Haven you looked at the new Springfield Arms xdm. The 9mm has a 19 round magazine. Just sayin.

They shot the Pope 5 times with a 9mm - he lived - nuff said

Glock 20 10mm. Enough said....

That's a cool round, but has a lot of bark. -too much for most people. I heard that the FBI tried switching to the 10mm a few years ago, but the 3 shot grouping consistency suffered so much in training/tests that they reverted.

I carry a Glock 23 (.40s&w).

The 10mm is not that much more barky than the 40s&w and way more power. I even sold my 45's.

What grain do you carry for SD?

200 grain mostly. 180 sometimes.

200 grain, huh? Whew... what's the over penetration potential like?

Can't decide between the 9MM Glock 17 or 19? Any suggestions or pros & cons???

I've got both the Glock 17 and the 19. I shoot the 17 more accurately than the 19, but the 19 is a tad bit easier to carry. The 17 is about 3/4 an inch or so taller and longer than the 19. That's not a lot of difference, and my IWB holsters fit either gun.

I carry them for city defense, and I also have a couple of G23's that I sometimes carry. I'm not a 'caliber snob', as long as I have something that will put them down. My training is: shoot your assailant to the ground.

My fishing tacklebox gun is a Glock 21 (45acp) and I strap on a Glock 20 (10mm) when I hunt (or a S&W .44 mag revolver). Since shooting hogs is now illegal, I'll probably just carry the G20 from now on and leave the .44mag at home.

Don't let the Glock naysayers fool ya. There's a reason that 3/4 of the law-enforcement dept's either are carrying or have carried Glocks. And it wasn't because they bid the cheapest...

They shot the Pope 5 times with a 9mm - he lived - nuff said

Shooter not the gun , a 22 cal. will take you out with one well placed shot . I own a 9mm auto and a 357mag revolver both smith's and I would have rather still have my 32 revolver smith some stole if I was put in a postion to have to use it . But what each person is comfortable with is what you should get .

not easy to do under stress. that's why i want something bigger.

Get one that feels good in your hands and positions itself well. Confidence in your weapon to work every time you squeeze the trigger and in your way around that weapon are whats most important. If you go with a Glock make sure you check out the early and late generation weapons, the angle of the grip and the pull of the trigger are much better in the newer generations I think. Good luck finding one you like.

If that's the case, I might be considering Glocks again for my next purchase. I can't shoot the XD, M&P, or Glock because of the angle. Glocks especially are topheavy, and I have to readjust my draw every time because I draw it low.

As far as the caliber wars, I'm tired of them. 9mm is more than sufficient and has probably killed more people in the last 20 years than any other caliber, is the choice of many LEO agencies, as well as the military. (Though, it would be interesting to see what handgun caliber the military would choose of not mandated by NATO.) Just like deer hunting, a well placed .223 round can be more effective than a inaccurate .338 round.

Especially for carrying a polymer based, sub compact size handgun, it is difficult to control the recoil of a caliber larger than a 9mm for many shooters. I carry a compact size .40 (Glock 23) most of the time, but if I go subcompact, will carry a 9mm. I do have a .380 backup gun that I sometimes carry on my ankle or in my pocket (usually on road trips or out hunting in certain areas), though I almost never carry that as my primary weapon.

If you do choose to carry a larger caliber, your shot placement should be every bit as good as a 9mm, which means you should be/are/have been shooting on a regular basis. Being a hunting forum, I assume many on here are more competent with a handgun than the average armed citizen, however, don't let your ego be the determining factor in your caliber selection. Your selection should be based on the nature of the ballistics and your ability to handle the weapon. You should take into serious consideration your ability to handle that caliber with one hand, further consideration for your ability to handle that caliber with your off hand. These are the realities of carrying a handgun for self defense purposes.

I also hate it when a potential new gun owner with no experience and little consumer knowledge is shopping for a handgun and the caliber snobs start telling him or her that they need a gun with more stopping power than that inexperienced shooter will be able to effectively handle.

they ain't top heavy when you've got a full magazine. (at least not to my feel)

"caliber snobs"

I like it

wait till he asks about deer calibers, lol

wait till he asks about deer calibers, lol

"caliber snobs"

I like it