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#280867 - 06/28/07 11:18 AM Sawtooth Oak Question
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Found what I thought to be a good deal a few days ago so I bought 5 sawtooth oaks, ranging from 9-15ft.tall. My question for ya'll is how far apart do I need to space them? My set up is like this, I have a ridge that runs north/south for approx. 400 yrds., is approx. 75 yards wide, and ends at TVA powerlines. There are a few mixed red and white oaks along this flat ridge, but no real concentration of them. I've thought about putting them in the middle of the ridge line which seems to be a natural crossing for deer and turky anyway. What do you fellas think? Also, I may have an opportunity to get more.
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#280931 - 06/28/07 12:30 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: Food Plot 101]
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25 to 30 ft apart thats just me thats how i would plant them
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#281076 - 06/28/07 03:29 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: hunter drew]
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Don't put them out now. Wait til fall of the year. Just keep them watered til then.

Depends if your gonna get more. If you stay with 5 ,.. i would scatter them out among the 400 yards. Say every 75 yards. BUT,.. not within 50 yards of the powerline.

If its a open area,.. keep it open as much as possible. The browse in a open area that size is more valuable than any tree you can put in the ground.
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#281629 - 06/28/07 11:02 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: deerchaser007]
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I've got to get them in the ground. The pots they're in are small and the daily breeze knocks them down. I can water them fairly easily on almost a daily basis. The way we've been getting rain up here I may not have to do that. About the powerline, is it the spraying they do or the electricity for the 50yrds.?
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#281717 - 06/29/07 03:58 AM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: Food Plot 101]
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When you remove the trees from the pot if the roots have circled the outside of the pot take pruners and cut the roots from top to bottom four or fives times on the outside. This will make the roots branch out into the soil.
Many trees grown in containers are grown in too small of a pot and become root bound. Container grown trees have also recived all the water and nutrition from the growing media in the pot, therefore they will have to be watered until the roots become established in the surrounding soil
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#282187 - 06/29/07 01:37 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: Tree Man]
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Thanks Tree Man. I'll check on that but the watering won't be an issue.
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#282315 - 06/29/07 03:29 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: Food Plot 101]
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The spraying and the trimming they do to keep trees so far away from them. You get it to close and they'll cut it down for you.
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#298736 - 07/13/07 01:44 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: deerchaser007]
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I dont know what kind of luck you will have but we got on the TWRA plan i think around 10 to 12 years ago and set out over 600 sawtooth oaks. NOT 1 Acorn yet? I set out a couple in the my yard and kept them fertilized very good and they are growing very fast, approx. 35 to 45 foot tall. NO ACORNS ? Also have heard other people say the same thing about there trees?
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#298813 - 07/13/07 02:45 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: woodswarrior]
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I believe that would SUCK! I don't have enough time or money invested in these if mine do the same. Seriously, you put 600 trees in the ground w/o any producing? Sorry about your luck. I'd be kickin' somebody in the nutz! lmao
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#298911 - 07/13/07 03:57 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: Food Plot 101]
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I have 8 in my yard that are about 15 years old. They are about 30-40 feet tall and are almost a nuisance they have so many acorns. The kids rake and pick them up by the 5 gallon buckets full in the fall. Still I have literally hundreds that sprout from acorns mashed into the yard every spring. The freeze hurt them this year but they still have several acorns on them. They make a beautiful shade tree as well. You have to trim the lower limbs to mow around as they do have limbs close to the ground.
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#302160 - 07/16/07 10:08 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: ]
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If you don't place them fairly close together, you may have pollination problems. This occurs when the wind, bees, and other insects don't fertilize the bud in the spring, causing the tree not to produce acorns.
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#303007 - 07/17/07 04:02 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: holstonangler]
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 Originally Posted By: holstonangler
If you don't place them fairly close together, you may have pollination problems. This occurs when the wind, bees, and other insects don't fertilize the bud in the spring, causing the tree not to produce acorns.



interesting,.. i didn't know this. Thanks for sharing that info.
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#304824 - 07/18/07 10:35 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: ]
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Get some advice about "why" they arent producing. There should be something to help?
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#305730 - 07/19/07 04:58 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: Food Plot 101]
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Man where did you score those at? Nice trees!
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#305792 - 07/19/07 05:55 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: TS_13]
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K-Mart of all places. They didn't have a lot of them but who cares. I got some live oaks, water oaks and persimmon trees too. Oh, and 2 peach trees, 2 pear trees and an apple tree. Think I'm gonna be busy here before long!
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#306565 - 07/20/07 08:14 AM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: Food Plot 101]
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Seriously! I have been looking for sawtooth and persimmons.... which k-mart? I live in hendersonville... (i am not going to buy them up....)
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#306979 - 07/20/07 02:36 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: TS_13]
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In G'ville. Help yo self! This has been a few weeks ago. Like I said, they had very few left, especially after me and my bro bought ours.
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#309544 - 07/23/07 08:05 AM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: Food Plot 101]
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i went by. Got 2 Persimmons at G-ville, then hit the one in H town, scored one more there..... Thanks for the tip! I will look out next year! If you hear of any more drop me a line.
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#310050 - 07/23/07 03:10 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: TS_13]
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Same here.
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#311023 - 07/24/07 08:54 AM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: TS_13]
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i bought several sawtooth oaks at lowes in h ville that where in 3 gal containers. i bought 2 a rogers in gallatin that are 3 inches in diameter a over 12 feet tall.
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#311034 - 07/24/07 09:00 AM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: brier rabbit]
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and by the way sawtooth oaks needs about 25 hr of sun light a day or they will not produce acorns.
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#311125 - 07/24/07 09:53 AM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: brier rabbit]
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I believe you mean 2 1/2 hrs. of sunlight per day? How much did you pay for the 12 foot oaks?
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#311589 - 07/24/07 03:46 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: Food Plot 101]
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Hey guys I am sure you probably know this, but when you plant use some "Natures Helper" helps with the drought and rooting. Just FYI
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#311625 - 07/24/07 04:37 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: TS_13]
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That would be some sort of potting soil w/ fert. , right?
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#311912 - 07/24/07 09:04 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: Food Plot 101]
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no i mean 25 hrs aday. they need lots of sun, this is acording to ky fish and game. they will grow in partial sun but will not produce acorns. i payed 75.00 each, but they had a little freeze damage. they are doing fine, have new growth on them.
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#312187 - 07/24/07 10:43 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: brier rabbit]
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Dang Bob, for that much cabbage I hope they came and planted them for you. Call me when you're going to get some next Spring. There are much better deals out there!
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#312500 - 07/25/07 08:43 AM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: Food Plot 101]
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Its really good soil conditioner. It hold H20 and promotes fast root growth... Not too expensive but well worth the money!
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#312593 - 07/25/07 10:16 AM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: Food Plot 101]
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thanks for the offer. no i had to plant them. ive look around and for the size i thought it was a good deal? they are over 3 1/2 inch caliper on the trunk. i hope to get some acorns next year.i bought 6 at lowes last fall and for 5.00 close out, #3 pots, i replanted them in mineral tube containers and filled them with composted horse manure. they are starting to grow pritty fast. i also bought apple,pare,plum trees. autumolive burning bushes and a few other plants that deer like to eat.i am trying to get my farm it to very good deer habitat. trying to improve the deer, i moved down here from montana and was a little dissapoited in the deer herd. the 3 buck limit has shore helped.
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#313741 - 07/25/07 11:29 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: brier rabbit]
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I'm doing the same thing with the fruit trees, etc. Don't be disappointed in the deer herd, Bob. The state Record non-typical came from Sumner County, 242" and some change. Plus, although smaller in body size, there are many more deer per square mile in the county you're in than in the densest MT areas. There are some big deer around! But I've seen some of the deer that come from MT and they are very nice. My last 2 bucks from Sumner County were over 200lbs. whole.
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#313927 - 07/26/07 07:30 AM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: Food Plot 101]
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yes i saw the deer at bass pro, very impressive. i have taken several nice bucks off my farm. with all of my land management,food plots,minerals and trees i am seeing a slow but steady improvement in the herd. but i still have not seen 100 deer in any feilds in tn, like i would on the milk river.
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#314200 - 07/26/07 10:10 AM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: brier rabbit]
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Too many road hunters in TN for that! I know of a 1/2 mile stretch in Sumner County where I regularly see 20-40 but not 100. But outside of the Milk River basin, there are lots of areas where I'll bet there are very few deer per square mile. Are you in Gallatin or H'ville?
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#314361 - 07/26/07 11:16 AM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: Food Plot 101]
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Hey guys, what minerals do you put out? I put out some mineral blocks and they havent touched them! What do ya'll use?
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#314460 - 07/26/07 12:09 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: Food Plot 101]
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i live up in bethpage. you are right to many road hunters.... but their are still good bucks every year, just think what it would be like with out the poching....
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#314464 - 07/26/07 12:12 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: TS_13]
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i put out mostly trophy rock and 30-06 mineral. i have tryed just about everything else but nothing comes close to either of these two.
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#314509 - 07/26/07 12:40 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: brier rabbit]
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Works pretty good? Like I said i put out mineral blocks, I think they were for cows though, and they havent touched them! Nothing has.....I will look into the other thanks.
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#315716 - 07/27/07 10:00 AM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: TS_13]
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I'm doing a 3 way test between Trophy Rock, Bag R Buck and Trace Mineral block. The results so far might surprise you. TS, do you have a good trail cam set up on the mineral blocks? Do you have a water source close by? If you don't have a camera set up, muddy up the ground around the mineral block so you can actually see the tracks.
I haven't had as much activity this year as I thought I would.

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#315992 - 07/27/07 02:42 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: Food Plot 101]
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No I dont have a cam. I put it beside a salt lick (5ft), it still has the sharp corners! hahaha... I put it out the 1st of March. I just read somewhere that I should have mixed it in with salt... that the minerals are bitter to them? Yeah I have a pond about 50yds away I might tote some H20. Or just use some I am watering my persimmons with. Hey thanks again for the heads up on the trees. If you get any leads on oaks and persimmons next year let me know!
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#316604 - 07/27/07 10:39 PM Re: Sawtooth Oak Question [Re: TS_13]
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Good post guys. Very informative.
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