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#2408529 - 06/03/11 08:39 AM Re: Religious, Bible question? [Re: buckaroo]
jb3
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Every other friday I stop and pick up a couple bottles. I tell the guy what we'll be cooking, he has a few suggestions and it goes from there. The wife and I cook together, pour a glass while we're cooking and have something to snack on while doing so. We rarely ever go through an entire bottle.
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#2408533 - 06/03/11 08:48 AM Re: Religious, Bible question? [Re: VolDoug]
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Here are a few verses pertaining to drinking.

Leviticus:
10:8 And the LORD spake unto Aaron, saying,
10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:

Proverbs:
20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Titus:
2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

I Timothy:
3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

Just by these verses, I conclude that drinking isn't a sin, but being given to the drink, which is drunkeness, is where sin occurs. This is jmho on how I interpret the Word here. I don't see a drink of wine being a sin, just when it is consumed in enough quantity, causing one to become disoriented from their faculties, would I consider it a sin.

I have been delivered from this sin. I still have an urge for a beer every now and again, and sometimes I will have that beer, or part of one anyway, but the Lord has answered my prayers for deliverance from this sin I was once bound to, and I thank Him for it!
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#2408537 - 06/03/11 08:54 AM Re: Religious, Bible question? [Re: jb3]
archer19
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What I've seen is some have zero tolerance for alcohol but this is not what I read in scripture.
Anything in excess can be sin.
Gluttony is sin, yet we need to eat to sustain life.

What is the difference in gluttony to food as drunkenness to a drink?
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#2408567 - 06/03/11 09:38 AM Re: Religious, Bible question? [Re: archer19]
TAFKAP
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 Originally Posted By: archer19
Does the Bible say drinking alcohol is a sin or just the drunkenness of over indulgence?
Let's hear your thoughts.


Hmmm, Jesus broke bread & drank wine.

Other writers talk about drunkenness and over indulgence. Not once have I ever seen a passage of "THOU SHALT NOT IMBIBE".
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#2408570 - 06/03/11 09:43 AM Re: Religious, Bible question? [Re: archer19]
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 Originally Posted By: archer19
What I've seen is some have zero tolerance for alcohol but this is not what I read in scripture.
Anything in excess can be sin.
Gluttony is sin, yet we need to eat to sustain life.

What is the difference in gluttony to food as drunkenness to a drink?




Yep, imagine growing up as a Catholic, where Communion uses real wine. Then imagine your confusion in a Baptist Sunday school class with some idiot shouting at the teenage class before him, "IF YOU TAKE A SIP OF ALCOHOL, YOU DENY YOUR LORD JESUS ANDY YOU GO STRAIGHT TO HELL!!!!!"

I didn't have time to argue with that idiot. He was in a hurry to get to the all-you-can-eat catfish buffet.
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#2408656 - 06/03/11 11:54 AM Re: Religious, Bible question? [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
Here are a few verses pertaining to drinking.

Leviticus:
10:8 And the LORD spake unto Aaron, saying,
10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:

Proverbs:
20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Titus:
2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

I Timothy:
3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

Just by these verses, I conclude that drinking isn't a sin, but being given to the drink, which is drunkeness, is where sin occurs. This is jmho on how I interpret the Word here. I don't see a drink of wine being a sin, just when it is consumed in enough quantity, causing one to become disoriented from their faculties, would I consider it a sin.

I have been delivered from this sin. I still have an urge for a beer every now and again, and sometimes I will have that beer, or part of one anyway, but the Lord has answered my prayers for deliverance from this sin I was once bound to, and I thank Him for it!


MUP said it prolly best ! Man I always get into trouble when it comes to scriptual questions especially this type . Notice I said scriptual and not opinionated questions . I can agree with an opinion or disagree with an opinion but scripture being a christian I must take it as it is , amen . Believe the word of God . John 8 : 32 . And ye shall know the truth , and the truth shall make you free. My opinion would be to say it would be better if a person never took a drink of alcohol and I choose not to drink , don't drink but I don't believe it would be sin for me to drink not unto drunkenness .! Timothy 5 : 23 . Drink no longer water , but a little wine for thy stomach's sake and for thy often infirmities . Proverbs 31 : 6 . Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish , and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts . Galations 5 : 21 . Envyings,murders,drunkenness,reveling,and such like : of the which I tell you before , as I have told you before in time past , that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God . Drinking a little wine and strong drink for medicinal purposes to me is not wrong . If you drink a little wine with meals as some do ( I can't afford it )to me is not wrong . I will even go as far to say I don't think it would be wrong for some one to set down to a cold beer once in a while is not wrong but all these to me (opinion) could not be in excess . Drunkenness is scriptually wrong and therefore sin !! There are also convictions and there is scripture , difference being is that we have to take scripture as it is and convictions are indeed personal to each individual . If I am convicted of it being wrong for me to take even a drink of alcohol then it is wrong no matter what any body preaches or teaches .Christians be aware of the consequences of that taking a drink ,it could damage you testimony and being able to witness to lost souls because if they knew you drink then they would indeed judge you , the devil is cunning ! When people drink are they aware of what message they are sending their children ? When children are reaching maturity they tend to adopt some of our traits , do you want your child taking your bad habits ? Ask yourself these questions . But back to the original question scriptually speaking it is not wrong for you to drink if it is not excessive to the point where you are not yourself or it changes your personally not just drunk !


Edited by Snake (06/03/11 11:57 AM)
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#2408712 - 06/03/11 12:45 PM Re: Religious, Bible question? [Re: VolDoug]
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Here's my $0.02:

At what point do you cross from sober to buzzed to drunk? Let's face it, if you drink alcohol you are drinking it to feel the effects. Otherwise you would drink tea.

If you are trying to live as a Christian for Christ, and you have to try to justify something so you can do it, you probably shouldn't do it.

Christians are called to be different. There is not a doubt in my mind it ruins your witness. If you are having a drink with me on Saturday, don't try to lead me to Christ on Sunday.

I will never believe Jesus served alcohol, and if you take the scripture back to the original language there are different words for wine (fruit juice) and wine (alchoholic), but some folks want to convince themselves that Jesus was the first bartender to justify their drinking.

I drink beer. I am not living what I just posted. But I am also not deluding myself that I am living for Christ while doing what the world does. When I decide to live for Christ, I will not live like the unsaved. In my mind, you can't do both.

Bash away! \:\)

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#2408744 - 06/03/11 12:57 PM Re: Religious, Bible question? [Re: Swamphunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Swamphunter
Here's my $0.02:

At what point do you cross from sober to buzzed to drunk? Let's face it, if you drink alcohol you are drinking it to feel the effects. Otherwise you would drink tea.

If you are trying to live as a Christian for Christ, and you have to try to justify something so you can do it, you probably shouldn't do it.

Christians are called to be different. There is not a doubt in my mind it ruins your witness. If you are having a drink with me on Saturday, don't try to lead me to Christ on Sunday.

I will never believe Jesus served alcohol, and if you take the scripture back to the original language there are different words for wine (fruit juice) and wine (alchoholic), but some folks want to convince themselves that Jesus was the first bartender to justify their drinking.

I drink beer. I am not living what I just posted. But I am also not deluding myself that I am living for Christ while doing what the world does. When I decide to live for Christ, I will not live like the unsaved. In my mind, you can't do both.

Bash away! \:\)


No bashing here , I love you in Christ but to say that wine was not wine then I beg the differ .. Jesus' first miracal was indeed to turn water into wine .. read on down to the rest of the text were it says that you have saved the best wine for last not as custom to serve the worse wine last . Why serve the worse last ,cause they would already be intoxicated ! A scripture question I believe was asked not our personal conviction or opinion . ;\)


Edited by Snake (06/03/11 12:58 PM)
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#2408758 - 06/03/11 01:07 PM Re: Religious, Bible question? [Re: Snake]
archer19
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The scripture to me reads wine is wine is wine. But this is a translation from another language.
Not questioning the word of God, but Latin, Greek and Hebrew is not English.

Keep it coming.
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#2408766 - 06/03/11 01:11 PM Re: Religious, Bible question? [Re: archer19]
Swamphunter
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Snake, you are drawing conclusions and making assumptions. The scriptures don't say why the best was saved for last.
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