individually we should strive for a higher standard than simply what is legal. For me, shooting a bird off the limb does not meet that standard.
Isn't it a great world we live in where we do not have to meet someone else's standards but only the broader standards set by regulation.

Congrats catman on a fine bird and a good hunt.


Ha ha always one right Beekeeper? Good Post!
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#2809294 - 04/17/12 06:38 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: spitndrum]
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I have had the chance more than a few times over the years and have never done it.

I am going to step out of character and just remain quiet on this one.

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#2809316 - 04/17/12 07:39 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Setterman]
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Great bird and a great hunt. As long as you had fun and proud of your hunt then nothing else really matters. Now go get another one.
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#2809341 - 04/17/12 08:12 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: WRbowhunter]
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I take em however i can get em, ive shot off the roost before and shot em flying before. The flying shots are extremely easy when you can make turkey drives during the fall:)

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#2809342 - 04/17/12 08:13 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: WRbowhunter]
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I killed a couple that way when I first got started. Its just too much fun calling them in now to shoot them out of the tree. Congrats though on a Public land bird.
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#2809364 - 04/17/12 08:30 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: bvoss]
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Congrats man! Nice bird!

I've let ONE fly down that I could have shot off roost that I never got a second chance at, and I'll gurantee you I won't let the next one get away so easily ;\) . Maybe if I had some private property loaded with birds like some people have, or if I got to take off a whole bunch of time to hunt like some have the luxury to do, or if I had pretty much any means of killing more than a bird or 2 a year in the limited amount of time and resources that I have to go hunting, I may pass up the ever so slightly easier route to bag a bird. But til then, I'm doing whatever it takes to put some meat in the freezer and get satisfaction out of my hunt \:\)

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#2809375 - 04/17/12 08:52 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Baxter83]
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Like i said i personally dont care to do it but hey if it is something you are fine with by all means. legal is legal.

having said that, lets at least call a spade a spade. Turkeys have terrible night vision and depend on hearing in the low light conditions. so sneaking up on a turkey in the dark on a windy morning in full greenage is not a ton of skill.

having said THAT, its not a contest of skill as each hunter has different purposes. I know catman is a true meat guy so i got no issues with how or what he did for the bird. I believe his intentions were pure.

I am more surprised Setterhook kept his opinions to himself on the subject hahahahah

I am also impressed this has not turned into a full on debate yet as i know this is a very touchy subject to some
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#2809407 - 04/17/12 09:54 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: REN]
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Nice bird, congrats to ya.
As far as shooting them off the roost............never done it and probably never will, but.......i'm fortunate that I can step out the back door and be turkey hunting on my own property. I know that if I see a Tom and don't get him that particular day I can "probably" have an encounter with him another day. You can't say that hunting public property or on property where someone else is going to be hunting. I don't blame you one bit, hunting public property is a whole nuther ball game.
I say whatever floats your boat, if you feel ok doing it, if you are within the law, and are going to eat the meat, have at it!!
Again, congrats on a nice bird.
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#2809416 - 04/17/12 10:04 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: bigtex]
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Congrats!
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#2809473 - 04/17/12 11:59 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: TheAirMan]
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Congrats catman. Nice bird.
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#2809492 - 04/17/12 12:23 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Gravey]
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Nice turkey Catman, congrats!!
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#2809595 - 04/17/12 02:17 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: catman529]
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You did a lot better than a lot of hunters. Congrats. I bet it eats good.
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#2809612 - 04/17/12 02:32 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: REN]
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 Originally Posted By: Baxter83
Congrats man! Nice bird!

I've let ONE fly down that I could have shot off roost that I never got a second chance at, and I'll gurantee you I won't let the next one get away so easily ;\) . Maybe if I had some private property loaded with birds like some people have, or if I got to take off a whole bunch of time to hunt like some have the luxury to do, or if I had pretty much any means of killing more than a bird or 2 a year in the limited amount of time and resources that I have to go hunting, I may pass up the ever so slightly easier route to bag a bird. But til then, I'm doing whatever it takes to put some meat in the freezer and get satisfaction out of my hunt \:\)
That's my thinking... right now I can only hunt once a week so I make that as long a trip as possible, which right now is a day and a half. Still that doesn't give me the time in the woods that I really want, so if I want the meat and have a couple tags and happen to walk under a roosted bird then he's dinner for me. However next weekend when I'm out chasing them again I would prefer to call one in. I've filled half of my tags now so there is less urgency for me to kill one. although the meat still goes fast....


 Originally Posted By: REN
having said that, lets at least call a spade a spade. Turkeys have terrible night vision and depend on hearing in the low light conditions. so sneaking up on a turkey in the dark on a windy morning in full greenage is not a ton of skill.
being a fairly new turkey hunter, I was not aware of that. I figured their vision was still good even in low light. Even though it was not that windy yet (just the occasional gust) it wasn't that hard to get as close as I did to the birds.

The end result is always the same though... the meat tastes just as good.... long as it's legal....
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#2809638 - 04/17/12 03:13 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: catman529]
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Congrats on the bird...you put your time in and you did it legal. It would have been easy to come on here and just simply say that you roosted a bird and when he pitched down you shot him. Story over...nobody gets their panties in a wad. But you told the truth knowing you might face some backlash and for that I commend you.

Some people are quick to tell you how you should conduct yourself, but are much less willing to put your shoes on and walk in them for a few miles.

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#2809645 - 04/17/12 03:18 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: BuckWild]
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thanks BuckWild. I wouldn't make up a story and post it on here, so I told it like it was and I'm not ashamed of it... doesn't take much to stir the pot here on certain subjects anyway, but I'm OK with it.
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#2809818 - 04/17/12 08:27 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: catman529]
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Everyone has an opinion but give me 1000 hunters shooting turkeys off the limb legally instead of off a road illegally. I've never even thought of taking one off the limb but I don't have a problem in the world with what you did. Sounds like you were in the right place at the right time and even had the ethics to check for legal shooting time. Sounds like a good morning too me. Congrats.
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#2809865 - 04/17/12 09:43 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
The only "legal" means of shooting a turkey that I have real problem with is shooting a turkey in flight. and I have observed people shooting at turkeys in flight before.
Bushwhacking,ambushing,calling or flushing them quail its all turkey hunting.I have killed them on the fly up on the fly down and every way in between turkey hunting with a shotgun is to me as pure of a sport as it gets.Some people just claim to have called up every turkey they ever killed.

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#2809902 - 04/17/12 10:39 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: catman529]
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#2809919 - 04/17/12 11:46 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: SEC]
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 Originally Posted By: SEC
 Originally Posted By: Poser
The only "legal" means of shooting a turkey that I have real problem with is shooting a turkey in flight. and I have observed people shooting at turkeys in flight before.
Bushwhacking,ambushing,calling or flushing them quail its all turkey hunting.I have killed them on the fly up on the fly down and every way in between turkey hunting with a shotgun is to me as pure of a sport as it gets.Some people just claim to have called up every turkey they ever killed.


We ain't talking about Canadian Geese here. The typical male turkey has at least 4 pounds on the largest Canadian Geese out there. I have seen turkeys in flight shot at and hit, at least in-directly, 4 times and continute to fly with injury. They are large birds that are very tough (I recently went to combat with one hand to hand and I have a new respect for how tough and strong they are).

I do not agree with it, nor respect it. Take that for what it is, find offense if you interpret it to be such, crack a tooth on a turkey breast, or what is left of it, full of lead, watch one continue to fly off with a gimp wing and a set of legs that will still out run you.
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#2809920 - 04/18/12 12:01 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: SEC
 Originally Posted By: Poser
The only "legal" means of shooting a turkey that I have real problem with is shooting a turkey in flight. and I have observed people shooting at turkeys in flight before.
Bushwhacking,ambushing,calling or flushing them quail its all turkey hunting.I have killed them on the fly up on the fly down and every way in between turkey hunting with a shotgun is to me as pure of a sport as it gets.Some people just claim to have called up every turkey they ever killed.


We ain't talking about Canadian Geese here. The typical male turkey has at least 4 pounds on the largest Canadian Geese out there. I have seen turkeys in flight shot at and hit, at least in-directly, 4 times and continute to fly with injury. They are large birds that are very tough (I recently went to combat with one hand to hand and I have a new respect for how tough and strong they are).

I do not agree with it, nor respect it. Take that for what it is, find offense if you interpret it to be such, crack a tooth on a turkey breast, or what is left of it, full of lead, watch one continue to fly off with a gimp wing and a set of legs that will still out run you.
Good point I never thought of... I'm not a good enough shot to shoot one on the wing anyway, but I would hate to wound one either way. I wonder if a 10 gauge 3.5" shell might possibly be a bit more ethical.... not to the hunter's shoulder though.

As for geese they are not that strong... I grabbed one by the neck once, pinned his wings down, held him under my arm for a pic and let him go unharmed \:D I'd love to grab a turkey by the neck and then shoot it, but maybe not one with big ole spurs... wonder if I could grab a hen from a blind in the fall? Might not turn over well with some people here though...


Edited by catman529 (04/18/12 12:03 AM)
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#2810015 - 04/18/12 08:14 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: catman529]
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Congrats catman! Nice bird!
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#2810034 - 04/18/12 08:37 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Buck Assassin]
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#2810108 - 04/18/12 10:45 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: SEC
 Originally Posted By: Poser
The only "legal" means of shooting a turkey that I have real problem with is shooting a turkey in flight. and I have observed people shooting at turkeys in flight before.
Bushwhacking,ambushing,calling or flushing them quail its all turkey hunting.I have killed them on the fly up on the fly down and every way in between turkey hunting with a shotgun is to me as pure of a sport as it gets.Some people just claim to have called up every turkey they ever killed.


We ain't talking about Canadian Geese here. The typical male turkey has at least 4 pounds on the largest Canadian Geese out there. I have seen turkeys in flight shot at and hit, at least in-directly, 4 times and continute to fly with injury. They are large birds that are very tough (I recently went to combat with one hand to hand and I have a new respect for how tough and strong they are).

I do not agree with it, nor respect it. Take that for what it is, find offense if you interpret it to be such, crack a tooth on a turkey breast, or what is left of it, full of lead, watch one continue to fly off with a gimp wing and a set of legs that will still out run you.
Good point I never thought of... I'm not a good enough shot to shoot one on the wing anyway, but I would hate to wound one either way. I wonder if a 10 gauge 3.5" shell might possibly be a bit more ethical.... not to the hunter's shoulder though.

As for geese they are not that strong... I grabbed one by the neck once, pinned his wings down, held him under my arm for a pic and let him go unharmed \:D I'd love to grab a turkey by the neck and then shoot it, but maybe not one with big ole spurs... wonder if I could grab a hen from a blind in the fall? Might not turn over well with some people here though...


I saw a kid grab a Canadian Geese at a park one time and the Goose delivered its full "payload" all over the kid. I like eating eating Geese, but man, cleaning them.... whooo, they have some stinky arses.
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#2810174 - 04/18/12 12:34 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Poser]
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\:D guess I was lucky then. I step in their darn "payload" every time I fish a pond. Have not hunted them before - would like to taste one sometime. Same with dux.
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#2810196 - 04/18/12 01:03 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
:D guess I was lucky then. I step in their darn "payload" every time I fish a pond. Have not hunted them before - would like to taste one sometime. Same with dux.


Many hunters will tell you that they are not good and that they are "sky carp", but don't let the words of our less-than-minimal-culinary-skilled brethren deceive you: they are as good as most ducks. The key, and this is true with any waterfowl, is to pluck them and keep the skin. Without the skin, they are useless for anything other than sausage making, stew/gumbo, making poppers with bacon, or pounding them out into razor thin pieces and frying them.

If you keep the skin on, you can serve up a whole Goose on Christmas day, serve roasted wings and legs, do all kinds of great meals. Again, though... they have some of the stinkiest innards around. When you cut into one's rear, you'll know exactly where all that "payload" comes from.
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#2810215 - 04/18/12 01:23 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Poser]
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well I've heard good things about duck so I have to try sometime. Are wood ducks good eating? Thinking of floating my boat down the river a few times during wood duck/teal season and maybe getting one or two.
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#2810220 - 04/18/12 01:29 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: catman529]
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well I've heard good things about duck so I have to try sometime. Are wood ducks good eating? Thinking of floating my boat down the river a few times during wood duck/teal season and maybe getting one or two.


Wood ducks are some of the best eating. They are fast, though.
Hit me up in the Winter and I'll share my (rather involved) duck plucking technique for maximum yield.
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#2810227 - 04/18/12 01:44 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: catman529]
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Oh goodness carp fishing and limb shooting may not be any hope for ya! Jk cat congrats man.
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#2810230 - 04/18/12 01:46 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: TNTomtaker01]
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Oh and geese (Canadian and snows) make excellent jerky
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#2810387 - 04/18/12 06:34 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: TNTomtaker01]
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#2810425 - 04/18/12 07:10 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: baller_9]
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Congratulations on a fine bird man, keep it up.
I enjoy your pictures and stories and watching you grow as a hunter.

My hat is off to you.
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#2810458 - 04/18/12 07:54 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: RUGER]
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Congrats! Someone told me limb shooting them was illegal I am glad to hear it is not. i thought that was a dumb law if it were true. Again congrats on a fine bird.
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#2810600 - 04/18/12 11:39 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Bone Collector]
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the one CANADA goose i killed and cooked was very good. i just skinned it and put it in a roasting bag in the oven for about 3 hrs.

as for wingshooting turkeys, i have no experience with it and therefore no opinion. i just find it odd that some consider it unethical yet if you shoot most any other bird other than on the wing, well then, that is considered unethical by most.
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#2810686 - 04/19/12 07:21 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: stik]
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the one CANADA goose i killed and cooked was very good. i just skinned it and put it in a roasting bag in the oven for about 3 hrs.

as for wingshooting turkeys, i have no experience with it and therefore no opinion. i just find it odd that some consider it unethical yet if you shoot most any other bird other than on the wing, well then, that is considered unethical by most.


The problem is, in my opinion, a turkey is far heavier, contains far more muscle tissue, and is larger than any other upland game bird:

Ring necked pheasant
Bobwhite quail
Blue Grouse
Ruffed Grouse
Sharptailed Grouse
Sage Grouse
Hungarian Partridge
Chukar
California Quail
Snipe
Woodcock
Scaled Quail
Prairie Chicken
Mountain Quail
Doves
Pigeons
Ptarmigan

I'm not saying that it can't be killed shot on the wing, because it certainly can, but I have seen a turkey in flight shot 4 times, knocked out of the air and hit the ground running. The body shot necessary to effectively incapacitate a turkey seems like it would do too much damage to the meat to be ethical and a effective head shot in flight with a typical turkey setup/pattern is a difficult shot. Again, not saying that it can't be done and that it is not done, just saying that I personally do not approve of it.
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#2810769 - 04/19/12 09:53 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: sure shot]
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#2810871 - 04/19/12 12:38 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser


The problem is, in my opinion, a turkey is far heavier, contains far more muscle tissue, and is larger than any other upland game bird:

Ring necked pheasant
Bobwhite quail
Blue Grouse
Ruffed Grouse
Sharptailed Grouse
Sage Grouse
Hungarian Partridge
Chukar
California Quail
Snipe
Woodcock
Scaled Quail
Prairie Chicken
Mountain Quail
Doves
Pigeons
Ptarmigan

I'm not saying that it can't be killed shot on the wing, because it certainly can, but I have seen a turkey in flight shot 4 times, knocked out of the air and hit the ground running. The body shot necessary to effectively incapacitate a turkey seems like it would do too much damage to the meat to be ethical and a effective head shot in flight with a typical turkey setup/pattern is a difficult shot. Again, not saying that it can't be done and that it is not done, just saying that I personally do not approve of it.



i can respect that opinion. thanks.
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#2810884 - 04/19/12 12:58 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: stik]
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To wing shoot a turkey, you still have to focus on the neck and head. It isn't that hard to hit with a shotgun. If you can hit a dove, then you should be albe to pop a turkeys noggin in flight. They aren't that fast once airborn. But I also know how easy it is just to go for the whole bird in the heat of the moment. I agree with Poser on their toughness. They are super tough birds. I have made them fold like a dishrag, then hit the ground running. That's a tough pill to swallow. I will still take a shot in flight if I have a good shot at the neck and head though. It just depends on how the shot looks at that moment.
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#2811782 - 04/20/12 05:54 PM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: stik]
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Agree with or disagree with it was a legal bird.

So congrats on your bird.

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#2878415 - 07/18/12 10:11 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: WMAn]
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CatMan,

You have supported your decision to shoot the bird off the limb on the basis that it's legal and it's "fair chase" because of the difficulty of getting within range of a roosted tom.

Yes, it is legal. However, legal and illegal with regards to game and fish regulations represents only a minimum standard of conduct enforced by a regulatory agency to prevent sportsmen from doing harm to the game/fish species or harm to each other (public safety). In this case, there are not enough turkey hunters shooting birds off the limb to do harm, and it's not a public safety risk. Also, a good game/fish reg must be easily enforceable so even if a game agency wanted to make it illegal to shoot a bird off the limb. How could they enforce it? The officer would have to be within sight of you and the bird to know that you did it. In this case, turkey hunters are allowed to decide whether it's ok to them or not.

To your fair chase argument, it is not difficult to stalk within gun range of roosted birds especially after green up. Why do turkeys roost in trees? To escape predators. One they are in a tree, flushing from the roost is their absolute, last escape option. You almost have to walk directly underneath him. With leaves on the trees, it becomes a situation where you can't see him until he sees you and by that time you are in range.

"Fair chase" is something we each define, but if your argument here is that getting within gun range of a roosted bird is very difficult, I think you come up short.

Finally, I read your posts with enthusiasm and based on what I can tell you are a fairly new hunter. Most of us when we got started went through a stage where blood was what mattered. We lived for the kill, and we gladly walked the line between legal/illegal or ethical/unethical to get that next one. The rush was yo much for us to restrain.

Over the last few years, I have had the pleasure of introducing a lot of new turkey hunters to the sport we love. Getting them to look beyond the kill is one of the biggest challenges I face. Yes, we are there to harvest a bird and bring meat home. What I teach them though is we each get to decide how we do that. What is legal is our first standard, but individually we should strive for a higher standard than simply what is legal. For me, shooting a bird off the limb does not meet that standard.


well stated..

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#2924386 - 08/29/12 07:19 AM Re: #2 let me get too close to him on the roost [Re: sure shot]
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