#269181 - 06/18/07 02:37 PM
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Phil and any of the rest you who are interested, Consider this:
Phil, let’s say that you and I hunt together for a week, at a neutral location that neither of us has ever seen. You use your longbow, I’ll use a crossbow. The only limitation placed upon us, other than legalities, is that we limit our shots to no more than 25 yards.
What I am getting at is this. The equipment you have in your hand does not make you a better hunter. It does not make you a poorer hunter. How do you define better hunter? Is it the ability to get closer to game? If so, does not the 25-yard limit level that?
If, as you say, the art of bowhunting is getting close to the game,(and I completely agree) are we not on equal footing? Won’t our skills be defined by scouting, stand site selection, stealth, woodcraft? Isn’t that what hunting is really about? If both of us are limited to a maximum shot of 25 yards, isn’t that a level field?
So happens, I know of a place we could do that. Cost us about $1850 each for four days. You interested?
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#269185 - 06/18/07 02:42 PM
Re: Phil- Give this some thought...
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Oh...forgot to mention, we'll let Byron Ferguson be the judge and maybe Gene Wensel if he is available. Bucks and does are equal. It's just a deer killin deal.
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#269207 - 06/18/07 02:53 PM
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Another thought...this is not about who, between the two of us, is the best hunter. That is a forgone conclusion :). It is about how on equal ground...just who has the advantage.
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#269338 - 06/18/07 04:12 PM
Re: Phil- Give this some thought...
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John - I agree that the equipment you use has nothing to do with how good(or bad) of a hunter you are. I know you are a very good hunter. David J would kill deer if he had to use a slingshot. A lot of very good hunters use a crossbow for whatever reason. I don't recall saying anything about choice of weapon making one a better or worse hunter. If I did, I was wrong. By the way, I try to limit myself to 20 yards and in. But, yes, the playing field would be leveled if we limited our shots to 20 yards. A crossbow would have absolutely no advantage. But that is not what I am talking about.
Are you trying to say that the average hunter using a crossbow can't kill a deer any further than the average hunter using a longbow? If so, I don't believe that for a NY minute. I use a bare longbow with no sights, and a very heavy slow arrow. You use a scoped crossbow with a rifle stock, rifle like trigger, and fast bolts. Your equipment has every advantage and can consistently kill deer further than I can if you so choose. That's like saying a 30-30 can consistently kill a deer at the same distance a 30-06 can. At 100 yards they can both lay them down, but the 30-06 has a definite advantage at 200 yards.
$1850 to kill deer for 4 days??? I can put us on a neutral piece of property for 4 days for $0.
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#269372 - 06/18/07 04:29 PM
Re: Phil- Give this some thought...
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No Phil. What I am saying is that equipment does not identify the hunter. You said it. You said it. You said bowhunting is abut getting close. I agree. It has nothing to do with what you have in your hand.
And no, read again. The average hunter using a crossbow will kill more deer than the average hunter using trad. equipment. I don't know about farther away. But they will make more killing shots. But when the shot limit is 25 yards, as I suggested, you, my friend, are screwed with your theory.
Now quit trying to twist things and stick to the facts and parameters.
Simple fact-If you put the AVERAGE crossbow or compound hunter up against the AVERAGE traditional shooter, the trad. shooter is toast. Reason: the average trad. shooter can't hit a bull in the asse with a bass fiddle. That, Phil, is not even refutable. It is fact.
If the shoulder still worked, I have no doubt, I could take any one of my bows and outshoot any crossbow hunter, free-standing and probably most trad shooters...maybe all.
That, Phil, is not at all the point.
And you know it.
BTW- It's two deer a day for $1850
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#269468 - 06/18/07 05:35 PM
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Man, you sure are crusty today. On pain meds???? hehehe
I'm gonna have to quit debating with you since I can't decipher whether you mean what you say or say what you mean. Know what I mean????
I can get us 3 deer a day for free!!
Limit the shots to 20 yards and I can hold my own.
Not sure where you get some of your "facts". I will shoot any crossbow shooter under 20 yards or over 90 yards. No points, but any shot in the kill zone is equal to any other shot in the kill zone. That's all that really counts.
Everybody just go shoot what you want to and have some fun. It don't mean a thing.
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#269520 - 06/18/07 06:16 PM
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I think he is skeered BW!
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#270078 - 06/19/07 03:01 AM
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He is not skeered, he is just tired of beating the same horse. As am I.
After all is said and done, it comes down to semantics and I tend to get anti-semantic.
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#270237 - 06/19/07 08:37 AM
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IMO when it comes right down to it, it don't matter. There will still be the same amount of gimped up deer walking or dead, with what ever the weapon.
The fact is, not all people shooting longbows will stick to a range they can be effective at. The fact is, cross bolt shooters will shoot further then they should. The fact is, most of both will not practice in the proper setting to know their limits. The fact is, the same holds true for guns and any other weapon of choice.
Until every person entering the woods knows their limit as well as the effective limit of "their" weapon of choice its all beating dead horses. Once shooters learn their limits and set their own personal ethics will they get it. Until then I will climb as high as I can, and be their as early as I can. Then pray all the way out.
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