Tndeer Logo

Page all of 2 12>
Topic Options
#2425633 - 06/23/11 11:20 PM Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder)
RutMan
16 Point


Registered: 09/18/00
Posts: 15146
Loc: Atoka ,TN - USA

Offline
Rat got in engine and chewed up a bunch of wires, components,etc.. .

Vehicle will crank and run w/o pressing the gas pedal. When gas pedal is pressed, it will surge/jerk repeatedly, but stop when you let off gas.


Will idle/run around 25-30 w/o mashing gas pedal.


Sitting and idling , the rpm will surge and rev up and down.


Engine, hood, fenders, battery and all are very HOT after driving short distance.


NO dash alert lights come on, hasn't overheated, and everything seems to work except hazard lights and brake lights.


All fuses are good and not blowing.

Previous owner replaced some parts and a good mechanic for foreign made vehicles could not figure it out.


Any ideas ? Got a Haynes manual and willing to try to help my son out. He bought it from a guy and it made it 5 miles before the troubles began.


Mechanic spent and ate $500 and gave it back to him.



It is 1994 Nissan Pathfinder 4WD with V6 engine/automatic.


Mechanic did say engine and tranny were good and thinks it is a wiring harness problem.




Edited by RutMan (06/23/11 11:22 PM)
_________________________
I believe in the sun....even when it isn't shining

I believe in love....even when I don't feel it

I believe in GOD....even when HE is silent

Top
#2425636 - 06/23/11 11:29 PM Re: Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder) [Re: RutMan]
Jon
TnDeer Old Timer
8 Point


Registered: 08/05/99
Posts: 1786
Loc: Warren co.

Offline
Could be many things....will it run at all under acceleration?
Top
#2425641 - 06/23/11 11:40 PM Re: Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder) [Re: Jon]
RutMan
16 Point


Registered: 09/18/00
Posts: 15146
Loc: Atoka ,TN - USA

Offline
Yes, I drove it and it ran great around 25 to 30 w/o accelerating.


That's when it jerks and jumps, but will at times quit for short period.


Just trying to think of everything that "may" cause this. I'm gonna cover all electrical problems, but could use help with other things from anyone who does this regularly.


I've got a multitude of mechanical skills, but been about 20 years since I did a lot of auto mechanic type stuff.


Thanks.
_________________________
I believe in the sun....even when it isn't shining

I believe in love....even when I don't feel it

I believe in GOD....even when HE is silent

Top
#2425644 - 06/23/11 11:46 PM Re: Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder) [Re: RutMan]
Jon
TnDeer Old Timer
8 Point


Registered: 08/05/99
Posts: 1786
Loc: Warren co.

Offline
Is it throwing any codes? I would start with checking the mass air sensor and throttle position sensor TPS.
Top
#2425646 - 06/23/11 11:48 PM Re: Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder) [Re: Jon]
RutMan
16 Point


Registered: 09/18/00
Posts: 15146
Loc: Atoka ,TN - USA

Offline
Not sure on the codes. Son is gonna call our mechanic and find out what all he did exactly. He's been at it for 50+ years, but after eating the $500 on what he believed it to be, he backed away,lol.


He did tell my son he wasn't able to hook it up to his computer for some reason.


Edited by RutMan (06/23/11 11:49 PM)
_________________________
I believe in the sun....even when it isn't shining

I believe in love....even when I don't feel it

I believe in GOD....even when HE is silent

Top
#2425650 - 06/23/11 11:53 PM Re: Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder) [Re: RutMan]
Jon
TnDeer Old Timer
8 Point


Registered: 08/05/99
Posts: 1786
Loc: Warren co.

Offline
Yeah this may be a tough fix. You will just have to track down all of the rat damage.
Top
#2425652 - 06/23/11 11:58 PM Re: Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder) [Re: Jon]
RutMan
16 Point


Registered: 09/18/00
Posts: 15146
Loc: Atoka ,TN - USA

Offline
Looks like it is done between previous owner and our mechanic.

It cranks, idles and runs good enough with most all electrical working plus no fuses blowing to be worth a shot.


LOTS of new parts and wires and what not under hood.


Trying to make a list of what all may cause it. A list of what it is or is not doing.


Then look for common denominator. IF it is an electrical problem, I'll find it. IF it is beyond that, will probably need a little help and guidance. Thanks again.
_________________________
I believe in the sun....even when it isn't shining

I believe in love....even when I don't feel it

I believe in GOD....even when HE is silent

Top
#2426145 - 06/24/11 04:29 PM Re: Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder) [Re: RutMan]
RutMan
16 Point


Registered: 09/18/00
Posts: 15146
Loc: Atoka ,TN - USA

Offline
ttt
_________________________
I believe in the sun....even when it isn't shining

I believe in love....even when I don't feel it

I believe in GOD....even when HE is silent

Top
#2429010 - 06/27/11 07:12 PM Re: Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder) [Re: RutMan]
RutMan
16 Point


Registered: 09/18/00
Posts: 15146
Loc: Atoka ,TN - USA

Offline
ttt one more time.
_________________________
I believe in the sun....even when it isn't shining

I believe in love....even when I don't feel it

I believe in GOD....even when HE is silent

Top
#2437353 - 07/06/11 07:41 PM Re: Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder) [Re: RutMan]
RutMan
16 Point


Registered: 09/18/00
Posts: 15146
Loc: Atoka ,TN - USA

Offline
ttt
_________________________
I believe in the sun....even when it isn't shining

I believe in love....even when I don't feel it

I believe in GOD....even when HE is silent

Top
#2437354 - 07/06/11 07:43 PM Re: Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder) [Re: Jon]
RutMan
16 Point


Registered: 09/18/00
Posts: 15146
Loc: Atoka ,TN - USA

Offline
 Originally Posted By: Jon
Is it throwing any codes? I would start with checking the mass air sensor and throttle position sensor TPS.




Done the self-diagnostics on the computer and it showed all ok.
_________________________
I believe in the sun....even when it isn't shining

I believe in love....even when I don't feel it

I believe in GOD....even when HE is silent

Top
#2437357 - 07/06/11 07:47 PM Re: Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder) [Re: RutMan]
RutMan
16 Point


Registered: 09/18/00
Posts: 15146
Loc: Atoka ,TN - USA

Offline
There is a actuator type switch attached at the gas pedal.

When pedal is pressed, arm contacts actuator switch button and closes the switch.


Opens when you remove foot from pedal.


Since this problem ONLY occurs when gas pedal is pressed and remains until pedal is released, suspected this switch or wiring.


Close inspection revealed chew marks to the wires to this switch.


Do not know what this switch is or what it is for.


It is receiving 7.9 dc volts through the wires with engine running.

Thanks.


Edited by RutMan (07/06/11 07:48 PM)
_________________________
I believe in the sun....even when it isn't shining

I believe in love....even when I don't feel it

I believe in GOD....even when HE is silent

Top
#2437435 - 07/06/11 08:41 PM Re: Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder) [Re: RutMan]
RutMan
16 Point


Registered: 09/18/00
Posts: 15146
Loc: Atoka ,TN - USA

Offline
ttt
_________________________
I believe in the sun....even when it isn't shining

I believe in love....even when I don't feel it

I believe in GOD....even when HE is silent

Top
#2437650 - 07/07/11 05:56 AM Re: Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder) [Re: RutMan]
Hawk
TnDeer Old Timer
12 Point


Registered: 09/03/99
Posts: 6144
Loc: west tenn.

Offline
Pour a can of Sea Foam in the tank.
_________________________
"A surplus of virture is more dangerous than a surplus of vice"

Top
#2437665 - 07/07/11 06:27 AM Re: Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder) [Re: Jon]
Unicam Administrator
Grumpaw
16 Point


Registered: 12/13/00
Posts: 17457
Loc: Dallas, GA. & Cookeville, TN

Offline
 Originally Posted By: Jon
Yeah this may be a tough fix. You will just have to track down all of the rat damage.


This....sorry but that kind of damage can take forever to find!! It is easier to find a complete replacement harness from a salvage yard and replace it.
\
If vehicle will not let you pull codes with a reader try this....

This is an aid to the mechanic, is fast and does not need a diagnostic tool. The Nissan to bring the systems are the engines that bring FOLLOWING:
E16E engine (Nissan Sentra V-16 or red cap)
GA16DE, GA16DNE. (V-16 gray cover, almera, etc.).
SR20DE, SR20DET (Nissan Primera, Samsung SQ5, Almera)
KA24 (KA24: D21, D22 y Altima)
VQ30DE (Nissan Maxima, Pathfinder, x-trail, etc)

The proceeding is very simple:
1. Put the key in the ON position (check engine light comes on)
2. Jump pins 6 and 7 of the diagnostic connector 14-pin for two seconds until the check is turned off. After the check is turned off the light began to flash, giving us a code according to the time to blink. The tags will be repeated endlessly until you turn the key to the ON position to OFF for a while or until you clear the codes.

The long flashes represent the tens and short drives.
Example: 5 flashes long and five short shows code 55, which means that the whole system is in order.

To clear the stored fault codes at the time that show the possible failure code back to making the bridge for four or five seconds, the light should go out and check out the bridge is qeuda on, ready, it indicates that all codes are erased become the key to the OFF position and can you start the car.

THE LOCATION OF THE PINES GROWING VA LEFT TO RIGHT:
1----67 1 ---- 67
8-----14 8 ----- 14

It does sound electrical to me but could also be the EGR system, TPS, MAP, or other sensors, some will throw a code, some will not.
_________________________
"Gun Free Zones are for VICTIMS!"

John 15:13

Top
#2438595 - 07/08/11 12:07 AM Re: Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder) [Re: Unicam]
RutMan
16 Point


Registered: 09/18/00
Posts: 15146
Loc: Atoka ,TN - USA

Offline
 Originally Posted By: Unicam
 Originally Posted By: Jon
Yeah this may be a tough fix. You will just have to track down all of the rat damage.


This....sorry but that kind of damage can take forever to find!! It is easier to find a complete replacement harness from a salvage yard and replace it.
\
If vehicle will not let you pull codes with a reader try this....

This is an aid to the mechanic, is fast and does not need a diagnostic tool. The Nissan to bring the systems are the engines that bring FOLLOWING:
E16E engine (Nissan Sentra V-16 or red cap)
GA16DE, GA16DNE. (V-16 gray cover, almera, etc.).
SR20DE, SR20DET (Nissan Primera, Samsung SQ5, Almera)
KA24 (KA24: D21, D22 y Altima)
VQ30DE (Nissan Maxima, Pathfinder, x-trail, etc)

The proceeding is very simple:
1. Put the key in the ON position (check engine light comes on)
2. Jump pins 6 and 7 of the diagnostic connector 14-pin for two seconds until the check is turned off. After the check is turned off the light began to flash, giving us a code according to the time to blink. The tags will be repeated endlessly until you turn the key to the ON position to OFF for a while or until you clear the codes.

The long flashes represent the tens and short drives.
Example: 5 flashes long and five short shows code 55, which means that the whole system is in order.

To clear the stored fault codes at the time that show the possible failure code back to making the bridge for four or five seconds, the light should go out and check out the bridge is qeuda on, ready, it indicates that all codes are erased become the key to the OFF position and can you start the car.

THE LOCATION OF THE PINES GROWING VA LEFT TO RIGHT:
1----67 1 ---- 67
8-----14 8 ----- 14

It does sound electrical to me but could also be the EGR system, TPS, MAP, or other sensors, some will throw a code, some will not.



Thanks Uni. We did the self-dianostic that the Haynes book showed for it.

The red and green lights flashed 5 times each and the book said that is Code55 and all is ok.


Our mechanic is in his 70's and been doing nothing but foreign vehicle repairs since he left high school.

He went with what he was sure it was and after $500 eaten, he quit.

He believes it is in main wiring harness. I have inspected about 75-80% of the harness so far with no signs of damage except to the gas pedal switch. Did find it in the book, it is a kick down switch for the transmission. It states for 80-85 trannys , but this is a 94 vehicle.


When he bought it, the back end was full of parts and sensors that previous owner and mechanics had replaced trying to find problem.

It ONLY happens when/if you accelerate. It does rev up and down while idling as well.

Other than that, it runs and drives great.

We're gonna check pull-a-part and other salvage yards for a harness.


The wires to the kick down switch are only rat damaged wires I have found that haven't been replaced/repaired already.

The gas smell, backfiring, sputtering and noise all come from air cleaner/fuel rail assembly area.
_________________________
I believe in the sun....even when it isn't shining

I believe in love....even when I don't feel it

I believe in GOD....even when HE is silent

Top
#2438639 - 07/08/11 05:53 AM Re: Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder) [Re: RutMan]
Unicam Administrator
Grumpaw
16 Point


Registered: 12/13/00
Posts: 17457
Loc: Dallas, GA. & Cookeville, TN

Offline
OK, this is a 94 so basically all the light throws a code for is the basic sensors, or smog system stuff. Its OBD 1 not OBD 2. I am sure the basic sensors have been covered and with the fuel smell coming from the carb it tells me there is unburned fuel. Look closely at all the repaired wires and also closely check all the wire terminals at the coil and every other ignition component. Had a ford do this for months, it got so bad it would be going down the road and just die, coast to the side of the road, turn key off and start it back up. Dealer spent over 1500.00 and did not fix it. I found a .16 Cent connector with only 2 wires connected to it. It was the coil resistance loop connector and it would build a static charge that would kill the coil, then when the motor died the charge would disapate and it would fire right back up. The kickdown harnes is a slim possibility, but it needs to be repaired to ensure the transmission does not get damaged. I am sure the TPS and speed sensors have been replaced, I still think there may be a missed wire that the rat/mouse bit into but did not chew through causing an intermittent and very hard to find problem.

Edited by Unicam (07/08/11 05:53 AM)
_________________________
"Gun Free Zones are for VICTIMS!"

John 15:13

Top
#2440382 - 07/10/11 01:36 AM Re: Unicam or other mechanics (Nissan Pathfinder) [Re: Unicam]
RutMan
16 Point


Registered: 09/18/00
Posts: 15146
Loc: Atoka ,TN - USA

Offline
 Originally Posted By: Unicam
OK, this is a 94 so basically all the light throws a code for is the basic sensors, or smog system stuff. Its OBD 1 not OBD 2. I am sure the basic sensors have been covered and with the fuel smell coming from the carb it tells me there is unburned fuel. Look closely at all the repaired wires and also closely check all the wire terminals at the coil and every other ignition component. Had a ford do this for months, it got so bad it would be going down the road and just die, coast to the side of the road, turn key off and start it back up. Dealer spent over 1500.00 and did not fix it. I found a .16 Cent connector with only 2 wires connected to it. It was the coil resistance loop connector and it would build a static charge that would kill the coil, then when the motor died the charge would disapate and it would fire right back up. The kickdown harnes is a slim possibility, but it needs to be repaired to ensure the transmission does not get damaged. I am sure the TPS and speed sensors have been replaced, I still think there may be a missed wire that the rat/mouse bit into but did not chew through causing an intermittent and very hard to find problem.




Thanks Uni, this has sure been a learning curve since my vehicle mechanic days were long ago.

Gonna cover ALL bases, including what was done before my son bought it.
_________________________
I believe in the sun....even when it isn't shining

I believe in love....even when I don't feel it

I believe in GOD....even when HE is silent

Top
Page all of 2 12>


Moderator:  RUGER, Unicam, gtk, Tennessee Todd, Lakeland Charlie, Cuttin Caller, CBU93, stretch, Outdoor Lady, TurkeyBurd, MAN, Bobby G 
Hop to:
Top Posters
4097469
RUGER
80527
Deer Assassin
59548
BSK
56004
Crappie Luck
50718
spitndrum
Newest Members
ConK11, loufaulkner, melvin, woundedgun, nonfant
12107 Registered Users
Who's Online
9 registered (wayne, paincave_2000, pledbetter, Poleaxe, Southpaw, ImThere, 1 invisible) and 61 anonymous users online.
Forum Stats
12107 Members
38 Forums
115853 Topics
1411108 Posts

Max Online: 756 @ 11/20/12 09:10 AM
Moon Phase
CURRENT MOON
May
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31
Forum Donations
The TnDeer.Com Deer Talk Forum is for Tennessee Deer Hunters by Tennessee Deer Hunters. If you enjoy using our Talk Forum and would like to contribute to help in it's up-keep. Just submit your contribution by clicking on the DONATE button below and paying with PayPal or a major credit card. Any amount is much appreciated. Thanks for your support!

TN Burn Safe

Generated in 0.03 seconds in which 0.014 seconds were spent on a total of 14 queries. Zlib compression enabled.