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#279647 - 06/27/07 10:23 AM Poison Ivy / Oak
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The tree I want to put my stand on over my food plot is over run with the poison stuff. It goes up the tree 50 ft or so and covers the trunk all the way around. What is the best way to get rid of it without hurting the tree? Will Round Up work? If so do I need to spray all the way up the plant or just the base?

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Once it is dead, how long do I need to wait before the plant is harmless to touch so I can pull it down?

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#279651 - 06/27/07 10:24 AM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: JWW4]
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I would take a hatchet and simply cut all the vines near the ground and spray where they are growing from. Wear gloves and a long sleeve shirt when pulling it down.
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#279677 - 06/27/07 10:48 AM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: Winchester]
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From what I quickly read on a couple of internet sites after getting some the other day, I would go with Winchester's advice and be careful. Apparently the oil which causes an allergic reaction (the rash) affects the vast majority of us; even some who were once immune to it eventually get it and I think some even become immune to it over time. Either way most of us can get it. The oil can last for years, even after the plant dies. It can stay on your shirts, pants, gloves, etc. over the year so wash them after you cut it down. One example I read is if you get it on your hunting jacket and hang it up only to use it a year later, you may get hit again if the oil is still on the jacket. Do a google search to research. I need to go back myself. I think for most of us that there is a sense of urgency of 30 minutes to get it off of your skin after it gets on you in order to avoid a reaction. I cannot remember about washing, but there may have been some warning about not spreading it through a simple washing of the hands. There may have been something about applying rubbing alcohol first. Anyway, that was not much help, I suppose I should have researched it myself before responding.
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#279679 - 06/27/07 10:50 AM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: Winchester]
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What Winchester said.

The vines will never be harmless to touch - the irritant chemical (urishinol???) doesn't break down over time, and is in the leaves and vines.

Tip: do not burn the vines and inhale any of the smoke - some of the irritant chemical gets vaporized and it is a great way to end up in the hospital - imagine oozing poison ivy sores in your airways and lungs!

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#279685 - 06/27/07 10:57 AM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: WRF]
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From yesterday's "Tennessean" Newspaper... thought it was interesting the myths we learn...

The poison ivy rash is not contagious. In other words, it cannot spread from person to person.

You can get poison ivy from a dead plant. The resin is still active for up to 5 years.

Nobody is immune to poison ivy.

The more you are exposed to poison ivy, the more likely you are to break out.

Direct contact with the plant is the only way to be infected.

Breaking the blisters on the rash will not make it spread.
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#279721 - 06/27/07 11:35 AM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: gil1]
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Nobody is immune to poison ivy.

Actually, people who have been exposed repeatedly to poison oak (more powerful than poison ivy) can become almost completely immune to poison ivy. I am. As a kid, I was exposed repeatedly to the much more power poison oak out west, and now I'm nearly completely immune to poison ivy. I've proven to disbelievers by rolling in the stuff and rubbing it all over me. I regularly swing on poison ivy vines. The only chance I have of getting a breakout is if I have a break in the skin, such as a scratch. Then I will get a mild line of bumps right down the scratch that disappear in a day or two. No itching.

Here's another interesting ridbit about poison ivy. Once you've been exposed and had a reaction, your histamine system remembers it. If you are exposed again, your histamine system will produce another rash in the same place, even if that part of your body wasn't exposed to the chemical a second time. In essence, you will get it in the old exposure location and the new.

My wife is so alergic to poison ivy that if she touches it with a finger, she will break out on every part of her body that has ever been exposed to it.

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#279731 - 06/27/07 11:39 AM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: BSK]
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You're a lucky man. If I think about it, I get it.
Got a fishing/hunting buddy like that. He can wipe his arse with the stuff and never get it. Mosquitoes won't bite him either. Ticks me off!

I wondered about that when I read it in the paper. I'm just the messenger...
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#279741 - 06/27/07 11:47 AM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: BSK]
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My sister-in-law is extremely allergic to poision ivy / poison oak, etc. She can (and does) get a reaction if she has contact with a dog that has been in been in it. She has a boxer that gets out and rubs up against a tree in her backyard that has a big vine growing up it, and will break out within a couple of hours after having the dog rub up against her or if she pets it.

If you wash the body part that has come in contact with it very soon after exposure with COLD water and soap, you can avoid a bad case of the rash. If you use hot water to wash with, that helps the oil to penetrate through the skin and increases blood flow to that region which will result in a more severe rash.

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#279765 - 06/27/07 12:37 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: woodchuckc]
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There is also a product you can wash with that breaks down the oils. I think it's called "tecnu" or something like that.
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#279791 - 06/27/07 01:00 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: BSK]
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Im pretty well immune under normal conditions. I have to literally break the vines and rub them all over to get it. Thought I was totally immune myself until a few years ago, was hanging a loc on and literally tearing vines larger than my thumb off and breaking them out of the way. I ended up with my first bad case all over my face.
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#280071 - 06/27/07 05:34 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: Winchester]
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Any soap will break down the oils as well as isopropal alcohol. Tyipically, exposed skin should be thorougly washed within 60 minutes of exposure. However, for mitigatave measures, Ivy Block, sold in most stores, is EXTREMELY effective in preveting absorbtion of the toxic oils if applied pre-entry.
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#280297 - 06/27/07 08:49 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: HOOK]
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My Dermatologist prescribed me "Temovate Cream" (topical steroid) five years ago when I experienced a bad case of poison ivy. By FAR the best topical cream I have ever used, and I have used many. I have continued to use it for the last five years and it still amazes me with it's healing ability. It reliefs all itching/burning in 12-36hrs and completely clears up the sores in 2-4 days.
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#280351 - 06/27/07 09:22 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: Andy S.]
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I'm glad that I'm not allergic to it. Its the chiggers that live on or near the stuff that skeer me.
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#280353 - 06/27/07 09:23 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: Andy S.]
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witch hazel helps breakdown the oils and relieve itching also
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#280361 - 06/27/07 09:33 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: Chris Tripp]
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Gil, dont you know not to believe anything in the tennessean. I hate poison IVY I used to get it all the time until I started spraying down with Right Guard deodorant. It blocks the oils from touching your skin...well it works for me.
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#280380 - 06/27/07 09:48 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: trealtree]
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I wash with a touch of bleach in cool water (don't need much bleach) to break down the oil. Works for me.
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#280387 - 06/27/07 09:52 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: Greg .]
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like BSK, I am pretty much immune, unless it gets in a cut or scar
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#280388 - 06/27/07 09:53 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: trealtree]
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 Originally Posted By: J&JGUIDE
Gil, dont you know not to believe anything in the tennessean. I hate poison IVY I used to get it all the time until I started spraying down with Right Guard deodorant. It blocks the oils from touching your skin...well it works for me.

I'm sure you smell very manly and don't perspire in the woods, but I wouldn't want Ultragel Sport Invisible Cool-Peak shyt slathered head to toe when I go afeeshin'!

My phobia - not snakes, spiders, bees, or poisonous plants. Seed ticks will make me scream like a little girl! \:o
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#280392 - 06/27/07 10:01 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: gil1]
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You dont use the stick deodorant goober...lol Use the "Spray" you get it at the dollar store for about 2 dollars. I spray it all over and it really doesnt smell at all after it dries. It works in potato guns also.
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#280397 - 06/27/07 10:04 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: trealtree]
Chris Tripp
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that spray also helps prevent insect bites
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#280405 - 06/27/07 10:11 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: Chris Tripp]
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The picture in my mind is funnier if you use the gel, so that's what I'm going to grief you about for the rest of your life!
It's also sometimes used to stop sweating, and the aroma attracts babes.
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#280408 - 06/27/07 10:14 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: gil1]
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You gotta have the BomChickaBowwow to attract the Babes!! Bikini trout in your case gil.

Edited by J&JGUIDE (06/27/07 10:15 PM)
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#280415 - 06/27/07 10:21 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: trealtree]
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 Originally Posted By: J&JGUIDE
You gotta have the BomChickaBowwow to attract the Babes!! Bikini trout in your case gil.


You talkin' about one of them skimpy Euro bathing suits?
Man, I'd rather get poison ivy than have the thought of you in a banana hammock embedded in my brain.
So you go outdoors with that gel all lathered up and one of them sissy suits to attract babes and thwart poison ivy? Man, I was gonna ask you to go feeshin' sometime, but I can't have that crap in my boat! \:D
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#280420 - 06/27/07 10:34 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: gil1]
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Euro bathing suits I thought they didnt use suits. Oh man I bet you dont even know what a bom chicka bowwow is. If you must know

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PwnsZOxjfRQ
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#280422 - 06/27/07 10:37 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: trealtree]
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Man we are way off topic...lol I think its time for bed.. \:\)
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#280446 - 06/27/07 11:06 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: trealtree]
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Now that's friggin' hilarious!

...back to poison ivy...
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#280553 - 06/28/07 06:37 AM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: gil1]
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About all my life I was little bothered by poison ivy.
I regularly pulled vines from trees in placing stands, and typically only washed my hands hours later. Commonly had some small breakouts, kind of like what BSK described along a scratch line.

Then about 3 years ago, I barely touched some, although I possibly inhaled some poison ivy "dust" from a large dead vine, and it nearly put me in the hospital. I pulled a dead vine off the side of a tree, and this "dust" filled the air, which I breathed a little of it before realizing. A couple days later my whole upper body was one big whelp, and one big itch. But I've had nothing but minor stuff since.

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#280588 - 06/28/07 07:12 AM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Breathing the smoke of burning poison ivy can actually be deadly.
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#280643 - 06/28/07 07:52 AM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: BSK]
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I try to avoid it ."Leaves of three , let it be ." ;\)
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#280644 - 06/28/07 07:53 AM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: BSK]
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When I was younger I was helping burn some poison ivy. I literally felt like I was going to die for about 2 weeks. I dont remmeber what the DR. gave me though I was only about 10. They said it was caused by the poison ivy smoke.
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#282124 - 06/29/07 12:25 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: ]
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That would be incorrect DD, only 2 times I ever got it bad were both in the fall/winter from the vine itself, course I broke them open, maybe thats what she meant.
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#282321 - 06/29/07 03:34 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: Winchester]
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I just bought and used some Cortaid treatment spray. I cannot make a comparison to other products necessarily made specifically to relieve itching of poison ivy, but it did work better for me than some Benadryl cream that I had (although that was not bad). Cortaid's spray is working really well to lessen the itching, and I think that it is helping clear the rash up, but the rash may just be running its course on its own.

Gil, I hear you on the seed ticks. No doubt we will see some postings on that in another month or so. I hate those buggers. I got seed ticks three different times late last summer. Once I was a really long way from my truck and my Permanone. I was in near panic mode on my run back.

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#284549 - 07/01/07 12:21 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: WRF]
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I can pick the stuff up and roll in it and it doesn't phase me until I scrape up the inside of my arms hanging stands and rub it into my skin. Then and only then does it bother me. The wife can break out just looking at it.

If you want something that works try Zanfel. It's for poison ivy, oak, and sumac and in most cases one treatment is all it takes. It's pricey...somewhere around $40 for a 1 oz. tube that provides about 12 treatments. One treatment provides instant relief from the itching and in all except severe cases generally knocks it out. I've never had to treat over twice.
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#312000 - 07/24/07 09:35 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: JWW4]
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cut the ivy off at the ground and spray the cut ends with 2 4 d.
this will kill it fast. just pull the dead vine off the tree but
cover up.

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#315092 - 07/26/07 08:12 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: DoubleD
Not sure. She just said when the leaves fall off after a frost.But that mkes sense. It is still inside the vine just no leaves to make it rub on to us. But I wont be opening it up looking for anything.lol


Winchester is right...the vines are just as poisonous as the leaves, I know from experience as well. I get it in the fall and winter more than the spring and summer. I think it is because there is no visual on the "leaves of three let it be". I get it bad bad in the fall and winter. In the Summer I am constantly looking for it and "trying" to avoid it but I am one of the unlucky few who sees it and it is too late.
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#315118 - 07/26/07 08:26 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Here's another interesting ridbit about poison ivy. Once you've been exposed and had a reaction, your histamine system remembers it. If you are exposed again, your histamine system will produce another rash in the same place, even if that part of your body wasn't exposed to the chemical a second time. In essence, you will get it in the old exposure location and the new


I believe this becasue no matter what I always get it on my arm in the exact location even if I get it some where else...
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#315151 - 07/26/07 08:54 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: DoubleD
According to the doctor After a freeze the leaves fall of the vine and it wont spread after that. She says only the leaves have the oil on them.


She's wrong. Even vines that have been cut and dead for a year can contain toxic oils that can still cause skin reactions if you come in contact with it.
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#315348 - 07/26/07 11:08 PM Re: Poison Ivy / Oak [Re: HOOK]
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I feel your pain with Ivy on your hunting tree. If I know what trees I will hunt, I keep the ivy away from them a few times per year. Then, during hunting season, you do not have that worry.

BTW, when I cut and remove a large vine, I will take a litte bottle of Round-Up and feed it directly to the fresh cut end with a Q-tip. Kill the vine all the way down in the ground.
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