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#2764408 - 02/22/12 08:18 AM Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues
BMan
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/vale...omy_631716.html

This evening, speaking at North Carolina Central University in Durham, North Carolina, White House senior adviser Valerie Jarrett said that folks getting and spending unemployment checks is a healthy thing . . . because it stimulates the economy:

I would think that people actually WORKING would stimulate the economy far more...

I was thinking there is no way college students would accept this line of stupid BS - until I saw where she was speaking. Probably carried her out on their shoulders.
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#2764414 - 02/22/12 08:27 AM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: BMan]
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/valerie-jarrett-people-who-receive-unemployment-check-go-out-and-spend-it-and-help-stimulate-economy_631716.html

This evening, speaking at North Carolina Central University in Durham, North Carolina, White House senior adviser Valerie Jarrett said that folks getting and spending unemployment checks is a healthy thing . . . because it stimulates the economy:

I would think that people actually WORKING would stimulate the economy far more...

I was thinking there is no way college students would accept this line of stupid BS - until I saw where she was speaking. Probably carried her out on their shoulders.


College students WILL accecpt that with open arms. Most of the OWS crowd is made up of liberal arts college students, most of them have nothing to offer a employer in the real world so they need something to support themselves.
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#2764487 - 02/22/12 09:21 AM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: Wildcat]
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So, are you all saying that if one of your members on this forum loses his/her job because some industry in his/or her area went under, that they are worthless individuals for having to apply for unemployment so that they don't lose thier home and can feed their family? People on unemployment must qualify for it. They must have worked at a job and then lost it thru no fault of their own. Their employers pay unemploment insurance for the employee and the amount the person is paid for unemployment is based on what was paid into the insurance. College students don't typically qualify for unemployment and when they do, it is very little. I think Valerie Jarret said nothing stupid at all. Its better for the economy that some money gets spent vs none and unemployment is all going to be put right back into the economy. Yes, its better if they have jobs but thats not necessarily an option. No one is going to take an unemploment check and dump it into savings, unless of course they are committing crimes to make money, ie they are criminals. If you think everyone on employment is a criminal, go tell that to your neighbor who just lost his job and is stressing about how he is going to feed his kids. Take pictures of your face afterwords and post it here.
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#2764534 - 02/22/12 09:53 AM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: ]
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Using Valerie Jarret's logic, the economy would be 100% recovered if we were ALL drawing unemployment.

Edited by W C (02/22/12 09:53 AM)
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#2764569 - 02/22/12 10:16 AM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: W C]
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Unemployment has become another deficit spending stimulus plan.

Rather than being a program funded by the employed to bridge a temporary employment gap, it is now another federally funded welfare program and socialist wealth redistribution scheme.

Keynesian economics is a failed system but it provides a brief window where the administrators of the system can shower the soon-to-be enslaved with gifts and programs in exchange for political support. By the time the bill comes due for the borrowed money and gifts, those showered with gifts have traded their liberty for gifts and temporary stimulus. The economic machine stalled. The golden goose is dead and those who administered the lethal injection have shielded themselves from responsibility and blame.

The middle class is gone. You are now either a ruling class elite or a dirt-poor slave saddled with a debt to the government you, your children and your grand-children will never be able to pay.
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#2764574 - 02/22/12 10:19 AM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: BubbaG
So, are you all saying that if one of your members on this forum loses his/her job because some industry in his/or her area went under, that they are worthless individuals for having to apply for unemployment so that they don't lose thier home and can feed their family? People on unemployment must qualify for it. They must have worked at a job and then lost it thru no fault of their own. Their employers pay unemploment insurance for the employee and the amount the person is paid for unemployment is based on what was paid into the insurance. College students don't typically qualify for unemployment and when they do, it is very little. I think Valerie Jarret said nothing stupid at all. Its better for the economy that some money gets spent vs none and unemployment is all going to be put right back into the economy. Yes, its better if they have jobs but thats not necessarily an option. No one is going to take an unemploment check and dump it into savings, unless of course they are committing crimes to make money, ie they are criminals. If you think everyone on employment is a criminal, go tell that to your neighbor who just lost his job and is stressing about how he is going to feed his kids. Take pictures of your face afterwords and post it here.


I've had to draw unemployment, once in my life. That was about 38 years ago and I swore never again, I never had to since.

Every single worker is entiled to unemployment if they get laid off, that's what it was set up for.

What this woman is saying is something much different.She's TRYING to make a postiive spin on it to help Obama with the unemployment rate at over 8%. She's trying to put it in a good light. She's trying to make it sound BETTER than the 4.6% unemployment rate the day the DEMOCRATS TOOK TOTAL CONTROL OF CONGRESS.

All you are doing is trying to help her.

JOBS will beat unemployment any day.
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#2764589 - 02/22/12 10:28 AM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: Wildcat]
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If you make $1,000/week and the government sends you a check for $300 a week, how does that stimulate the economy?

You're buying less of the same stuff you used to use $1000 for.

Yeah, it's a stimulus alright.
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#2764600 - 02/22/12 10:34 AM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
Unemployment has become another deficit spending stimulus plan.

Rather than being a program funded by the employed to bridge a temporary employment gap, it is now another federally funded welfare program and socialist wealth redistribution scheme.

Keynesian economics is a failed system but it provides a brief window where the administrators of the system can shower the soon-to-be enslaved with gifts and programs in exchange for political support. By the time the bill comes due for the borrowed money and gifts, those showered with gifts have traded their liberty for gifts and temporary stimulus. The economic machine stalled. The golden goose is dead and those who administered the lethal injection have shielded themselves from responsibility and blame.

The middle class is gone. You are now either a ruling class elite or a dirt-poor slave saddled with a debt to the government you, your children and your grand-children will never be able to pay.



Very well articulated, and spot on.
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#2764684 - 02/22/12 11:35 AM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: BubbaG
I think Valerie Jarret said nothing stupid at all. Its better for the economy that some money gets spent vs none and unemployment is all going to be put right back into the economy.



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#2764728 - 02/22/12 12:17 PM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: BubbaG
So, are you all saying that if one of your members on this forum loses his/her job because some industry in his/or her area went under, that they are worthless individuals for having to apply for unemployment so that they don't lose thier home and can feed their family?


If this had been going on for 99 weeks then that's exactly what I would be saying.
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#2766528 - 02/23/12 10:16 PM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: BubbaG
So, are you all saying that if one of your members on this forum loses his/her job because some industry in his/or her area went under, that they are worthless individuals for having to apply for unemployment so that they don't lose thier home and can feed their family? People on unemployment must qualify for it. They must have worked at a job and then lost it thru no fault of their own. Their employers pay unemploment insurance for the employee and the amount the person is paid for unemployment is based on what was paid into the insurance. College students don't typically qualify for unemployment and when they do, it is very little. I think Valerie Jarret said nothing stupid at all. Its better for the economy that some money gets spent vs none and unemployment is all going to be put right back into the economy. Yes, its better if they have jobs but thats not necessarily an option. No one is going to take an unemploment check and dump it into savings, unless of course they are committing crimes to make money, ie they are criminals. If you think everyone on employment is a criminal, go tell that to your neighbor who just lost his job and is stressing about how he is going to feed his kids. Take pictures of your face afterwords and post it here.


I've had to draw unemployment, once in my life. That was about 38 years ago and I swore never again, I never had to since.

Every single worker is entiled to unemployment if they get laid off, that's what it was set up for.

What this woman is saying is something much different.She's TRYING to make a postiive spin on it to help Obama with the unemployment rate at over 8%. She's trying to put it in a good light. She's trying to make it sound BETTER than the 4.6% unemployment rate the day the DEMOCRATS TOOK TOTAL CONTROL OF CONGRESS.

All you are doing is trying to help her.

JOBS will beat unemployment any day.


Wow, you got that from a 25 second sound bite. I did not see at all where she was saying to quit your jobs and file for unemplyment. I am so blind.

Oh by the way. You are a worthless human being for collecting unemployment.

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#2766651 - 02/24/12 05:46 AM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: ]
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Paying someone not to work has never been a good idea. Any "unemployment" should involve showing up to do some form of work: cleaning parks, mowing the courthouse lawn, picking up trash, etc. Only a worthless individual would expect 2 years of "benefits" for doing nothing.
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#2766742 - 02/24/12 07:32 AM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: citico_tim]
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BummpaG doesn't understand economics.

He has been taught that Keynesian economic theory is the way to go.

Basically it says that consumer spending should drive the economy, NOT production, manufacturing, WEALTH CREATION, or exports. Under the Keynesian model, government spending is just as good if not better than private consumer spending. In fact, most modern Keynesians believe that government spending should CONTROL THE ECONOMY (hmmm starting to sound like Socialism eh? )

The problem with Keynesian theory is that it operates at a net loss and over time, runs jobs, manufacturing, and wealth creation out of the economy.

Since the economy relies on Govt. Stimulus instead of actual production and wealth building.... it is a net loss. A Democrat Senator was on Cspan bragging that it "only cost the Federal Government $7 to provide $1 in Stimulus and that it was an indicator of government efficiency"

So.... what happened to the other $6 ? It was bled out of the economy through costs, government corruption, INTEREST on the debt, transfer payments etc....

Imagine if that is how you ran your household budget.... Immediately multiply all your bills and expenses by x7. Sooner or later you are bankrupt, up to the rooftop in debt, and your credit cut off and left to beg for your sustenance. (Dang...starting to sound like Socialism again )

Here is the part that Keynesians neglect to teach/admit.

To keep Keynesian economic models going it requires more and more stimulus resulting in higher and higher taxes. That forces more jobs and money out of the economy as they will flee to better business climates. Manufacturing will move overseas and profits will be moved offshore or reinvested in other countries where tax policy is more friendly to business.

So now you have high government spending, Jobs are leaving the country, WEALTH is leaving the country, TAXES are skyrocketing to pay for all the spending, DEBT is going through the roof, Unemployment is going up.... The poor don't care since they are already on government assistance. The "rich" have the flexibility to move their money into investments overseas to protect it from being looted by the government OR the political juice to get "waivers" and "exemptions" to the Horrors of Keynesian government policy.
THe middle class is stuck paying the bill and their real wealth and standard of living will spiral down quickly.
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#2766832 - 02/24/12 08:52 AM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: ]
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Wow, you all sure can read allot into a 25 second video. How do you know that she was not just saying that people with money in their pockets is better for the economy than people with no money in their pockets? If that was the message then I do agree with her and I do understand economics. I did not see on the video where she endorsed raising taxes for those silly enough to work and encouraged people to quit their jobs and go on the welfare system. Thats was not in the video. This is so typical. Take a sound bite and twist it into something its not. Kind of your specialty.
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#2766845 - 02/24/12 08:59 AM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: BubbaG
Wow, you all sure can read allot into a 25 second video. How do you know that she was not just saying that people with money in their pockets is better for the economy than people with no money in their pockets? If that was the message then I do agree with her and I do understand economics. I did not see on the video where she endorsed raising taxes for those silly enough to work and encouraged people to quit their jobs and go on the welfare system. Thats was not in the video. This is so typical. Take a sound bite and twist it into something its not. Kind of your specialty.


YOU just took the sound bite and twisted it into something it's not.
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#2767215 - 02/24/12 02:45 PM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: Wildcat]
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Once again... BumplerG missed the point.

IF GOVERNMENT POLICY is causing the unemployment ( as socialist policies ALWAYS DO) then stuffing a couple 20's in a guys pocket (via unemployment benefits) does nothing to correct the underlying problem of Government stifling business and CAUSING UNEMPLOYMENT in the first place.

SO which is better....
1. Have the gubment screw up the economy then force businesses to pay you a reduced amount NOT to work while you become poorer and poorer.... meanwhile draining businesses by increasing costs so they CANT afford to hire new employees.

Or.
2. For government to adopt a business friendly policy that will reduce unemployment and make those benefits unnecessary in the first place? This is done through smaller government policy, reduced taxes, and reduced regulations.
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#2769341 - 02/27/12 03:05 PM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: ]
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What new regulations and/or taxes have been put into effect by the current administration to increase unemployment?
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#2769355 - 02/27/12 03:21 PM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: ]
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Obamacare would be #1
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#2769739 - 02/27/12 09:29 PM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: BubbaG
What new regulations and/or taxes have been put into effect by the current administration to increase unemployment?


How about:

Gibson Guitars
Boeing being sued by the NLRB
Keystone Pipeline
Gulf of Mexico Drilling Moratorium
Cutbacks to the Military
Dodd-Frank and the Durbin Amendment

But don't take my word for it, see what these guys have to say:

http://www.roanoke.com/politics/wb/289779
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#2769748 - 02/27/12 09:36 PM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: Koyodiak]
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Don't forget his tax policy !

I will keep it simple and only pick ONE example...

INCREASE capital gains from 15% to .....(drum roll) 46% !!!!!! (starting soon)
That means that all those suckers who worked hard, paid a pile of taxes on their earnings, took risk and INVESTED that money in businesses that CREATE JOBS and count on those investments for their retirement now get 40++ percent of their returns sucked away.

Ha ha ha!! those suckers...... Wait.... uh... that is most of us who have any investments PENSIONS etc....

I bet that is going to encourage investment !!! (sarcasm alert)

OR.... You could look at the pile of new EPA regulations that have come out since Bingo took office.

OR.... well the list goes on and on.


Edited by fishboy1 (02/27/12 09:37 PM)
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#2769757 - 02/27/12 09:48 PM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: fishboy1]
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Koyodiak

Don't forget his tax policy !

I will keep it simple and only pick ONE example...

INCREASE capital gains from 15% to .....(drum roll) 46% !!!!!! (starting soon)
That means that all those suckers who worked hard, paid a pile of taxes on their earnings, took risk and INVESTED that money in businesses that CREATE JOBS and count on those investments for their retirement now get 40++ percent of their returns sucked away.

Ha ha ha!! those suckers...... Wait.... uh... that is most of us who have any investments PENSIONS etc....

I bet that is going to encourage investment !!! (sarcasm alert)

OR.... You could look at the pile of new EPA regulations that have come out since Bingo took office.

OR.... well the list goes on and on.


I've HEARD there were 4000 new regulations imposed by the Obama regime costing businesses $100million just this year alone.
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#2769771 - 02/27/12 10:23 PM Re: Valerie Jarret - The Stupidity Continues [Re: Koyodiak]
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