#2409123 - 06/03/11 08:18 PM
Re: Religious, Bible question?
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let us relate it to Gluttony: defined by Gluttony, derived from the Latin gluttire meaning to gulp down or swallow, means over-indulgence and over-consumption of food, drink, or intoxicants to the point of waste. In some Christian denominations, it is considered one of the seven deadly sins—a misplaced desire of food or its withholding from the needy. Wikipedia
Drinking is not a sin, but if you need a drink over being with your family, need a drink over buying food for your family, need a drink to function in life, need a drink over any and all things that are more important than anything in life, Oh then it is a sin.
In need a drink now, sorry I could not resist.
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#2409212 - 06/03/11 10:01 PM
Re: Religious, Bible question?
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No bashing here , I love you in Christ but to say that wine was not wine then I beg the differ .. Jesus' first miracal was indeed to turn water into wine .. read on down to the rest of the text were it says that you have saved the best wine for last not as custom to serve the worse wine last . Why serve the worse last ,cause they would already be intoxicated ! A scripture question I believe was asked not our personal conviction or opinion .  "I love you in Christ but since I disagree with you I will end my post with a smart alleck comment and wink." Typical of most "Christians". Amazing how short tempered God's children can get when you try to take their liquor away. Lmao.
Sorry my wink offended you but he wink was intended for staying on the original question because I though we were kinda hijacking the original thread . But I think you must have not read all of my post because I said that I don't drink nor do I promote it in any way . And for my assumption of the text I was speaking of then you would be right . Study to shew thyself approved of God , a workman needeth not be ashamed , rightly dividing the word of truth . And I will still say that are opinions and then there is scripture . I try to stay away from posts of this nature but I guess I just have read the bible just to much to allow people to say things that are just not scriptual ! I mean man this can go on and on , I sure am glad God will be the judge of me !! Wink
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#2409623 - 06/04/11 09:02 PM
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Proverbs says that wine is a mocker and strong drink causes delusion.Also in the new testament wine or any other strong drink was used for illness such as upset stomach and to numb the pain if you were dying.Jesus said we are not of this world if you are one of his.So what does the world do or how do they act?The reference to wine is a generic term.Wine also meant juice such as grape juice.The age old question,What would Jesus do?
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#2409630 - 06/04/11 09:11 PM
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Do any of you know the difference between Baptists and Presbyterians.....?
Presbyterians say hello to each other in the liquor store.
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#2409642 - 06/04/11 09:25 PM
Re: Religious, Bible question?
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Proverbs says that wine is a mocker and strong drink causes delusion.Also in the new testament wine or any other strong drink was used for illness such as upset stomach and to numb the pain if you were dying.Jesus said we are not of this world if you are one of his.So what does the world do or how do they act?The reference to wine is a generic term.Wine also meant juice such as grape juice.The age old question,What would Jesus do?
Jesus drank wine - Matthew 11:18-19, so in answer to the "age old question" Jesus did and so may I.
And yes, wine in Scripture was fermented or alcoholic - the Corinthians drank it in excess at the Lord's Supper and got drunk - I Corinthians 11:20-21. Welch's Grape juice never leads to drunkenness - self righteousness maybe, but not drunkenness.
God made wine to gladden the heart of man (he is not a kill-joy) - Psalm 104:14-15
It requires an awful twisting of Scripture to support tee-totalism. If that is your practice because of past abuse problems or conscience matters, fine. Just don't say God requires it.
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#2409649 - 06/04/11 09:41 PM
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God requires you not to do anything that ould make a brother stumble,,and if an alcholic has beaten his illnes and is trying to do right and see`s his fellow Christians drinking a beer he may be lead to believe it is ok,,and goes and gets him one,,after he drinks that one he cant control himself and gets 24 more,,winds up drunk,,commits adultry in the parkin lot at the bar and winds up wreckin on the way home killin a family of 4,
just remember,,when you are carrying the cross and claim to be right with God,,people will watch you and some will say he is a good church going person and if he can drink so can I,,but we all know that can lead to some bad stuff goin down,
no different in goin swimming at the lake,,you may not have any trouble controlling yourself with 50 beautiful women runnin around 95% nekkid,,but the guy with you that is happily married may not be able to stand the scenery and wind up in the bushes with one of those worldly women and loose his wife and family over it..
the bible does not prohibit you from doing a vast number of things,,but if it is gonna cause your brother to stumble,,you will be held accountable for those actions,,
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#2409651 - 06/04/11 09:43 PM
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Do any of you know the difference between Baptists and Presbyterians.....?
Presbyterians say hello to each other in the liquor store.
Funny that this was brought up. 
First Baptist Church in Athens was behind the biggest movement against liquor by the drink a few years ago. They were successful for a couple of years.
The funny part comes in when the organizers that where representing this church were their own Deacons, some of which I had personally saw at a private Country Club drinking liquor, while I was playing golf.
Makes the old saying come to life..."Don't do as I do, but do as I say."
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#2409915 - 06/05/11 12:56 PM
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Proverbs says that wine is a mocker and strong drink causes delusion.Also in the new testament wine or any other strong drink was used for illness such as upset stomach and to numb the pain if you were dying.Jesus said we are not of this world if you are one of his.So what does the world do or how do they act?The reference to wine is a generic term.Wine also meant juice such as grape juice.The age old question,What would Jesus do? Jesus drank wine - Matthew 11:18-19, so in answer to the "age old question" Jesus did and so may I. And yes, wine in Scripture was fermented or alcoholic - the Corinthians drank it in excess at the Lord's Supper and got drunk - I Corinthians 11:20-21. Welch's Grape juice never leads to drunkenness - self righteousness maybe, but not drunkenness. God made wine to gladden the heart of man (he is not a kill-joy) - Psalm 104:14-15 It requires an awful twisting of Scripture to support tee-totalism. If that is your practice because of past abuse problems or conscience matters, fine. Just don't say God requires it.
Not even close !!!
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#2409930 - 06/05/11 01:21 PM
Re: Religious, Bible question?
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1 Peter 5:6 - 9
6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time,7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.
8 Be sober, be vigilant; *because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
9 Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.
No conscience problems or past drinking problems, just an obedience to what the Bible says and means. ALL of it, not just specific words to try and justify something. As I stated in my first reply here, a lot more involved than just a person drinking or not.
It may not tell you not to drink, but it does tell you not to do things that drinking relates to and leads to.
No, Jesus was not a kill-joy, He PLEASES, SATISFIES, FULFILLS and CONSUMES me daily. He is my Heavenly Father, my Eternal Daddy who it is a total Joy to serve and have fun in doing so.
I'm going to leave this one now as there is only ONE who will ever convince some.
Great post mr. big !!
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#2409968 - 06/05/11 03:00 PM
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1 Peter 5:6 - 9
6 Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time,7 casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you.
8 Be sober, be vigilant; *because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
9 Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.
No conscience problems or past drinking problems, just an obedience to what the Bible says and means. ALL of it, not just specific words to try and justify something. As I stated in my first reply here, a lot more involved than just a person drinking or not.
It may not tell you not to drink, but it does tell you not to do things that drinking relates to and leads to.
No, Jesus was not a kill-joy, He PLEASES, SATISFIES, FULFILLS and CONSUMES me daily. He is my Heavenly Father, my Eternal Daddy who it is a total Joy to serve and have fun in doing so.
I'm going to leave this one now as there is only ONE who will ever convince some.
Great post mr. big !!
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