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#2779467 - 03/08/12 05:10 PM teaching puppies
biglefty20
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Help me out on how to teach my dog to stop when I want...been working with a quail wing on fishing pole and she smells it, kinds flash points and then tries to catch it...I always pull it up and don't let her catch it

She is only 9 weeks old so she may be too young...she has done it right a few times but few is the key word

Someone give me something to try ...English setter is what she is..
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#2779747 - 03/08/12 09:50 PM Re: teaching puppies [Re: biglefty20]
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Time and practice. She is still young.
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#2779756 - 03/08/12 10:05 PM Re: teaching puppies [Re: TeamMainStreet]
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Thats what I was thinking
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#2780430 - 03/09/12 05:22 PM Re: teaching puppies [Re: biglefty20]
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When she stops...tell here whoa. lean over and let her know you want her to stay still. Stroke her tail upward and raise her chin and keep telling her whoa. She will get the picture. Its in there just needs to be brought out and reinforced.

Dont overwork that wing on a string. Sight pointing is what that is and not what you want when she is older. Fine while she is a pup (and fun to watch) but just to let her know what you want her to do.

Keep her close and reinforce the stopping and pointing.
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#2780604 - 03/09/12 09:32 PM Re: teaching puppies [Re: birddoginQ]
biglefty20
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Thanks ill give it a try
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#2780956 - 03/10/12 12:42 PM Re: teaching puppies [Re: biglefty20]
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Holding steady on point and stopping on command are two differant things. Steady to point don't ever let it catch the wing. Its got learn that the only way it can keep the wing holding is thru self control by holding steady on point. You can reinforce its self control and steady on point with a whoa command by using positive reinforcement and also by using a barrel or drum to steady the dog. The instability of the drum method may be uncomfortable with it at first but it will learn that by heeding the whoa command that it can not only maintain its own self control but also the instability of the barrel.

Thats holding to point, the general command to stop while running or even backing up another dog will often take the use of a check rope.

Steady to wing and shot can sometimes be taught with scents in conjunction with the wing technic. A helper with a check rope can make that training a little easier.

A few things to remember, the dog should have the instict bred into it, some seem to end up with more than others, even from the same litter. It should want to please and hunt for the hunter, not for itself. And not all dogs will make the cut, you need to be able to recognise that and accept it imo...

Oh, and have fun with it and keep it fun for the dog,...don't worry to much about what you think you are doing right or wrong, I've found that a good dog will teach you anything you are lacking....but they can't shoot the bird for you! \:D










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#2781046 - 03/10/12 03:52 PM Re: teaching puppies [Re: tndrbstr]
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At 9 weeks, I would'nt even be worrying about it yet. It will come together much easily if you can get her solid on basic obedience. You should be able to judge some natural god given ability at 9 weeks, but you are light years away from seeing her true potential, regardless of how much work you put into it, just due to the pups age. I consider myself to have grown up around some of the finest pointing dogs to ever hit the ground. My grandpa and his buddies lived for pointing dogs and field trials. He had a brood bitch from generations of National ch's and shooting dog championships, that was never trained, but would hold a point and naturally back from the time she was born till she died. She was never trained. But then again, some of her puppies were worked hard and some took a great deal of time to train to be steady to wing and shot, and also back another dog. It just all comes down to the individual pup.

But at 9 weeks, just let her enjoy being a puppy. At that age, thier attention span is very short. Start working on it in about 3 months.


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#2781485 - 03/11/12 09:42 AM Re: teaching puppies [Re: rukiddin?]
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 Originally Posted By: rukiddin?
At 9 weeks, I would'nt even be worrying about it yet. It will come together much easily if you can get her solid on basic obedience. You should be able to judge some natural god given ability at 9 weeks, but you are light years away from seeing her true potential, regardless of how much work you put into it, just due to the pups age. I consider myself to have grown up around some of the finest pointing dogs to ever hit the ground. My grandpa and his buddies lived for pointing dogs and field trials. He had a brood bitch from generations of National ch's and shooting dog championships, that was never trained, but would hold a point and naturally back from the time she was born till she died. She was never trained. But then again, some of her puppies were worked hard and some took a great deal of time to train to be steady to wing and shot, and also back another dog. It just all comes down to the individual pup.

But at 9 weeks, just let her enjoy being a puppy. At that age, thier attention span is very short. Start working on it in about 3 months.


Good post,...it is easy to get over ambitious with any young dog. Keeping it fun as a pup and letting the dog mature mentaly at its own pace can have a big impact on its attitude and hunting desire farther down the road imo...

Setters are the middle of the road to me as far as generaly needing and accepting any heavy handed training technics. With english pointers being more on the high side(harder headed) and brittany spaniels being on the low side. Brittanys are very rarely able to accept or respond well to any type of stern discipline in my experiance.









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#2781519 - 03/11/12 10:53 AM Re: teaching puppies [Re: tndrbstr]
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We worked this morning again...she did better...gets better each time...she is coming to name and whistle really well now( maybe cause she likes treats lol)...we worked hard on whoa today...she did ok...some of the time she sat when I told her whoa but she stayed...its a start I think...didn't mess with wing today, want to get commands good first...
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#2781535 - 03/11/12 11:17 AM Re: teaching puppies [Re: biglefty20]
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 Originally Posted By: biglefty20
We worked this morning again...she did better...gets better each time...she is coming to name and whistle really well now( maybe cause she likes treats lol)...we worked hard on whoa today...she did ok...some of the time she sat when I told her whoa but she stayed...its a start I think...didn't mess with wing today, want to get commands good first...


I'm not a big fan of treats as a reward, My dogs reward was always paise and positive verbal and physical reinforcement. I don't know what it makes any difference I just never done it.

But then I also encouraged my last pointer to point rabbits too. I did catch some flack for that, a little nontraditional I know but feild competitions were not of any intrest to me. And with the decline in grouse and quail habitat and numbers I got tired of getting more exercise than meat. She would point and hold to shot and retrieve most any thing she came accross. We came home many days with a mixed bag. That was her job and she was very good at it. \:\)




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