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#2470913 - 08/07/11 09:22 AM Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!!
Columbia Scott
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When did the TWRA start releasing Red stag in Tennessee? I saw that if you harvest one in Claiborne county you have to bring it in for inspection. I want my very own red stag. They are cool. They growl.
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#2471048 - 08/07/11 11:43 AM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: Columbia Scott]
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I think what TWRA would consider wild red deer are actually a hybrid between elk and red stag that have escaped from deer farms. I do not know of any red deer that been officially released by the TWRA because it’s considered a non native species and we all know what damage a non native species can cause, i.e. wild hogs…
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#2471075 - 08/07/11 12:19 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: high country]
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TWRA did not release the red deer, they are escaped exotics that were turned over to the state and we want them dead. We hope you kill every last one of them.
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#2471078 - 08/07/11 12:21 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: high country]
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The story on the TWRA forum earlier this year was that they are red stag that escaped from deer farms and hunting preserves. Don't know if they're hybrids, but they are there and supposedly you can hunt them this year in certain areas.
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#2471079 - 08/07/11 12:21 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: Bone Collector]
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BGG beat me to it haha
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#2471081 - 08/07/11 12:23 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: BigGameGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy
TWRA did not release the red deer, they are escaped exotics that were turned over to the state and we want them dead. We hope you kill every last one of them.


could you travel there and hunt them, i.e. is there public land that has them on it and is the season open on the WMA?
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#2471084 - 08/07/11 12:27 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: Bone Collector]
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could you travel there and hunt them, i.e. is there public land that has them on it and is the season open on the WMA? [/quote]X2 anyone know? \:D
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#2471086 - 08/07/11 12:28 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: Bone Collector]
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That's the problem, they are primarily on private land so there's limited access. The landowners who have them on their land had their hands tied since they were considered private property therefore they couldn't legally kill them. Now that they have been turned over to the state, we created a red deer season in that area so hopefully the locals can seriously reduce their numbers.
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#2471090 - 08/07/11 12:34 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: BigGameGuy]
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BGG, what's the estimate on how many there are of them?
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#2471186 - 08/07/11 02:33 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: jw0312]
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i see them weekly and there is no public land on which they roam.good luck on getting the locals to let you hunt them ive nocked on every one of their doors that i know have them and they all say nope if i wanted them dead i would shoot them.gonna keep knocking though i would love to kill one with the bow. i dont really know how many there are but ive seen three different groups with 7-10 in each group so im sure there is more than what im seeing good luck and hope you can get permission to kill some
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#2471189 - 08/07/11 02:36 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: jw0312]
Columbia Scott
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I see. I'm not exactly sure I understand why it's a problem. The TWRA is re-introducing elk which once thrived here. That makes sense to me but they are also introducing fallow deer in Land Between the Lakes, a non native species. Do red deer pose a risk to elk and native species?
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#2471202 - 08/07/11 02:59 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: ]
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the majority are on the edge of cedarfork and over towards round top on old kentucky road with a few being in the south eastern edge of cavesprings
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#2471225 - 08/07/11 03:13 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: Columbia Scott]
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 Originally Posted By: Columbia Scott
I see. I'm not exactly sure I understand why it's a problem. The TWRA is re-introducing elk which once thrived here. That makes sense to me but they are also introducing fallow deer in Land Between the Lakes, a non native species. Do red deer pose a risk to elk and native species?


Land Between The Lakes is not controlled by TWRA.
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#2471389 - 08/07/11 06:15 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: BigSatt]
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 Originally Posted By: BigSatt
 Originally Posted By: Columbia Scott
I see. I'm not exactly sure I understand why it's a problem. The TWRA is re-introducing elk which once thrived here. That makes sense to me but they are also introducing fallow deer in Land Between the Lakes, a non native species. Do red deer pose a risk to elk and native species?


Land Between The Lakes is not controlled by TWRA.


Nor are there fallow deer that are being introduced. From my understanding, they are remnants of a long ago failed project. I wish I could say every decision made in the past by wildlife entities were smart decisions. They were definitely well-intentioned, but unfortunately sometimes we learn from our mistakes. And no...rattlesnakes, coyotes, mountain lions, and black panthers are not part of those mistakes. ;\)
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#2471531 - 08/07/11 08:15 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: BigGameGuy]
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I read today that the suspected range of the Eastern Cougar may now extend to the Eastern and Western extremes of Tennessee. I, for one, am pleased to see the return of the Roosevelt elk, the Eastern Cougar and the red wolf. The introduction of the coyote east of the Mississippi river gave me some awesome targets! I hate the things, but they provide a great deal of fun. I didn't know that the fallow deer were a failed project. When I was a child, I never saw a deer. I saw a big tom turkey on a railroad track near Memphis and it was if I'd seen a dinosaur. The Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency has given us everything that we enjoy today. I support you!
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#2471536 - 08/07/11 08:24 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: ]
Good time Charlie
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They escaped ,or were let loose from a farm on Cedar Fork in Claiborne,Right beside where I work,Have not seen them lately but we counted 23 one evening out the side door of the plant.

I am quite sure they are Red Stags,Bigger then a whitetail but not near as big as an Elk.I know a guy that used to feed them and heard the whole story,The man that owns them lives up north,he paid this guy to feed them and bought the feed.
When he Quit sending funds ,well the guy had no choice.
He could not afford to feed them himself,so He cut a big hole in the fence.And the rest is history,there were more then just Red stag to.
So now we are on the verge of a bad situation,disease and damage that they do.Knightrider you are not knocking on the right doors
Farmers are learning quick how devastating these animals are
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#2471581 - 08/07/11 08:45 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: Good time Charlie]
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 Originally Posted By: Darton man
They escaped ,or were let loose from a farm on Cedar Fork in Claiborne,Right beside where I work,Have not seen them lately but we counted 23 one evening out the side door of the plant.

I am quite sure they are Red Stags,Bigger then a whitetail but not near as big as an Elk.I know a guy that used to feed them and heard the whole story,The man that owns them lives up north,he paid this guy to feed them and bought the feed.
When he Quit sending funds ,well the guy had no choice.
He could not afford to feed them himself,so He cut a big hole in the fence.And the rest is history,there were more then just Red stag to.
So now we are on the verge of a bad situation,disease and damage that they do.Knightrider you are not knocking on the right doors
Farmers are learning quick how devastating these animals are
well than help me out on the right door to knock on lol
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#2488138 - 08/20/11 07:46 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: knightrider]
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So now we are on the verge of a bad situation,disease and damage that they do


What disease?

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#2488305 - 08/20/11 10:33 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: BigGameGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy
TWRA did not release the red deer, they are escaped exotics that were turned over to the state and we want them dead. We hope you kill every last one of them.


if twra wanted them all dead so bad why in the world did they put a short season on them? why not do it like coyote's or any other year round no limit critter? the season that they set does not make any sense whatsoever if there wanting them all dead, "but most of the seasons and limits in tennessee do not make sense come to think of it"

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#3187364 - 03/08/13 10:57 AM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: Good time Charlie]
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 Originally Posted By: Good time Charlie
They escaped ,or were let loose from a farm on Cedar Fork in Claiborne,Right beside where I work,Have not seen them lately but we counted 23 one evening out the side door of the plant.

I am quite sure they are Red Stags,Bigger then a whitetail but not near as big as an Elk.I know a guy that used to feed them and heard the whole story,The man that owns them lives up north,he paid this guy to feed them and bought the feed.
When he Quit sending funds ,well the guy had no choice.
He could not afford to feed them himself,so He cut a big hole in the fence.And the rest is history,there were more then just Red stag to.
So now we are on the verge of a bad situation,disease and damage that they do.Knightrider you are not knocking on the right doors
Farmers are learning quick how devastating these animals are


What else was in there? Is there anywhere Ielse I can read about this?

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#3187368 - 03/08/13 11:07 AM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: Columbia Scott]
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 Originally Posted By: Columbia Scott
I read today that the suspected range of the Eastern Cougar may now extend to the Eastern and Western extremes of Tennessee. I, for one, am pleased to see the return of the Roosevelt elk, the Eastern Cougar and the red wolf. The introduction of the coyote east of the Mississippi river gave me some awesome targets! I hate the things, but they provide a great deal of fun. I didn't know that the fallow deer were a failed project. When I was a child, I never saw a deer. I saw a big tom turkey on a railroad track near Memphis and it was if I'd seen a dinosaur. The Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency has given us everything that we enjoy today. I support you!



Coyotes WERE NOT INTRODUCED east of the Mississippi River. Their expansion was a natural change in their range. There were some illegal translocations of coyotes by hunters which may have speeded up the expansion, but there was no reintroduction by any agency.
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#3187698 - 03/08/13 05:45 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: scn]
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A bunch of coon hunters bought two dozen coyotes and 60 rattlesnakes in a study to see if the snakes would actually kill the yotes or vice versa.

They were all put in a 3-acre pen in Cheatham County. The yotes were fed just enough to keep them alive. Most of the snakes escaped and began to multiply rapidly.

Seeing what was happening, the coon hunters then bought four breeding pairs of mongoose to get rid of the remaining snakes and went after the yotes with golf clubs. I believe they used drivers and a four irons.

The mongoose did not survive the stress and to cover up the operation, the coon hunters brought in 29-red stags from Australia and released them. Their orginal plan was to then bring in several mountain lions to kill the stags, thus completely covering up the snake/coyote fiasco. In order to maintain racial harmony and keep Jesse Jackson from bothering them, exactly half the mountain lions were dyed black. They also turned the 3-acre pen into a putting green to account for the golf clubs.

Then, it rained. It was on a Friday, known there after as black Friday for the color of the grass in the pen. It then became a putting black. All the cougars escaped, most settled the river bottoms and a few settled the tops.

That is the entire story. Don't ask for any more information. I believe the fee to use the putting black is #2.75 for an hour.
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#3187709 - 03/08/13 06:09 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: bowriter]
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 Originally Posted By: bowriter
A bunch of coon hunters bought two dozen coyotes and 60 rattlesnakes in a study to see if the snakes would actually kill the yotes or vice versa.

They were all put in a 3-acre pen in Cheatham County. The yotes were fed just enough to keep them alive. Most of the snakes escaped and began to multiply rapidly.

Seeing what was happening, the coon hunters then bought four breeding pairs of mongoose to get rid of the remaining snakes and went after the yotes with golf clubs. I believe they used drivers and a four irons.

The mongoose did not survive the stress and to cover up the operation, the coon hunters brought in 29-red stags from Australia and released them. Their orginal plan was to then bring in several mountain lions to kill the stags, thus completely covering up the snake/coyote fiasco. In order to maintain racial harmony and keep Jesse Jackson from bothering them, exactly half the mountain lions were dyed black. They also turned the 3-acre pen into a putting green to account for the golf clubs.

Then, it rained. It was on a Friday, known there after as black Friday for the color of the grass in the pen. It then became a putting black. All the cougars escaped, most settled the river bottoms and a few settled the tops.

That is the entire story. Don't ask for any more information. I believe the fee to use the putting black is #2.75 for an hour.
You didnt metion wild hogs
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#3188097 - 03/09/13 10:44 AM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: timberjack86]
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Monster 1000lb Texas hogs? Yep. I seen 'em around... Somebody has to have a trail cam pic... \:\) i heard they migrated up along the same route as the Florida panthers when they escaped from that ranch near pensacola they were illegally introduced at right?
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#3188149 - 03/09/13 12:34 PM Re: Red Deer in Claiborne County???!!! [Re: 45min. to the stand]
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Pshaw!~ The hogs all got out of the high fence that was around the Smokies. Some Roosian feller brung em when he come over to teach Ole Popcorn how to make vocky. Way I heard it, they both got plumb knee walkin and Popcorn, why he clumb the fence with a hog under each arm. Story is, he married one and made the other his daughter and went to makin his version of vocky.

So, when Ray Blanton was governor, he got into the vocky and made some feller down at Strawberry Plains in charge of hogs and he commenced to chargin for to hunt em and bring leetle ones in from Taxus. He figgered it would make a ton of money.

Never did, though. Just made people over eat and get fat and the vocky got too expensive to drink.

And that right there is the truth, too.
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